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red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS
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I'm thoroughly disappointed in red vein Borneo kratom. OG Bali was incredible, but sadly I spilled the last 3oz I had and decided to order RVB this time. Worst decision ever. Didn't feel shit, no warmth, just fatigue and got a headache.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
#21771579 - 06/06/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont see what anybody sees in kratom..
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try it with a lil cumin innit, you may like it more (:
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Maybe your vendor sucks. Ive had really nice rv borneo. All i take is red veined.
But borneo has been pretty sedating and warm ime equivalent to like 20mg hydrocodone.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg] 3
#21771613 - 06/06/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with "Red Vein Borneo" being bad compared to other strains and everything to do with the batch you got of it being weak.
A red vein is a red vein for the most part no matter if it's Thai, Malay, Indonesian, etc. What varies is alkaloid content and that is increased by the maturity of the leaf. Proper storage is also key to keeping that potency.
To put it bluntly, your vendor sold you some weak ass shit, yo.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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kr0nik0 said: To put it bluntly, your vendor sold you some weak ass shit, yo.
Word
I got some red vein borneo and that shit puts me in a nod
I can feel its sedating effects from the first spoonful
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
#21771641 - 06/06/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is state of the art "Kraken Kratom" RVB; yes thats right, the shroomery sponsor. Their shit can't be weak
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
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I didn't get any euphoria either. Well another 3.5 grams down the hatch. Will most likely be dissaponted, but will report later.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: blackhawk]
#21771652 - 06/06/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I always liked the reds the best as well. Best one I remember getting was a batch of Indonesian Red Vein from a completely random vendor about a year ago.
Not only because of the nod, especially with weed, but so good for pain relief.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
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Bring it up to them in the shroomery sponsor forum.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
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Also don't know If this makes a difference but I parachuted that last dose, and may have had some watermelon and protein bar floating around in my stomach. But Id still expect to feel something.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
#21771881 - 06/06/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have been getting some shitty batches of kratom lately. I dont know if its the off season of if my vendor is getting shady. I have been using it to taper off completely. The with drawl has been fairly unpleasant for me.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
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Tybg said: I'm thoroughly disappointed in red vein Borneo kratom. OG Bali was incredible, but sadly I spilled the last 3oz I had and decided to order RVB this time. Worst decision ever. Didn't feel shit, no warmth, just fatigue and got a headache.
Strange
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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Tybg said: Also don't know If this makes a difference but I parachuted that last dose, and may have had some watermelon and protein bar floating around in my stomach. But Id still expect to feel something.
I've had it empty and full stomach. Still nodded out at around 7gQuote:
kr0nik0 said: I always liked the reds the best as well. Best one I remember getting was a batch of Indonesian Red Vein from a completely random vendor about a year ago.
Not only because of the nod, especially with weed, but so good for pain relief. 
I've had various strains from a different vendor red indo red kali bali red thai tawa tua indo red maeng da bali was the most sedating to me. Got red vein borneo from current vendor and it's the bee's honey
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Ncogneato]
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Ncogneato said: I have been getting some shitty batches of kratom lately. I dont know if its the off season of if my vendor is getting shady. I have been using it to taper off completely. The with drawl has been fairly unpleasant for me.
Not a forum sponsor btw.
If you see this reply and have a moment, it'd be nice of you to who your vendor is. I like to stay on top of who has particularly good and bad batches at any given time.
You also raise an interesting point re: seasonality. A lot of experienced kratom users claim the best batches are harvested between August-October, with stuff in late winter-early spring being the weakest.
Tybg: I could be mistaken about this, but I'm not sure The Shroomery itself makes any claims about quality control with their vendors. I think the main requisite to being one is that they pay 200$ a month for it. While many vendors are great (ie the ones that last), there have been bunches of shady/subpar sellers advertising here over the years. Kratom batches vary drastically, even within the same batch, if that makes sense. Red Vein Borneo shouldn't be written off entirely; just that batch.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Ncogneato]
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Ncogneato said: I have been getting some shitty batches of kratom lately. I dont know if its the off season of if my vendor is getting shady. I have been using it to taper off completely. The with drawl has been fairly unpleasant for me.
Not a forum sponsor btw.
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Snagging kilos from the same vendor for 100 bucks a pop for years now and have noticed no difference. Sorry that your vendor sucks OP.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Adden]
#21772015 - 06/06/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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???
Indo vendor? I know 2 domestic sellers working in that range & neither have been around for years.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
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Tybg said:
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Ncogneato said: I have been getting some shitty batches of kratom lately. I dont know if its the off season of if my vendor is getting shady. I have been using it to taper off completely. The with drawl has been fairly unpleasant for me.
Not a forum sponsor btw.
http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php
I appreciate the link but they wont ship to my location.
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Around 3 at this point now yeah, at least over 2. Years > 1 year.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Ncogneato]
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Ah Wisconsin :/
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
#21772077 - 06/06/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I found a new vendor I like to spread the word.
Oh and what the hell is with everyone's red vein fetish here? I love me some whites for school work and the mornings and green malay is a sick strain that I find lasts all day and has the right balance of energy and sedation.
I take like 6 gram doses of kratom and like the energy the best.
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Sedation, pain relief, mood stabilizer.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Adden]
#21772090 - 06/06/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have taken kratom for a few years on and off and I find even in like ten gram doses of red vein kratom even the "sedating" strains are still energetic at the same time.
Like do you guys find it always starts out with energy then turns into sedation?
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Red veins are geared more towards pain relief and sedation. That's why I've always liked it.
I like Green veins if I'm going to be eating it in the morning for its' energy. White veins for me don't differ much from greens, only thing is that it keeps me up all night.
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No, the other way around. Too much and it's eye-wiggles, shaky hands, headache, sweating and nausea. My sweet spot is 4.5 grams, can redose no earlier than 4 hours later.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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What do you guys pay a kilo?
I pay a hundred bucks. I am waiting on a kilo to get here and think it'll be here sometime next week.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Adden]
#21772111 - 06/06/15 09:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dys said: No, the other way around. Too much and it's eye-wiggles, shaky hands, headache, sweating and nausea. My sweet spot is 4.5 grams, can redose no earlier than 4 hours later.
Trying to read on a high dose of kratom is like having dyslexia cause your eyes are like moving around and you can't just look at the words. Just my experience only happens at like ten gram doses.
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Bitter Cactus said: What do you guys pay a kilo?
I pay a hundred bucks. I am waiting on a kilo to get here and think it'll be here sometime next week.
Bout the same. $105 or $110 w/ shipping included.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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I had four 000 gel caps after a meal and it worked fine
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Konyap]
#21772228 - 06/06/15 10:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Gels caps are for nubz.
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it all depends on the brand or site you buy from. that "red borneo kratom" you bought is probably 50% grass clippings
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Adolin]
#21772267 - 06/06/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Never bought anything else, at this point it just gets me 'right'. Without it, I'm irritable and fussy, like a baby. With it...
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: blackhawk] 1
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blackhawk said:
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kr0nik0 said: To put it bluntly, your vendor sold you some weak ass shit, yo.
Word
I got some red vein borneo and that shit puts me in a nod
I can feel its sedating effects from the first spoonful
Yeah
im gonna lower my use. my krat tolerance is high about 4 grams to get good sedative effects
after about a month of daily use the tolerance really kicks up
1-3days of abstinence the tolerance fades dramatically
im almost nodding atm from red vein boreno
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Adden]
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I'm glad you guys mentioned those eye wiggles. I thought that was just me. Never heard it mentioned before..
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Amanita86]
#21772857 - 06/07/15 04:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's kratom's way of telling you that you took too much and to slow down. That Gaia shroomy stuffs and whatnots.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg]
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Sounds to me like you've got a shitty vendor
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It's not really eye wiggles but more that your eyes wonder around. Like it's hard to look directly at something for a long time if you have taken too much.
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Burke Dennings said: You also raise an interesting point re: seasonality. A lot of experienced kratom users claim the best batches are harvested between August-October, with stuff in late winter-early spring being the weakest.
thats funny, i bought my kratom back in august and september and 2g of RVB had me nodding like i had done H. the white vein was super stimmy, so was the green. but it was all potent as hell. since then my vendor has disappeared but i still have like 1.5lbs of RVB, 3/4lb of green and 3/4 of white. i wonder if my vendor was still running his site it would be less potent due to seasons
but red vein borneo is my favorite kratom strain - as an ex oxycodone addict it feels EXTREMELY similar
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trippinballs420 said: but red vein borneo is my favorite kratom strain - as an ex oxycodone addict it feels EXTREMELY similar
Yea, man. That's exactly why I always like the reds. You know the deal. I feel you on the greens even being too stimulating, it feels nice, but the reds make me comfortable while greens and whites sometimes put me on edge.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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yupp, im aiming for a nod, pain relief, and anxiety relief....the whites and greens can definitely make me anxious as fuck. to the point of pacing around if i dont have anything to do
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Ya I guess for someone like me that likes the stimulation the whites are the best especially during school. I am an ex meth addict so anything to give me my normal energy levels back is a plus.
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What dose do you guys find yourselves nodding at? Just took 4 grams and felt slight warmth, but nowhere near, oxy, not even close to codeine
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Tybg] 1
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I only get the nod from it if I smoke good weed with the kratom.
10g's and a couple bowls of top shelf bud gets me nodding like Weekend At Bernie's.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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when i first got it and had been off opiates for over 2 years the first time 2g had me nodding hard....tolerance builds quickly and redosing takes a LOT more IME to get back to where you were.....10g with tolerance i could get my nod on super hard, i also dab and smoke a bunch of weed
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No way can you have a legit nod from kratom IMO. Not the full slow swoop nod I had from shooting hydromorphone.
Kratom gets me more spun then my concerta prescription at the doses I take it. Kratom is a good ADD med.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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7g at least
anymore and I'll probably get so stoned, I won't be able to lift my eyelids
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i have had a legit oxy-like nod from kratom
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Bitter Cactus said: No way can you have a legit nod from kratom IMO. Not the full slow swoop nod I had from shooting hydromorphone.
Kratom gets me more spun then my concerta prescription at the doses I take it. Kratom is a good ADD med.
Shooting hydromorphone is a completely different beast. If you're used to that kratom probably wont do much for you..
About 10 gs is where it's at for me. Brings on the sweats a little etc.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Amanita86]
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I shot hydromorphone a long time ago and only a few times.
Trust me my opiate tolerance is non existant.
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It's hard to get drowsy from kratom alone but it's possible around 6g. Throw in some benadryl and it becomes a lot more sedating. Smoking increases the effects 10 fold ime.
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Well I can stop drinking for awhile and I'll never get back to where a sixer is where I get my off at. You know what Im saying
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Amanita86]
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Got a 100$ kilo of RVB coming tomorrow
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: madmodder]
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Never order one strain dude. Single strain syndrome is real. I have a hundred dollar kilo split into four different strains and will rotate my strains each day.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Amanita86]
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I was out camping and long story short I ate some steak some dumbass Russians made (only one fucking bite) and I was shitting and throwing up with the worst stomach pain all night and morning.
One spoonful of kratom and (Boom!) I feel completely fine
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Yea, kratom calms the stomach just like any low dose opiate. It's amazing for hangovers for the same reason.
If you got food poisoning it might not be the smartest idea to slow down your digestive system. You wanna get that shit out of your system ASAP, kratom plugs you up.
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Bitter Cactus said: Never order one strain dude. Single strain syndrome is real. I have a hundred dollar kilo split into four different strains and will rotate my strains each day.
Came with 4 free OZ of RV Maeng Da also, I was gonna get another kilo of another strain when I got the cash, I feel like I got single strain syndrome last time I used kratom so I decided to take some time off so it's been a few months since i've dosed any
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: madmodder]
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You gotta switch the strain all the time bro it keeps your tolerance to each strain super low.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: kr0nik0]
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kr0nik0 said: Yea, kratom calms the stomach just like any low dose opiate. It's amazing for hangovers for the same reason.
If you got food poisoning it might not be the smartest idea to slow down your digestive system. You wanna get that shit out of your system ASAP, kratom plugs you up.
Trust me it was well worth it. I was literally in and out of my bathroom like every 10-15min. Kratoms truly amazing
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Bitter Cactus said: You gotta switch the strain all the time bro it keeps your tolerance to each strain super low.
So 4 is a good start to a variety? What strains do you have in your stash? How long have you been using kratom? Thanks
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: madmodder]
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What is this "strain syndrome"
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: madmodder]
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madmodder said:
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Bitter Cactus said: You gotta switch the strain all the time bro it keeps your tolerance to each strain super low.
So 4 is a good start to a variety? What strains do you have in your stash? How long have you been using kratom? Thanks 
I have an order coming. Green vein borneo, red vein bali, white vein borneo, red vein horned kratom. I will have a quarter kilogram of each strain.
Single strain syndrome is real. It is when you keep dosing the same leaf for a long period of time and stop feeling the effects. I try to balance my orders usually with a couple reds or greens and one white. I find switching it up as much as possible gives you consistent effects each time.
Each strain has different alkaloid variations and if you switch it up you don't build much of a tolerance.
Kratom is different then weed in that I could be blind folded and be given a white or red and tell the difference. The effects are so different.
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Take a tablespoon 
That usually gets me right
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: DpRwav]
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I've been mixing my Maeng Da, Bali Red, and Red Thai since last Monday. I can't even tell which one is the most potent. I really like how clean these are though.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: DpRwav]
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ac1dHeaD said: Take a tablespoon 
That usually gets me right
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My kratom must suck because it takes me more than that
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: DpRwav]
#21776770 - 06/07/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ac1dHeaD said: Take a tablespoon 
That usually gets me right
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Amanita86]
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Yah that is a tiny ass dose. I'd only feel that if I didn't eat anything for days.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Amanita86]
#21776785 - 06/08/15 12:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: My kratom must suck because it takes me more than that 
You must be opiate tolerant more than oth e rs
also strains just have different levels of mitragyne and 7hydroxymitragyne
7mitragyne being much more sedatating
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: SunnyD]
#21776923 - 06/08/15 12:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Even green strains like maeng da, at a tbsp will cover me with a nice warmth/opiate high.
Ive found also no matter the strain a tbsp is always pretty close to like 20mg of hydrocodone.
Not entirely replicating, but extremely close. Also not entirely the same between strains but still close to each other, kinda like how weed is for me.
Idk kratom is weird.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: DpRwav]
#21776930 - 06/08/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kratom is dope man it's the only drug that has never burned me.
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The pharmacological effects of kratom on humans are not well studied. Its metabolic half-life, protein binding, and elimination characteristics are all unknown.[5] Kratom behaves as a μ-opioid receptor agonist, similar to opiates like morphine, although its effects differ significantly from those of opiates.[5] Kratom does not appear to have significant adverse effects, and in particular appears not to cause the hypoventilation typical of other opioids.[5] Compulsive use has been reported among drug users who inject opioids, and those who use opioids to manage pain without direction from medical professionals.[5]
might as well call it that
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Konyap]
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Bitter Cactus said: Kratom is dope man it's the only drug that has never burned me.
Kratom burned me. Once.
But i was coming down off 500ug of 1p-lsd and tried to eat a bunch and fucking yacked it up.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: DpRwav]
#21776982 - 06/08/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have yet to puke from kratom
but back when i was a noob with my dosing i came close to puking lots of times
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: SunnyD]
#21776989 - 06/08/15 01:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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N00b..
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I guess im a kraiken noob cause im hopelessly addicted.4lyfe ya her rr
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: SunnyD]
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It was like a weird gag reflex thing that had never happened to me before. It just got stuck everywhere you wouldnt want krat and it disoriented me. I had got some down and then there was kratom in even more place you dont want kratom. Goopy acidic kratom.
It would of gone viral had it been recorded.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: DpRwav]
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I've launched it in the bushes a few times. Those after puke endorphines that get released mix real well with kratom.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Amanita86]
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If the nausea is from dizzyness (a really high dose) i couldnt see puking making you feel better youd still be in a dizzy hell
now if like your stomaches empty and its upset from that i could see it helping
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: SunnyD]
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When my stomach gets upset from too much krat, I force down a bit of something mild, like bread. Usually helps.
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Burke Dennings said: When my stomach gets upset from too much krat, I force down a bit of something mild, like bread. Usually helps.
Bro eat a lot of ginger and lay down. That cures it for sure.
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In the post you quoted, I explained that I have an effective workaround for the very rare occasion that that happens.
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Here is a good beginners guide I found on youtube.
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Burke Dennings said:

What?
I think it's a good guide bro.
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I just think it's funny that you'd direct it at me.
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Burke Dennings said: I just think it's funny that you'd direct it at me.
I posted it for everyone.
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Burke Dennings said: When my stomach gets upset from too much krat, I force down a bit of something mild, like bread. Usually helps.
Anything that helps with stomache acid like bread in your case will help
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: SunnyD]
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Eating after dosing kicks in the after boosters for me. Makes it way more enjoyable.
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: Gorlax]
#21778849 - 06/08/15 01:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Food = that good sleep for me
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Re: red vein borneo kratom, SUCKS [Re: SunnyD]
#21778859 - 06/08/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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AddyZomeD said: If the nausea is from dizzyness (a really high dose) i couldnt see puking making you feel better youd still be in a dizzy hell
now if like your stomaches empty and its upset from that i could see it helping
It seems to help Maybe its the same mechanism at work that has you purge the cacti and are just fine afterwards..
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