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Can LSD be absorbed through your skin?
    #21772389 - 06/06/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Another user has decided to voice his opinion and say he has a world class scientist that makes lsd said that it cant be absorbed through skin.

Sources appreciated.

It happened to me and this guy believes Im a bullshitter.

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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772393 - 06/06/15 11:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772399 - 06/06/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Id like to reference a documentary called drugs inc the "psychedelics" episode . A swat member absorbed over 1000 hits through his skin.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772403 - 06/06/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Im sure if you had majorly sweaty hands, and a lot of liquid or crystal(if blotter were dripping wet from it too) you could. But not in any conventional sense. Like if your ripping tabs for friends no you won't.

I had a dealer once who was wearing gloves while he cut hits off with scissors. A bit excessive if you ask me. Well maybe not, now that i remember he was nboming ppl, in which case it doesn't surprise me he took every precaution possible.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772406 - 06/06/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Id like to reference a documentary called drugs inc the "psychedelics" episode . A swat member absorbed over 1000 hits through his skin.




Or you know... the guy who synthesized the stuff in the first place is the only documented example worth mentioning...


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772407 - 06/06/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your skin is an organ… If you're dealing with a chemical capable of being absorbed by the human body, the skin can absorb it. The rate of absorption will be significantly smaller for your epidermis then say your tongue or better yet your eye; it could even be a rate of .0001% but on some level there is absorption.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772414 - 06/06/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Id like to reference a documentary called drugs inc the "psychedelics" episode . A swat member absorbed over 1000 hits through his skin.



Pretty sure he said he knicked his neck while shaving and his suit got a tear in it. Doesn't really change the fact though yes it can be absorbed through skin.

On 1000 ways to die they said some guy soaked a t shirt in acid to smuggle it through an airport. He got sweaty and nervous halfway through and started frying, and had seizures or a heart attack and died. The show made it out like the acid killed him. I'm sure maybe the acid didn't help if he had any health issues, i highly doubt the acid outright killed him but idk. Sometimes weird shit happens, even with relatively safe drugs.:shrug:


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7] * 2
    #21772417 - 06/06/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

From Dr. David Nichols

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At Mindstates IV, Dr David Nichols, chemist and pharmacologist, professor of medicinal chemistry and molecular pharmacology at Purdue University, proposed a novel alternate reading of Albert Hofmann's famous 1943 "Bicycle Day" and a brief overview of his research.




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Another fact: I've made LSD in my lab on many occasions for research purposes, possibly in not so meticulous a manner as Albert Hofmann. Nothing ever happened. I had several graduate students who made LSD as an intermediate for projects. No accidental ingestion of LSD ever occurred. A technician in my lab makes it routinely because we use it as a drug to train our rats. He's learned by experience that he never gets high, nothing ever happens. And yesterday I was talking to Nick Sand, and Nick said, "I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" -- DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened! How did this very meticulous Swiss chemist get the LSD into his body? I don't know.




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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21772425 - 06/06/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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djmako7 said:
Id like to reference a documentary called drugs inc the "psychedelics" episode . A swat member absorbed over 1000 hits through his skin.



Pretty sure he said he knicked his neck while shaving and his suit got a tear in it. Doesn't really change the fact though yes it can be absorbed through skin.

On 1000 ways to die they said some guy soaked a t shirt in acid to smuggle it through an airport. He got sweaty and nervous halfway through and started frying, and had seizures or a heart attack and died. The show made it out like the acid killed him. I'm sure maybe the acid didn't help if he had any health issues, i highly doubt the acid outright killed him but idk. Sometimes weird shit happens, even with relatively safe drugs.:shrug:




The stories on that show are made up...do people not know this?


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: I_was_the_walrus] * 1
    #21772427 - 06/06/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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From Dr. David Nichols

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At Mindstates IV, Dr David Nichols, chemist and pharmacologist, professor of medicinal chemistry and molecular pharmacology at Purdue University, proposed a novel alternate reading of Albert Hofmann's famous 1943 "Bicycle Day" and a brief overview of his research.




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Another fact: I've made LSD in my lab on many occasions for research purposes, possibly in not so meticulous a manner as Albert Hofmann. Nothing ever happened. I had several graduate students who made LSD as an intermediate for projects. No accidental ingestion of LSD ever occurred. A technician in my lab makes it routinely because we use it as a drug to train our rats. He's learned by experience that he never gets high, nothing ever happens. And yesterday I was talking to Nick Sand, and Nick said, "I made a solution of LSD in DMSO…" -- DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) is a chemical that greatly enhances absorption of other chemicals through the skin -- he says, "…I painted it on my skin. Nothing happened." A concentrated solution and nothing happened! How did this very meticulous Swiss chemist get the LSD into his body? I don't know.




https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindstates4_nichols.shtml



Maybe the chemist who painted himself with acid fried so hard he doesn't even realize it.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21772439 - 06/06/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lol...

Fentanyl can be absorbed under the skin and it's less active than LSD

they make fentanyl patches (morphine patches) for the elderly and cancer patients

so of course LSD can I believe, if you're unlucky enough

underarms, armpits, places where there is thin skin or cuts are most vulnerable

LSD can be taken in any place in the body it seems, also in the eyeball

add the effect of sweating too - the body changing pore size of the skin likely/opening up the skin a bit, makes it even more likely probably


There's a reason why chemists wear gloves when making LSD, and why the cops wear gloves when busting LSD labs I believe, but not 100 sure

Nbome can definitely be absorbed through skin or airways - you can die if you breathe in Nbome dust from a sheet from china.. (i..e just by opening the letter!)


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772442 - 06/06/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I had liquid. It wasnt a tab. Back in the day they came in vile form so you could drop it on your own paper or sugar cubes. It was $100 a sheet or less for a vile.

Im pretty sure it absorbed. in my skin. I only took 4 hits that night and the rest was broken in my shoe (I was sockless)


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772450 - 06/06/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Like you would be able to tell the difference between 4 hits and 12 hits...

I don't think I would be able... 4 hits messes me up, there's no I to discern anymore

4 or 12 hits , no difference for me usually - maybe slightly more visuals sometimes


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: lessismore]
    #21772456 - 06/06/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Like you would be able to tell the difference between 4 hits and 12 hits...

I don't think I would be able... 4 hits messes me up, there's no I to discern anymore

4 or 12 hits , no difference for me usually - maybe slightly more visuals sometimes




4 hits or 90? Think about that possibility for a second.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772464 - 06/06/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Like you would be able to tell the difference between 4 hits and 12 hits...

I don't think I would be able... 4 hits messes me up, there's no I to discern anymore

4 or 12 hits , no difference for me usually - maybe slightly more visuals sometimes




4 hits or 90? Think about that possibility for a second.




Well, there seems to be longer duration to really high doses

I once tried 16-18 hits in a night or so, lasted a real long time - dont think I was back for a few weeks fully
and the visuals were more pronounced in a way, than a normal high dose

More teleporting .. :-)


But you usually get to a point where more dose doesnt do more it seems, and I am not sure where that dose is precisely
I have had 10hits + and be able to walk around fine, and tried 1 hit and not been in reality for 8-10 hours at all... couldn't even walk or talk

LSD is very random in effects, you are not guaranteed higher trip with higher dose always
i.e. 7 hits may not be stronger than 3, 3 may be much stronger sometimes

But with really high doses it might be, who knows, you're still here :-)


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772467 - 06/06/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Chemists wear gloves for so many reasons other than trying to not absorb lsd in their skin and getting high.

For one they work with really dangerous chems such as ergot. Also for cleanliness of their product. Also basic lab protocol.

There is a link that shows quotes from someone who regularly makes lsd, multiple people in fact. And all said they don't get high from it. Nick sand used a chemical that makes absorbing drugs through the skin easier and still couldn't get high even when he lathered up like it was sunscreen.

1000 ways to die is fake and drugs inc is propaganda.

Different drugs have different bioavailability, so yes fentanyl can absorb. But can you get drunk from sitting in a pool of alcohol? You can swallow LSD and get high but if you swallow n-bome you will not.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21772480 - 06/06/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can swallow LSD and get high but if you swallow n-bome you will not.





This is a myth. I personally tried nBome for the first time a few weeks ago after being told it was acid. I kept it on my tongue for probably a minute or so and then swallowed it. I was fucked up but not like LSD does. It was different. Dirty and gross. Ive heard it only metabolizes in your system sublingual. But there is not enough information on this drug to say so. Its dirty and can kill people. 25i needs more time out in the open and for people to study it before it can be for sure.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772605 - 06/07/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

to be hoffman when he did that...  We won't ever really know how much he absorbed, but tripping, without knowing it's good, bad, anything at all.  All he knew is that he was experiencing something that was not normal.    A priceless experience.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: meowshroom]
    #21772650 - 06/07/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

To answer the question. Yes, yes it can.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: meowshroom]
    #21772659 - 06/07/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've been looking around online and haven't seen anything stating its false. I mean sure they exaggerate stuff and change names for entertainment, but the basis of the stories are real is what I'd assume. Like maybe the guy didn't look like a total dirty ass hippy, and start swinging fists at dragons and midgets. But i figured some dude, trying to smuggle acid on a plane, accidentally absorbed it through his and died on the plane while he was tripping due to some health condition. I never once thought the acid caused it(can't see it helping either though),but is that really such an unbelievable scenario?


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21773583 - 06/07/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Id like to reference a documentary called drugs inc the "psychedelics" episode . A swat member absorbed over 1000 hits through his skin.




Here is the National Geographic documentary you are referencing (I don't think you can link to the video from here, but this documentary can be found online):

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/drugs-inc/episodes/hallucinogens/

The guy who overdosed on LSD was a part of a drug squad who raided a large LSD lab near San Franciso, CA. He shaved his beard shortly before the raid with a straight razor, which caused some small nicks and scrapes on his skin. During the raid, which he said involved gallons of liquid LSD, he touched his face a couple of times. The LSD apparently absorbed through his broken skin. He said he first suspected something was wrong when the music the agents were playing in the background during the raid (they wanted to listen to music while they worked) sounded incredible. Shortly thereafter, the agent started frying balls, and a team member took him to the ER.

Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: jgotti]
    #21773851 - 06/07/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would honestly trust the word of multiple CHEMISTS that work with and have made LSD over some federal agent on a sensationalized television show.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21773867 - 06/07/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can swallow LSD and get high but if you swallow n-bome you will not.





This is a myth. I personally tried nBome for the first time a few weeks ago after being told it was acid. I kept it on my tongue for probably a minute or so and then swallowed it.




You didn't swallow it right away. You kept in in your mouth for 'probably a minute'. Enough time for some to absorb sublingually.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21773893 - 06/07/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly. I've gotten a bunch of potent liquid on my skin, and it did nothing. If it comes into contact with a mucus membrane or a cut it will find it's way in though.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: jgotti]
    #21773906 - 06/07/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The guy who overdosed on LSD was a part of a drug squad who raided a large LSD lab near San Franciso, CA. He shaved his beard shortly before the raid with a straight razor, which caused some small nicks and scrapes on his skin. During the raid, which he said involved gallons of liquid LSD, he touched his face a couple of times. The LSD apparently absorbed through his broken skin. He said he first suspected something was wrong when the music the agents were playing in the background during the raid (they wanted to listen to music while they worked) sounded incredible. Shortly thereafter, the agent started frying balls, and a team member took him to the ER.

Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.




They may have stirred particles up into the air too.  Allowing absorption through the eyes.  Or he could just be full of shit.  Have you seen the gear they wear to take down meth labs?

Also no, LSD can not be absorbed through the skin.  Panic can do crazy things to you, especially when you're already high.  Sorry OP, unless you had some horrible foot fungus or other massive skin irritation you did not trip on 90 hits of acid that night.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21773945 - 06/07/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, whitelights' post is solid: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662

I guess it depends on an individual's biochemistry.

chinacat72 has also claimed he absorbed LSD through his skin: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1335338#1335338


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    #21773991 - 06/07/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No, whitelights' post is solid: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662




I find openmind's post in that same thread to be a lot more informative and credible.  David Nichols vs. random guy on the internet :shrug:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613979#21613979

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chinacat72 has also claimed he absorbed LSD through his skin: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1335338#1335338




I've read a number of chinacat's posts.  There's a lot of holes in his stories and I tend to believe they're just that, stories.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21774067 - 06/07/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No, whitelights' post is solid: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662




I find openmind's post in that same thread to be a lot more informative and credible.  David Nichols vs. random guy on the internet :shrug:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613979#21613979





idk. That explanation seems like it has less probability than LSD being absorbed by the skin. I mean, what are the chances that Hoffman had a spontaneous mystical experience at the same time he was synthesizing LSD. Only to find a few days later that he discovered this wonderful compound which produces mystical experiences. That explanation sounds too far fetched to me.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21774102 - 06/07/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

David Nichols just references Nick Sand's attempt at using LSD transdermally. whitelights gave three examples, two of which only resulted in a numbness-type sensation at the area of the body that the LSD touched and to elaborate he said it was a numbness that can also be experienced when on LSD.* whitelights indicated that the one time someone actually tripped from transdermal use was when LSD concentrate (a large amount) was spilled on a female friend. So I fail to see how Nick Sand's experience stands in opposition to whitelights' post. No dose is given for the Sand self-experiment, but from a debate standpoint it's reasonable to assume that Sand's dose was not an extremely large dose such as the one whitelights reported to produce full effects, and therefore sand's account is simply not directly in opposition to whitelights' post. Nichol's lecture is not "more informative and more credible." Nichols briefly mentions Sand's report of 'nothing happened' and the vast majority of the lecture was spent on Nichol's mystical experience hypothesis.

whitelights is specifically claiming a very large dose is neede.d You can't just throw out that fact and say 'yeah well, Nick Sand said he tried it (dose not specificed and probably not a large one) and he wouldn't lie.'



*Listen to what the guy says here for corroboration about such somatic sensations:




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idk. That explanation seems like it has less probability than LSD being absorbed by the skin. I mean, what are the chances that Hoffman had a spontaneous mystical experience at the same time he was synthesizing LSD. Only to find a few days later that he discovered this wonderful compound which produces mystical experiences. That explanation sounds too far fetched to me.




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    #21774178 - 06/07/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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David Nichols just references Nick Sand's attempt at using LSD transdermally.





He also talks about his own anecdotal experiences as a chemist.  How no one in his lab has ever accidently tripped.

Couple this with the duration of Hoffman's experience and the fact that the transdermal trip has never been reproduced in a lab.

Sorry, no.  I don't take anecdotal evidence off the internet without any scientific data to back it up.  Placebo is far too powerful of an effect. 

I don't know what happened in Hoffman's case.  Perhaps he got a particle in his eye or had a small cut.  Perhaps he did have a mystical experience.  But if he absorbed LSD through his skin it would be a verifiable method of administration and we wouldn't be having this debate 70 years later.

It's a myth, the stuff of legend.  Legends are hard to kill.  I'll stop arguing and you guys can believe the legend if you want.  It certainly makes for a better story.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21774220 - 06/07/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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...I don't take anecdotal evidence off the internet without any scientific data to back it up...




That's the thing. Nick Sands only mentions subjective experience. It is not quantitative. He doesn't give any scientific data, just his subjective experience. So, I don't qualify that as scientific proof.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21774325 - 06/07/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I find this statement to be really unintelligent

"The transdermal trip has never been reproduced in a lab."

because research on LSD was pretty much obliterated, so there are many, many LSD experiments that have never been done, let alone a transdermal absorption test.

You just wanted to use the phrase 'never been reproduced in a lab' to sound authoritative.


And what relevance do Nichols' and his lab assistants' LSD synthesis experiences have to do with anything. Those things are irrelevant to whitelights' position that a very large amount is needed to produce a trip via transdermal absorption.

And I agree, the Hofmann 2 hr. thing is a little funny, but then again, LSD is a very varied substance. Hofmann also indicated that he got psychedelic effects from the natural ergot alkaloid, ergonovine, whereas when it was later trialed by several people on and reported in The Journal of Psychoactive Drugs,* the individuals reported that they needed about 3 times the amt. Hofmann used to get the same effects. Perhaps Hofmann was very sensitive to psychedelics and this sensitivity translated to a capacity to have a uniquely low dose experience where he only felt the peak, which of course only lasts several hours. Of course this doesn't line up with whitelights' claim that only a large transdermal dose would produce psychedelic effects. Confusing...

And my hypothesis about Hofmann stated above is a good one considering the childhood mystical experiences that Nichol's talks about. perhaps, on a similar wavelength to these mystical experiences, Hofmann's mind was able to go much deeper on even a very tiny dose of LSD, thus resulting in a a very unique low dose experience when he accidentally dosed himself.


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    #21774544 - 06/07/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And all the posters that swear by transdermal absorption are only subjective experiences. I've done it accidentally; ~ half a vial of potent liquid spilled on me, and nothing happened. I was already high, and there wasn't the slightest increase in effects. The mind is a powerful thing. Placebo effect is a real phenomena. I used to get a slight buzz & increase in energy whenever I handled LSD, and I always used gloves when working with blotter & geltabs so I didn't transfer oils from my skin to the medium. There's no way that any LSD even came into contact with my skin on those occasions. Yet I had that buzzy feeling. Why? Because I knew I was holding an incredibly powerful mind-altering substance; one that has had a profound impact on history & humanity in my hands, and my mind created this tangible feeling. It really befuddles me that folks here whom should be well aware of the power of the human mind completely ignore it when it comes to matters like this. I see the same thing with folks that swear they can feel the different crystals in the experience. I used to be one of those people btw. It's all in the head, and not in the science.

I'll go with Dr. Nichols & Mr. Sand over internet anecdotes any day. On top of that, my own personal experience is in line with that. As far as the probability of Hofmann having a spontaneous mystical experience at the same time as synthing LSD goes, it wouldn't even be the first time that he had such an experience. He'd had them before. So in reality, the probability is high.  Not to mention that the effects/timeframe doesn't line up with LSD...even a low dose.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21774573 - 06/07/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The mind is a powerful thing. Placebo effect is a real phenomena. I used to get a slight buzz & increase in energy whenever I handled LSD, and I always used gloves when working with blotter & geltabs so I didn't transfer oils from my skin to the medium. There's no way that any LSD even came into contact with my skin on those occasions. Yet I had that buzzy feeling. Why? Because I knew I was holding an incredibly powerful mind-altering substance




Dude, whitelights said his frigging leg went numb. And he wasn't even aware that his acid was getting soaked and touching him. So, the placebo effect is not a valid factor in regard to that report.


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I'll go with Dr. Nichols & Mr. Sand over internet anecdotes any day.




As I already said, Nichols and Sand do not address large doses, which is what whitelights said was required to trip, based on his experience.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21774589 - 06/07/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Alcohol on the skin can result in numbness. Liquid on the skin in general can cause strange feelings. Besides, memory is a strange beast, and can be altered. It's well in the realm of the possibility that his mind exaggerated the feeling of wetness once he figured out what had spilled. And Nick Sand did address high doses.


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    #21775047 - 06/07/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You are right, that both sides of the argument are based on anecdotal evidence. I just find it hard to believe that Hoffman coincidentally discovered the drug by accident after his skin was exposed. I do agree that the mind is powerful and the placebo effect is very real. But, how could Hoffman's first experience be placebo, because he was unaware of LSD's effects at that time? I don't know if it is active transdermally or not, as I don't have my own subjective experience. But, it is true that many other drugs are active transdermally.


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    #21775205 - 06/07/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In Hofmann's case it wasn't placebo. Remember that he had spontaneous mystical experiences in the past. Far more likely that this what happened on that fateful day.


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    #21775728 - 06/07/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe I was dosed unintentionally by soaking some liquid probably through my hand that was dropped onto a counter while being dropped onto candies. I made a thread about it.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: flowersprout]
    #21775824 - 06/07/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So, I have had an experience.

No bullshit stories or made up.

Somebody I know and was tripping with at the time had a full vial of LSD in their pocket.  We took 2 drops each and were doing fine.

2 hours in, he noticed his pocket was wet.  Apparently, he noticed it hours earlier but never honored the thought.  The equivalent of 40-50 drops were pressing against his skin for hours and he said it felt like a normal 2 drop trip..  Did not trip more at all.

Now, 50 drops is nothing to shy at.. You might need to just be exposed to high quantities of pure or crystallized..

I am not denying it can be absorbed through the skin.. This was just my personal experience.


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    #21777109 - 06/08/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The area of the body where a pocket is located when a person has pants on is one of the fattiest areas on the body. Contrast that with behind the ears, which is skin directly against bone, which is said to be one of the best places on the body for transdermal absorption. What I'm saying is I think where the LSD lands on your skin can have a huge impact on its ability to absorb.


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    #21777147 - 06/08/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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As I already said, Nichols and Sand do not address large doses, which is what whitelights said was required to trip, based on his experience.




What part of "A concentrated solution" is giving you a hard time here?


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Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.




So much wrong with what you just said. 1000 hits is a number simply made up. No one can estimate that. It's also a cop who wants a lifetime of disability paid for by you, the taxpayer. And he got it because no one can prove he's wrong. Also he was not given Valium, you got that wrong, I watched it and his own words words said they gave him nothing. Also LSD cant last 24 hours (regardless of amount) nor does it give you a seizure.


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I've been looking around online and haven't seen anything stating its false. I mean sure they exaggerate stuff and change names for entertainment, but the basis of the stories are real is what I'd assume. Like maybe the guy didn't look like a total dirty ass hippy, and start swinging fists at dragons and midgets. But i figured some dude, trying to smuggle acid on a plane, accidentally absorbed it through his and died on the plane while he was tripping due to some health condition. I never once thought the acid caused it(can't see it helping either though),but is that really such an unbelievable scenario?




So you need help here is that it? I can't believe you are referring to an urban legend as your fucking source.
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    #21777160 - 06/08/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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As I already said, Nichols and Sand do not address large doses, which is what whitelights said was required to trip, based on his experience.




What part of "A concentrated solution" is giving you a hard time here?




I don't know what you're asking.


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    #21777296 - 06/08/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A concentrated solution means a high dose.


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    #21777326 - 06/08/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why are you telling me that? I already knew that and why are we focusing on this phrase "a concentrated solution"? my3rdeye said "What part of 'A concentrated solution' is giving you a hard time here?" What is he asking me with this non-descriptive question?


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21777365 - 06/08/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Adn just to re-state my position, whitelights states that based on his personal expereince, if enough LSD sits on the skin it can get into the bloodstream.

now when lsd hits or touches your skin, you should be able to feel it, on your skin. if you dont take much lsd, say a couple hundred mics upwards of a milligram or two and put it on your skin, you will feel it on your skin, right where you put it. you should feel that painfully good numb senstion your skin has while tripping, but thats the only effect.

if you do put enough on your skin, it will break through and make it into the bloodstream and then youll actually trip.


Source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662


Nichols simply doesn't present anything that argues against this position. Nichols references Sand's self-experiment wherein Sand coated his skin with a solution of LSD. The dose is not stated, but it's clearly an average dose as it would have been stated if the amount was particularly large. Nichols also references the fact that he and his students have made LSD in the lab; Nichols states that no one has ever gotten any effects. He states this to argue that Albert Hofmann did not accidentally self-administer LSD when synthesizing a small amount at Sandoz in 1942. Nichols' reference of his and his students' synthesizing LSD conveys a possibility of being exposed to a minute amount because his very argument is arguing against Hofmann's claim that a minute amount got on him thusly producing a lite trip, and Nichols' argument is that even if a minute amount does touch a chemist's skin, it won't work. OK, so Nichols is only dealing with small amounts with his argument. whitelights, by contrast, is talking about very large amounts of LSD. He speaks of a sheet getting wet and pressing against his skin in its water-laden state,a nd he states that even that wasn't enough to make him trip, but he states that it made his whole leg numb, to where it felt dead. He also speaks of LSD concentrate that was going to be used for laying blotter spilling on a female friend. Clearly whitelights is in different territory than David Nichols. So I'm arguing: how are you using Nichols to support the idea that LSD does not absorb through the skin, when the examples Nichols gives are completely mundane compared to whitelights' experiences.

And in addition to chinacat72's report that he has absorbed LSD transderamlly (a very large amount of powdered crystal), another person who claims such is the notable Joanna Harcourt-Smith, one of Timothy Leary's ex-wives: http://realitysandwich.com/18952/secret_sacred_use_belly_button/


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21777934 - 06/08/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Adn just to re-state my position, whitelights states that based on his personal expereince, if enough LSD sits on the skin it can get into the bloodstream.

now when lsd hits or touches your skin, you should be able to feel it, on your skin. if you dont take much lsd, say a couple hundred mics upwards of a milligram or two and put it on your skin, you will feel it on your skin, right where you put it. you should feel that painfully good numb senstion your skin has while tripping, but thats the only effect.

if you do put enough on your skin, it will break through and make it into the bloodstream and then youll actually trip.


Source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662


Nichols simply doesn't present anything that argues against this position. Nichols references Sand's self-experiment wherein Sand coated his skin with a solution of LSD. The dose is not stated, but it's clearly an average dose as it would have been stated if the amount was particularly large. Nichols also references the fact that he and his students have made LSD in the lab; Nichols states that no one has ever gotten any effects. He states this to argue that Albert Hofmann did not accidentally self-administer LSD when synthesizing a small amount at Sandoz in 1942. Nichols' reference of his and his students' synthesizing LSD conveys a possibility of being exposed to a minute amount because his very argument is arguing against Hofmann's claim that a minute amount got on him thusly producing a lite trip, and Nichols' argument is that even if a minute amount does touch a chemist's skin, it won't work. OK, so Nichols is only dealing with small amounts with his argument. whitelights, by contrast, is talking about very large amounts of LSD. He speaks of a sheet getting wet and pressing against his skin in its water-laden state,a nd he states that even that wasn't enough to make him trip, but he states that it made his whole leg numb, to where it felt dead. He also speaks of LSD concentrate that was going to be used for laying blotter spilling on a female friend. Clearly whitelights is in different territory than David Nichols. So I'm arguing: how are you using Nichols to support the idea that LSD does not absorb through the skin, when the examples Nichols gives are completely mundane compared to whitelights' experiences.

And in addition to chinacat72's report that he has absorbed LSD transderamlly (a very large amount of powdered crystal), another person who claims such is the notable Joanna Harcourt-Smith, one of Timothy Leary's ex-wives: http://realitysandwich.com/18952/secret_sacred_use_belly_button/




I agree with your statement.  Where it lands and how pure matters.

It was touching his skin for over an hour with no effect..


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    #21778121 - 06/08/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A friend was telling me about this kid at his school, they were bringing dogs around the school and he was in gym. He goes to his bag takes out a 30 sheet of acid and puts it inside his elite socks up against his shin. They were jogging during gym class and it absorbed through his skin. He tripped for 3 days and his mom had to feed him


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    #21779002 - 06/08/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A friend was telling me about this kid at his school, they were bringing dogs around the school and he was in gym. He goes to his bag takes out a 30 sheet of acid and puts it inside his elite socks up against his shin. They were jogging during gym class and it absorbed through his skin. He tripped for 3 days and his mom had to feed him



O my god. Im guessing he just wore the same pair of socks and couldn't even speak, and lile nobody but him knew about the acid being there so it just soaked in over the course of three days. Even if it didn't happen, that story and the image it gives me is fucking gold.


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    #21779687 - 06/08/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can't trip for three days in a row just cause you ingest a bunch of acid. Even the biggest doses only last 8-16 hours depending on what you consider a trip.

All these anecdotes about people absorbing acid are just myths or urban legends.

Just because some drugs absorb through the skin does not mean all drugs do. The same way, some drugs can be smoked, but doesn't mean all drugs can.


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    #21779777 - 06/08/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can't trip for three days in a row just cause you ingest a bunch of acid. Even the biggest doses only last 8-16 hours depending on what you consider a trip.

All these anecdotes about people absorbing acid are just myths or urban legends.

Just because some drugs absorb through the skin does not mean all drugs do. The same way, some drugs can be smoked, but doesn't mean all drugs can.




Hes right.. It was likely another substance, not LSD.  Which we have no way of finding out how much or fast it absorbs.

I had the same thought but I am just so sick of arguing on here with people -_-


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    #21779793 - 06/08/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You said that that Sand didn't do a high dose in the experiment, when in reality he did. That's our point. Furthermore I've had over 5 milligrams of extremely pure LSD on my skin, and it didn't get me high, nor did it make my skin numb. My skin tingled from the ethanol it was dissolved in, and that tingling stopped as soon as it evaporated. I should've licked it up.


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    #21779870 - 06/08/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have had lsd get on a scab i had on my hand from burning myself taking dabs and I tripped pretty damn hard. I never dosed liquid on my hand or wrist like some people claim to do tho, I don't have enough liquid for experiments like that :shrug:


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A friend was telling me about this kid at his school, they were bringing dogs around the school and he was in gym. He goes to his bag takes out a 30 sheet of acid and puts it inside his elite socks up against his shin. They were jogging during gym class and it absorbed through his skin. He tripped for 3 days and his mom had to feed him



O my god. Im guessing he just wore the same pair of socks and couldn't even speak, and lile nobody but him knew about the acid being there so it just soaked in over the course of three days. Even if it didn't happen, that story and the image it gives me is fucking gold.



According to the person that told me this, he started tripping really hard when school ended and had to be driven home by a friend, so everyone did know he was tripping, the sheet didn't stay in his sock


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Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.




So much wrong with what you just said. .




Actually, you are wrong, and you are a liar to boot. Read on.

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1000 hits is a number simply made up. No one can estimate that.






The documentary does not say how that value was computed. However, it wouldn't be too hard to estimate. As per a standard toxicology report (which they certainly would have done if he died), a blood test would tell you the concentration of the drug in the blood. From there, based on published pharmacological data for LSD, you could extrapolate the dose. I have no clue if that's what they did in this case, but it's possible. Or they could have pulled the number out of their ass. Either way, it appears the guy was exposed to an extremely large dose.

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It's also a cop who wants a lifetime of disability paid for by you, the taxpayer.





He's not on disability - he's still working the beat.

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Also he was not given Valium, you got that wrong,






No, I got it right. It is clear you never watched the documentary. What a donkey. The guy was given intravenous valium. Here's a link to the documentary. Go to the 15:30 mark:



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I watched it and his own words words said they gave him nothing.





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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21780130 - 06/08/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't see that you can definitively rule it out as impossible on atleast some areas of skin because when you sublingually administer the dose it's crossing a mucous membrane, and very closely transferring to you blood vessels. If someone were to be sweating their pores open and close, allowing in the LSD. While exercising, blood is being routed to your skeletal muscles and outer skin and less is being pumped to your smooth muscle in your digestive tract. Your blood vessels come closer to the skin, the LSD is transferred for outside your body, to pores and then possibly into your blood stream


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21780136 - 06/08/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That person is full of shit. Not only with the transdermal thing, but the 3 days. Many friends of mine have eaten a 100+ hits of L on multiple occasions, and weren't spun for days. I've eaten ~30 of the same myself, same thing. If anything, the kid had a manic episode or psychotic break...which is in the realm of possibility. That's what the drawn out after effects of thumbprints are; mania. I've seen it happen off much less, though those examples are rarities. None of those folks were 100% ok after 3 days either. Took months to overcome it


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21780145 - 06/08/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's not exactly how it works. The skin is far more complex than that. It's a selective semi-permeable membrane designed to keep fluid in, and foreign objects out. Sure some drugs can be absorbed transdermally, but not all....not most in fact.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21780289 - 06/08/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see that you can definitively rule it out as impossible on atleast some areas of skin because when you sublingually administer the dose it's crossing a mucous membrane, and very closely transferring to you blood vessels. If someone were to be sweating their pores open and close, allowing in the LSD. While exercising, blood is being routed to your skeletal muscles and outer skin and less is being pumped to your smooth muscle in your digestive tract. Your blood vessels come closer to the skin, the LSD is transferred for outside your body, to pores and then possibly into your blood stream



Go sit in a kiddie pool full of liquor and see if you get drunk without drinking it.


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    #21780913 - 06/08/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The real question on everyones mind is can you plug lsd and trip, and can girls put acid in their vaginas and trip? I'd assume girls could, since I've heard they can put coke there to get high. (I know nothing of coke, if im wrong well:shrug:


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21781032 - 06/08/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Go sit in a kiddie pool full of liquor and see if you get drunk without drinking it.



You have just opened my eyes to how wrong I was


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    #21781036 - 06/08/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:


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    #21781397 - 06/09/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Go sit in a kiddie pool full of liquor and see if you get drunk without drinking it.



You have just opened my eyes to how wrong I was



Im sure you could. Wouldn't some of the liquor go up your ass, essentially plugging it?


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21782424 - 06/09/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know my ass is pretty tight. I swim quite a bit and have never farted out a fountain afterwards.

But I'm sure some loose ass sumbitch could drink with their sphincter.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21782435 - 06/09/15 09:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Here you go, Nichols had no success absorbing it, even with a booster to help it soak in skin,

https://www.erowid.org/general/conferences/conference_mindstates4_nichols.shtml


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: OEVS]
    #21782513 - 06/09/15 10:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I love how people in this thread are claiming otherwise without any real evidence, especially those giving any credit at all to a cop's "overdose" story on LSD, over a top chemist and pharmacologist in the field.

I've watched all Dr. Nichols lectures that are are available on Youtube and read all the links that have been posted in this article. At this point in time, I am trusting the word of one of the world's leading experts in psychedelics research that has actually synthesized and worked with large amounts of the compound.

The thing that gets me most about the whole Albert Hoffman accidental ingestion debate is that the entire experience only lasted 2 hours and he was completely back to baseline. I don't know a single person who could have such a dramatic experience on LSD and it only last a couple hours.


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    #21782531 - 06/09/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I love how people in this thread are claiming otherwise without any real evidence, especially those giving any credit at all to a cop's "overdose" story on LSD, over a top chemist and pharmacologist in the field.

I've watched all Dr. Nichols lectures that are are available on Youtube and read all the links that have been posted in this article. At this point in time, I am trusting the word of one of the world's leading experts in psychedelics research that has actually synthesized and worked with large amounts of the compound.

The thing that gets me most about the whole Albert Hoffman accidental ingestion debate is that the entire experience only lasted 2 hours and he was completely back to baseline. I don't know a single person who could have such a dramatic experience on LSD and it only last a couple hours.





This ^ you asked for sources the Erowid article is the only true source. Plus, how often have cops and authority figures actually been right in their misinformation of psychedelics?


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    #21783686 - 06/09/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I love how people in this thread are claiming otherwise without any real evidence, especially those giving any credit at all to a cop's "overdose" story on LSD, over a top chemist and pharmacologist in the field.

I've watched all Dr. Nichols lectures that are are available on Youtube and read all the links that have been posted in this article. At this point in time, I am trusting the word of one of the world's leading experts in psychedelics research that has actually synthesized and worked with large amounts of the compound.

The thing that gets me most about the whole Albert Hoffman accidental ingestion debate is that the entire experience only lasted 2 hours and he was completely back to baseline. I don't know a single person who could have such a dramatic experience on LSD and it only last a couple hours.





This ^ you asked for sources the Erowid article is the only true source. Plus, how often have cops and authority figures actually been right in their misinformation of psychedelics?



I remember reading an article about cops busying twenty teens in one apartment in colorado who were tripping on acid, and the cops said they had to wear gloves, so they don't get acid on them because the teens would sweat it out.

DON'T TOUCH HIM! HE'S ON ACID! idk why but the thought of someone yelling that cracks me up beyond belief.


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    #21784024 - 06/09/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also the show drugs inc has so much propaganda/fear mongering in it that it's laughable. They make LSD seem like some super dangerous harmful narcotic that these evil drug dealers are pushing on the children.

Face it folks, it was a drug cop on a propaganda television program, he lied. He has an agenda, he will lie to serve that agenda.

Nichols would have no reason to lie about the LSD not being able to absorb. If you think he did, I would love to hear it.

Sand used a chemical that makes drugs absorb into the skin easier and still couldn't get off. You think he didn't use a lot of LSD? He was a fucking LSD chemist, he had access to all the lsd he could ever want, I'm sure his doses were pretty high. And that experiment was probly no different.

If you really want to believe some kid who told you a story while you were in math class about how his friend's cousin in Nebraska that dated a girl who's brother absorbed 1000000 hits of Swiss needlepoint that was synthed by sandoz and given to him by owsley himself for $13, over David Nichols, then I don't know what to tell ya.


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    #21786076 - 06/09/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

lsd is best absorbed through mucus membrane i beleive. although im sure if you ingest it through any orifice on your body you will trip. that being said, i have had my hands on and in a decent amount of acid, like having it literally on my hands and fingers. even before i started eating acid enough to be able to handle a shit ton of it, i had it on my hands like this. and i have never gotten a trip off of it, unless i didnt wash my hands after and it then some how gets off of my hand and into some orifice of my body somehow, leanred that lesson, always wash your hands after.

  now that being said, where ever i get lsd on my skin i can feel the chemical working on my skin, it makes your skin feel like how your skin feels when your tripping, but only your skin where the lsd actually is. rub yourself all over your body with lsd, like a quarter to half a vial then eat 3-500 mics and youll feel blessed.
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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21931249 - 07/11/15 10:46 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Wow, look ay this post that was just made on Bluelight:


Some time in the mid 80's I had two vials; I got off the Haight. I decided to store the liquid on Sugar cubes, for nostalgic reasons... so i made 200 of them cubes... and I put them back in the box, after i individually warped them in tin foil...

I'm saying; I know from experience, that touching and wrapping those sugar cubes got me so high, like higher then what a 4 way hit would do to you :-) everything was melting up the walls, swirls, echos and more.

I don't know how much my fingers absorb but it was a very hefty dose indeed... I waded through it, totally unprepared for that trip ...

in those days... heck
I had no idea that could or would have happen to me.
Also I / we experimented back then, by putting a drop, in each eye... you come on to it very fast that way.
It does not burn your eyes, if your wondering...

So placing your thumb onto a gram, of crystal LSD, sounds real to me...

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/551810-Thumbprints?p=13141496&viewfull=1#post13141496


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21932744 - 07/12/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

He could have inadvertantly just licked his fingers, touched his mouth, rubbed his eyes. I constantly have small open wounds on my fingers. Doesn't really prove anything either way.


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    #21933088 - 07/12/15 11:37 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Could also be a false memory, or an intentionally made up story.


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    #21934945 - 07/12/15 08:16 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I am a personal  whiteness this happening.  No story or made up bullshit, as I said earlier.  A half of a vial, of very potent LSD, 60+ hits soaked up into my buddies pocked while we were tripping together.  He knows his dosages, and we only found out HOURS after.  He said to me, "I knew I felt something wet, I was just too scared too look". 

Either way, he said there was no added affect what so ever.


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    #21935041 - 07/12/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I knew someone who dealt liquid LSD. He had a vial in his pocket when the police tried to stop him.  He ran and while jumping a fence the vial broke and the LSD absorbed into his leg. From what I hear he's going to be effected by it for the rest of his life. This info is through the grape vine so could be some misinformation in there.


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    #21935212 - 07/12/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Especially because your post before you edited it said the bloke woul be '"tripping" for the rest of his life. Sounds to me like more propaganda that's been fed down the chain.... Don't believe everything you hear...


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    #21935406 - 07/12/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

One time i was really drunk and bought like 30 hits of acid, and ate one hit. I fried way harder than i anticipated, and later that night hlhad a shitload of dreams about taking acid and tripping even harder. It was literally inception on acid. At one point i thought i accidentally either ate way more than one hit, or absorbed thirty hits on accident through my skin. I wanted to go look at it and count it all up, to see if i took more than one hit, but decided not to for fear that i might absorb more if i hadn't already.

Turned out i was just really fucking drunk. I swear drinking on acid makes the visuals way more intense.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Dr.Satan]
    #21936870 - 07/13/15 11:23 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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This info is through the grape vine so could be some misinformation in there.




Precisely.


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