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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21777109 - 06/08/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The area of the body where a pocket is located when a person has pants on is one of the fattiest areas on the body. Contrast that with behind the ears, which is skin directly against bone, which is said to be one of the best places on the body for transdermal absorption. What I'm saying is I think where the LSD lands on your skin can have a huge impact on its ability to absorb.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21777147 - 06/08/15 02:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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As I already said, Nichols and Sand do not address large doses, which is what whitelights said was required to trip, based on his experience.




What part of "A concentrated solution" is giving you a hard time here?


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Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.




So much wrong with what you just said. 1000 hits is a number simply made up. No one can estimate that. It's also a cop who wants a lifetime of disability paid for by you, the taxpayer. And he got it because no one can prove he's wrong. Also he was not given Valium, you got that wrong, I watched it and his own words words said they gave him nothing. Also LSD cant last 24 hours (regardless of amount) nor does it give you a seizure.


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I've been looking around online and haven't seen anything stating its false. I mean sure they exaggerate stuff and change names for entertainment, but the basis of the stories are real is what I'd assume. Like maybe the guy didn't look like a total dirty ass hippy, and start swinging fists at dragons and midgets. But i figured some dude, trying to smuggle acid on a plane, accidentally absorbed it through his and died on the plane while he was tripping due to some health condition. I never once thought the acid caused it(can't see it helping either though),but is that really such an unbelievable scenario?




So you need help here is that it? I can't believe you are referring to an urban legend as your fucking source.
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/drugs/orange.asp


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21777160 - 06/08/15 02:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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As I already said, Nichols and Sand do not address large doses, which is what whitelights said was required to trip, based on his experience.




What part of "A concentrated solution" is giving you a hard time here?




I don't know what you're asking.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21777296 - 06/08/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A concentrated solution means a high dose.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21777326 - 06/08/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why are you telling me that? I already knew that and why are we focusing on this phrase "a concentrated solution"? my3rdeye said "What part of 'A concentrated solution' is giving you a hard time here?" What is he asking me with this non-descriptive question?


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21777365 - 06/08/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Adn just to re-state my position, whitelights states that based on his personal expereince, if enough LSD sits on the skin it can get into the bloodstream.

now when lsd hits or touches your skin, you should be able to feel it, on your skin. if you dont take much lsd, say a couple hundred mics upwards of a milligram or two and put it on your skin, you will feel it on your skin, right where you put it. you should feel that painfully good numb senstion your skin has while tripping, but thats the only effect.

if you do put enough on your skin, it will break through and make it into the bloodstream and then youll actually trip.


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Nichols simply doesn't present anything that argues against this position. Nichols references Sand's self-experiment wherein Sand coated his skin with a solution of LSD. The dose is not stated, but it's clearly an average dose as it would have been stated if the amount was particularly large. Nichols also references the fact that he and his students have made LSD in the lab; Nichols states that no one has ever gotten any effects. He states this to argue that Albert Hofmann did not accidentally self-administer LSD when synthesizing a small amount at Sandoz in 1942. Nichols' reference of his and his students' synthesizing LSD conveys a possibility of being exposed to a minute amount because his very argument is arguing against Hofmann's claim that a minute amount got on him thusly producing a lite trip, and Nichols' argument is that even if a minute amount does touch a chemist's skin, it won't work. OK, so Nichols is only dealing with small amounts with his argument. whitelights, by contrast, is talking about very large amounts of LSD. He speaks of a sheet getting wet and pressing against his skin in its water-laden state,a nd he states that even that wasn't enough to make him trip, but he states that it made his whole leg numb, to where it felt dead. He also speaks of LSD concentrate that was going to be used for laying blotter spilling on a female friend. Clearly whitelights is in different territory than David Nichols. So I'm arguing: how are you using Nichols to support the idea that LSD does not absorb through the skin, when the examples Nichols gives are completely mundane compared to whitelights' experiences.

And in addition to chinacat72's report that he has absorbed LSD transderamlly (a very large amount of powdered crystal), another person who claims such is the notable Joanna Harcourt-Smith, one of Timothy Leary's ex-wives: http://realitysandwich.com/18952/secret_sacred_use_belly_button/


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21777934 - 06/08/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Adn just to re-state my position, whitelights states that based on his personal expereince, if enough LSD sits on the skin it can get into the bloodstream.

now when lsd hits or touches your skin, you should be able to feel it, on your skin. if you dont take much lsd, say a couple hundred mics upwards of a milligram or two and put it on your skin, you will feel it on your skin, right where you put it. you should feel that painfully good numb senstion your skin has while tripping, but thats the only effect.

if you do put enough on your skin, it will break through and make it into the bloodstream and then youll actually trip.


Source: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662


Nichols simply doesn't present anything that argues against this position. Nichols references Sand's self-experiment wherein Sand coated his skin with a solution of LSD. The dose is not stated, but it's clearly an average dose as it would have been stated if the amount was particularly large. Nichols also references the fact that he and his students have made LSD in the lab; Nichols states that no one has ever gotten any effects. He states this to argue that Albert Hofmann did not accidentally self-administer LSD when synthesizing a small amount at Sandoz in 1942. Nichols' reference of his and his students' synthesizing LSD conveys a possibility of being exposed to a minute amount because his very argument is arguing against Hofmann's claim that a minute amount got on him thusly producing a lite trip, and Nichols' argument is that even if a minute amount does touch a chemist's skin, it won't work. OK, so Nichols is only dealing with small amounts with his argument. whitelights, by contrast, is talking about very large amounts of LSD. He speaks of a sheet getting wet and pressing against his skin in its water-laden state,a nd he states that even that wasn't enough to make him trip, but he states that it made his whole leg numb, to where it felt dead. He also speaks of LSD concentrate that was going to be used for laying blotter spilling on a female friend. Clearly whitelights is in different territory than David Nichols. So I'm arguing: how are you using Nichols to support the idea that LSD does not absorb through the skin, when the examples Nichols gives are completely mundane compared to whitelights' experiences.

And in addition to chinacat72's report that he has absorbed LSD transderamlly (a very large amount of powdered crystal), another person who claims such is the notable Joanna Harcourt-Smith, one of Timothy Leary's ex-wives: http://realitysandwich.com/18952/secret_sacred_use_belly_button/




I agree with your statement.  Where it lands and how pure matters.

It was touching his skin for over an hour with no effect..


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: MikeBearPig] * 1
    #21778121 - 06/08/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A friend was telling me about this kid at his school, they were bringing dogs around the school and he was in gym. He goes to his bag takes out a 30 sheet of acid and puts it inside his elite socks up against his shin. They were jogging during gym class and it absorbed through his skin. He tripped for 3 days and his mom had to feed him


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21779002 - 06/08/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A friend was telling me about this kid at his school, they were bringing dogs around the school and he was in gym. He goes to his bag takes out a 30 sheet of acid and puts it inside his elite socks up against his shin. They were jogging during gym class and it absorbed through his skin. He tripped for 3 days and his mom had to feed him



O my god. Im guessing he just wore the same pair of socks and couldn't even speak, and lile nobody but him knew about the acid being there so it just soaked in over the course of three days. Even if it didn't happen, that story and the image it gives me is fucking gold.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21779687 - 06/08/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can't trip for three days in a row just cause you ingest a bunch of acid. Even the biggest doses only last 8-16 hours depending on what you consider a trip.

All these anecdotes about people absorbing acid are just myths or urban legends.

Just because some drugs absorb through the skin does not mean all drugs do. The same way, some drugs can be smoked, but doesn't mean all drugs can.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21779777 - 06/08/15 05:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can't trip for three days in a row just cause you ingest a bunch of acid. Even the biggest doses only last 8-16 hours depending on what you consider a trip.

All these anecdotes about people absorbing acid are just myths or urban legends.

Just because some drugs absorb through the skin does not mean all drugs do. The same way, some drugs can be smoked, but doesn't mean all drugs can.




Hes right.. It was likely another substance, not LSD.  Which we have no way of finding out how much or fast it absorbs.

I had the same thought but I am just so sick of arguing on here with people -_-


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21779793 - 06/08/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You said that that Sand didn't do a high dose in the experiment, when in reality he did. That's our point. Furthermore I've had over 5 milligrams of extremely pure LSD on my skin, and it didn't get me high, nor did it make my skin numb. My skin tingled from the ethanol it was dissolved in, and that tingling stopped as soon as it evaporated. I should've licked it up.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21779870 - 06/08/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have had lsd get on a scab i had on my hand from burning myself taking dabs and I tripped pretty damn hard. I never dosed liquid on my hand or wrist like some people claim to do tho, I don't have enough liquid for experiments like that :shrug:


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #21779909 - 06/08/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Scab is different cause it's a wound...there are ways it can worm it's way in there.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #21780079 - 06/08/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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A friend was telling me about this kid at his school, they were bringing dogs around the school and he was in gym. He goes to his bag takes out a 30 sheet of acid and puts it inside his elite socks up against his shin. They were jogging during gym class and it absorbed through his skin. He tripped for 3 days and his mom had to feed him



O my god. Im guessing he just wore the same pair of socks and couldn't even speak, and lile nobody but him knew about the acid being there so it just soaked in over the course of three days. Even if it didn't happen, that story and the image it gives me is fucking gold.



According to the person that told me this, he started tripping really hard when school ended and had to be driven home by a friend, so everyone did know he was tripping, the sheet didn't stay in his sock


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: my3rdeye]
    #21780129 - 06/08/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.




So much wrong with what you just said. .




Actually, you are wrong, and you are a liar to boot. Read on.

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1000 hits is a number simply made up. No one can estimate that.






The documentary does not say how that value was computed. However, it wouldn't be too hard to estimate. As per a standard toxicology report (which they certainly would have done if he died), a blood test would tell you the concentration of the drug in the blood. From there, based on published pharmacological data for LSD, you could extrapolate the dose. I have no clue if that's what they did in this case, but it's possible. Or they could have pulled the number out of their ass. Either way, it appears the guy was exposed to an extremely large dose.

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It's also a cop who wants a lifetime of disability paid for by you, the taxpayer.





He's not on disability - he's still working the beat.

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Also he was not given Valium, you got that wrong,






No, I got it right. It is clear you never watched the documentary. What a donkey. The guy was given intravenous valium. Here's a link to the documentary. Go to the 15:30 mark:



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I watched it and his own words words said they gave him nothing.





You watched nothing. Go hit your bong again, kid.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21780130 - 06/08/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't see that you can definitively rule it out as impossible on atleast some areas of skin because when you sublingually administer the dose it's crossing a mucous membrane, and very closely transferring to you blood vessels. If someone were to be sweating their pores open and close, allowing in the LSD. While exercising, blood is being routed to your skeletal muscles and outer skin and less is being pumped to your smooth muscle in your digestive tract. Your blood vessels come closer to the skin, the LSD is transferred for outside your body, to pores and then possibly into your blood stream


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21780136 - 06/08/15 06:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That person is full of shit. Not only with the transdermal thing, but the 3 days. Many friends of mine have eaten a 100+ hits of L on multiple occasions, and weren't spun for days. I've eaten ~30 of the same myself, same thing. If anything, the kid had a manic episode or psychotic break...which is in the realm of possibility. That's what the drawn out after effects of thumbprints are; mania. I've seen it happen off much less, though those examples are rarities. None of those folks were 100% ok after 3 days either. Took months to overcome it


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: LoveNaborFuckHater]
    #21780145 - 06/08/15 06:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's not exactly how it works. The skin is far more complex than that. It's a selective semi-permeable membrane designed to keep fluid in, and foreign objects out. Sure some drugs can be absorbed transdermally, but not all....not most in fact.


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    #21780289 - 06/08/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't see that you can definitively rule it out as impossible on atleast some areas of skin because when you sublingually administer the dose it's crossing a mucous membrane, and very closely transferring to you blood vessels. If someone were to be sweating their pores open and close, allowing in the LSD. While exercising, blood is being routed to your skeletal muscles and outer skin and less is being pumped to your smooth muscle in your digestive tract. Your blood vessels come closer to the skin, the LSD is transferred for outside your body, to pores and then possibly into your blood stream



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