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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21772922 - 06/07/15 05:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21773583 - 06/07/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Id like to reference a documentary called drugs inc the "psychedelics" episode . A swat member absorbed over 1000 hits through his skin.




Here is the National Geographic documentary you are referencing (I don't think you can link to the video from here, but this documentary can be found online):

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/drugs-inc/episodes/hallucinogens/

The guy who overdosed on LSD was a part of a drug squad who raided a large LSD lab near San Franciso, CA. He shaved his beard shortly before the raid with a straight razor, which caused some small nicks and scrapes on his skin. During the raid, which he said involved gallons of liquid LSD, he touched his face a couple of times. The LSD apparently absorbed through his broken skin. He said he first suspected something was wrong when the music the agents were playing in the background during the raid (they wanted to listen to music while they worked) sounded incredible. Shortly thereafter, the agent started frying balls, and a team member took him to the ER.

Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: jgotti]
    #21773851 - 06/07/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would honestly trust the word of multiple CHEMISTS that work with and have made LSD over some federal agent on a sensationalized television show.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: djmako7]
    #21773867 - 06/07/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can swallow LSD and get high but if you swallow n-bome you will not.





This is a myth. I personally tried nBome for the first time a few weeks ago after being told it was acid. I kept it on my tongue for probably a minute or so and then swallowed it.




You didn't swallow it right away. You kept in in your mouth for 'probably a minute'. Enough time for some to absorb sublingually.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21773893 - 06/07/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly. I've gotten a bunch of potent liquid on my skin, and it did nothing. If it comes into contact with a mucus membrane or a cut it will find it's way in though.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: jgotti]
    #21773906 - 06/07/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The guy who overdosed on LSD was a part of a drug squad who raided a large LSD lab near San Franciso, CA. He shaved his beard shortly before the raid with a straight razor, which caused some small nicks and scrapes on his skin. During the raid, which he said involved gallons of liquid LSD, he touched his face a couple of times. The LSD apparently absorbed through his broken skin. He said he first suspected something was wrong when the music the agents were playing in the background during the raid (they wanted to listen to music while they worked) sounded incredible. Shortly thereafter, the agent started frying balls, and a team member took him to the ER.

Long story short, it was estimated the guy was exposed to the equivalent of a 1000 hits of LSD. He had a seizure about 9 hours in, and was given large doses of intravenous valium. Despite the valium, he tripped for a full 24 hours. Years later, he says he still suffers from neurological problems, including physical and cognitive issues.




They may have stirred particles up into the air too.  Allowing absorption through the eyes.  Or he could just be full of shit.  Have you seen the gear they wear to take down meth labs?

Also no, LSD can not be absorbed through the skin.  Panic can do crazy things to you, especially when you're already high.  Sorry OP, unless you had some horrible foot fungus or other massive skin irritation you did not trip on 90 hits of acid that night.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21773945 - 06/07/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, whitelights' post is solid: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662

I guess it depends on an individual's biochemistry.

chinacat72 has also claimed he absorbed LSD through his skin: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1335338#1335338


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779] * 2
    #21773991 - 06/07/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No, whitelights' post is solid: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662




I find openmind's post in that same thread to be a lot more informative and credible.  David Nichols vs. random guy on the internet :shrug:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613979#21613979

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chinacat72 has also claimed he absorbed LSD through his skin: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1335338#1335338




I've read a number of chinacat's posts.  There's a lot of holes in his stories and I tend to believe they're just that, stories.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21774067 - 06/07/15 01:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No, whitelights' post is solid: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613662#21613662




I find openmind's post in that same thread to be a lot more informative and credible.  David Nichols vs. random guy on the internet :shrug:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21613979#21613979





idk. That explanation seems like it has less probability than LSD being absorbed by the skin. I mean, what are the chances that Hoffman had a spontaneous mystical experience at the same time he was synthesizing LSD. Only to find a few days later that he discovered this wonderful compound which produces mystical experiences. That explanation sounds too far fetched to me.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #21774102 - 06/07/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

David Nichols just references Nick Sand's attempt at using LSD transdermally. whitelights gave three examples, two of which only resulted in a numbness-type sensation at the area of the body that the LSD touched and to elaborate he said it was a numbness that can also be experienced when on LSD.* whitelights indicated that the one time someone actually tripped from transdermal use was when LSD concentrate (a large amount) was spilled on a female friend. So I fail to see how Nick Sand's experience stands in opposition to whitelights' post. No dose is given for the Sand self-experiment, but from a debate standpoint it's reasonable to assume that Sand's dose was not an extremely large dose such as the one whitelights reported to produce full effects, and therefore sand's account is simply not directly in opposition to whitelights' post. Nichol's lecture is not "more informative and more credible." Nichols briefly mentions Sand's report of 'nothing happened' and the vast majority of the lecture was spent on Nichol's mystical experience hypothesis.

whitelights is specifically claiming a very large dose is neede.d You can't just throw out that fact and say 'yeah well, Nick Sand said he tried it (dose not specificed and probably not a large one) and he wouldn't lie.'



*Listen to what the guy says here for corroboration about such somatic sensations:




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idk. That explanation seems like it has less probability than LSD being absorbed by the skin. I mean, what are the chances that Hoffman had a spontaneous mystical experience at the same time he was synthesizing LSD. Only to find a few days later that he discovered this wonderful compound which produces mystical experiences. That explanation sounds too far fetched to me.




This. Thank you. Note that this is a different debate, people.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779] * 1
    #21774178 - 06/07/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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David Nichols just references Nick Sand's attempt at using LSD transdermally.





He also talks about his own anecdotal experiences as a chemist.  How no one in his lab has ever accidently tripped.

Couple this with the duration of Hoffman's experience and the fact that the transdermal trip has never been reproduced in a lab.

Sorry, no.  I don't take anecdotal evidence off the internet without any scientific data to back it up.  Placebo is far too powerful of an effect. 

I don't know what happened in Hoffman's case.  Perhaps he got a particle in his eye or had a small cut.  Perhaps he did have a mystical experience.  But if he absorbed LSD through his skin it would be a verifiable method of administration and we wouldn't be having this debate 70 years later.

It's a myth, the stuff of legend.  Legends are hard to kill.  I'll stop arguing and you guys can believe the legend if you want.  It certainly makes for a better story.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21774220 - 06/07/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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...I don't take anecdotal evidence off the internet without any scientific data to back it up...




That's the thing. Nick Sands only mentions subjective experience. It is not quantitative. He doesn't give any scientific data, just his subjective experience. So, I don't qualify that as scientific proof.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: paperbackwriter]
    #21774325 - 06/07/15 02:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I find this statement to be really unintelligent

"The transdermal trip has never been reproduced in a lab."

because research on LSD was pretty much obliterated, so there are many, many LSD experiments that have never been done, let alone a transdermal absorption test.

You just wanted to use the phrase 'never been reproduced in a lab' to sound authoritative.


And what relevance do Nichols' and his lab assistants' LSD synthesis experiences have to do with anything. Those things are irrelevant to whitelights' position that a very large amount is needed to produce a trip via transdermal absorption.

And I agree, the Hofmann 2 hr. thing is a little funny, but then again, LSD is a very varied substance. Hofmann also indicated that he got psychedelic effects from the natural ergot alkaloid, ergonovine, whereas when it was later trialed by several people on and reported in The Journal of Psychoactive Drugs,* the individuals reported that they needed about 3 times the amt. Hofmann used to get the same effects. Perhaps Hofmann was very sensitive to psychedelics and this sensitivity translated to a capacity to have a uniquely low dose experience where he only felt the peak, which of course only lasts several hours. Of course this doesn't line up with whitelights' claim that only a large transdermal dose would produce psychedelic effects. Confusing...

And my hypothesis about Hofmann stated above is a good one considering the childhood mystical experiences that Nichol's talks about. perhaps, on a similar wavelength to these mystical experiences, Hofmann's mind was able to go much deeper on even a very tiny dose of LSD, thus resulting in a a very unique low dose experience when he accidentally dosed himself.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: 4HO-DMT] * 1
    #21774544 - 06/07/15 03:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And all the posters that swear by transdermal absorption are only subjective experiences. I've done it accidentally; ~ half a vial of potent liquid spilled on me, and nothing happened. I was already high, and there wasn't the slightest increase in effects. The mind is a powerful thing. Placebo effect is a real phenomena. I used to get a slight buzz & increase in energy whenever I handled LSD, and I always used gloves when working with blotter & geltabs so I didn't transfer oils from my skin to the medium. There's no way that any LSD even came into contact with my skin on those occasions. Yet I had that buzzy feeling. Why? Because I knew I was holding an incredibly powerful mind-altering substance; one that has had a profound impact on history & humanity in my hands, and my mind created this tangible feeling. It really befuddles me that folks here whom should be well aware of the power of the human mind completely ignore it when it comes to matters like this. I see the same thing with folks that swear they can feel the different crystals in the experience. I used to be one of those people btw. It's all in the head, and not in the science.

I'll go with Dr. Nichols & Mr. Sand over internet anecdotes any day. On top of that, my own personal experience is in line with that. As far as the probability of Hofmann having a spontaneous mystical experience at the same time as synthing LSD goes, it wouldn't even be the first time that he had such an experience. He'd had them before. So in reality, the probability is high.  Not to mention that the effects/timeframe doesn't line up with LSD...even a low dose.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21774573 - 06/07/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The mind is a powerful thing. Placebo effect is a real phenomena. I used to get a slight buzz & increase in energy whenever I handled LSD, and I always used gloves when working with blotter & geltabs so I didn't transfer oils from my skin to the medium. There's no way that any LSD even came into contact with my skin on those occasions. Yet I had that buzzy feeling. Why? Because I knew I was holding an incredibly powerful mind-altering substance




Dude, whitelights said his frigging leg went numb. And he wasn't even aware that his acid was getting soaked and touching him. So, the placebo effect is not a valid factor in regard to that report.


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I'll go with Dr. Nichols & Mr. Sand over internet anecdotes any day.




As I already said, Nichols and Sand do not address large doses, which is what whitelights said was required to trip, based on his experience.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: s240779]
    #21774589 - 06/07/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Alcohol on the skin can result in numbness. Liquid on the skin in general can cause strange feelings. Besides, memory is a strange beast, and can be altered. It's well in the realm of the possibility that his mind exaggerated the feeling of wetness once he figured out what had spilled. And Nick Sand did address high doses.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21775047 - 06/07/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You are right, that both sides of the argument are based on anecdotal evidence. I just find it hard to believe that Hoffman coincidentally discovered the drug by accident after his skin was exposed. I do agree that the mind is powerful and the placebo effect is very real. But, how could Hoffman's first experience be placebo, because he was unaware of LSD's effects at that time? I don't know if it is active transdermally or not, as I don't have my own subjective experience. But, it is true that many other drugs are active transdermally.


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    #21775205 - 06/07/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In Hofmann's case it wasn't placebo. Remember that he had spontaneous mystical experiences in the past. Far more likely that this what happened on that fateful day.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21775728 - 06/07/15 07:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe I was dosed unintentionally by soaking some liquid probably through my hand that was dropped onto a counter while being dropped onto candies. I made a thread about it.


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Re: Can LSD be absorbed through your skin? [Re: flowersprout]
    #21775824 - 06/07/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So, I have had an experience.

No bullshit stories or made up.

Somebody I know and was tripping with at the time had a full vial of LSD in their pocket.  We took 2 drops each and were doing fine.

2 hours in, he noticed his pocket was wet.  Apparently, he noticed it hours earlier but never honored the thought.  The equivalent of 40-50 drops were pressing against his skin for hours and he said it felt like a normal 2 drop trip..  Did not trip more at all.

Now, 50 drops is nothing to shy at.. You might need to just be exposed to high quantities of pure or crystallized..

I am not denying it can be absorbed through the skin.. This was just my personal experience.


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