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How difficult are PE's to grow?
    #21771503 - 06/06/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm currently beginning my first grow of some standard B+ cakes, and was just wondering. How much more difficult really is a strain like Penis Envy to grow than B+? I don't have my first harvest yet so I can't even comment on how B+ are, but what conditions need to be much more particular with PE to allow growth that B+ cubes don't need as refined? This goes for a lot of other exotic strains, are they recommended against for beginners?

I've heard they're very slow growers, so colonization and fruiting times I'm guessing take a little longer. Thanks.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21771558 - 06/06/15 07:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think they're about 2-7 more difficult than normal cubes.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21771561 - 06/06/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've found they're not really any more difficult than other cubes. In general they seem to fruit about 25 - 33% slower than other cubes. So be a little more patient with them.

Depending on where you get your spores from your first flush may come out as a load of mutant "blobs" rather than normal mushrooms. The second flush will usually turn out with more normal looking mushrooms.

Of course, you will have better results doing a bulk grow with coir or hpoo instead of BRF cakes. Good luck.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: FungusOfTheBungus]
    #21771580 - 06/06/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

PE are no harder to grow than any other cube they just take longer to pin.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21771591 - 06/06/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Whats the yield usually like compared to B+ under he same conditions usually, consistently lower?
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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21771597 - 06/06/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They will fruit under the same conditions as normal cubes on a bulk sub.

But if you want good results you need to dial it in better and case it.

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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21771598 - 06/06/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Whats the yield usually like compared to B+ under he same conditions usually, consistently lower?
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Yield depends on you.

If you abuse  it the same way as another cube it will probably yield half as much.

If you treat it with TLC it could be higher... Again, just like any other cubes.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21771606 - 06/06/15 07:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That really depends. B+ and PE are just varieties. There is still tons of genetic variation within each. you can get great yields, mediocre yields and terrible yields from both varieties. I've had great results from both.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21771624 - 06/06/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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That really depends. B+ and PE are just varieties. There is still tons of genetic variation within each. you can get great yields, mediocre yields and terrible yields from both varieties. I've had great results from both.




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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21771830 - 06/06/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm in the middle of a PE monotub grow right now. I read a lot about casing it, to minimalize the mutant blobs. I cased with peat moss, verm, gypsum, and hydrated lime (or pickling lime, they're the same thing). I had 0 mutant blobs. My flushes are also pretty decent. And this was a multispore inoculation, still got great results. I recomend casing PE for the best result.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: E go death]
    #21771849 - 06/06/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm in the middle of a PE monotub grow right now. I read a lot about casing it, to minimalize the mutant blobs. I cased with peat moss, verm, gypsum, and hydrated lime (or pickling lime, they're the same thing). I had 0 mutant blobs. My flushes are also pretty decent. And this was a multispore inoculation, still got great results. I recomend casing PE for the best result.





i have 4 new PE tubs up and coming that are cased and there is zero mutant blobs.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #21771890 - 06/06/15 08:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think mutant blobs have largely to do with genetics. The PE that I have grown has produced almost no blobs no mater how I grow it. I like PE a lot but quit growing it because it takes so long to fruit and then takes forever between flushes.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21771956 - 06/06/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm currently beginning my first grow of some standard B+ cakes, and was just wondering. How much more difficult really is a strain like Penis Envy to grow than B+? I don't have my first harvest yet so I can't even comment on how B+ are, but what conditions need to be much more particular with PE to allow growth that B+ cubes don't need as refined? This goes for a lot of other exotic strains, are they recommended against for beginners?

I've heard they're very slow growers, so colonization and fruiting times I'm guessing take a little longer. Thanks.





They're neither exotic nor slow growers, though sometimes they can be slow to fruit.  Standard conditions for any cube will get the job done, and special conditions will do no better. :thumbup:


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21772632 - 06/07/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some say genetics, some say nutrients. PE takes a little longer but is well worth it.

You're first flush may be mutant abominations. Treat them kindly for they are still just as good.

Yield does vary based on care however the quality of the overall harvest versus the quantity (which is still rather nice) will be apparent.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: obscure616]
    #21773128 - 06/07/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

why alot of people like to grow this one??


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: oontribe]
    #21773173 - 06/07/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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why alot of people like to grow this one??




I've had the pleasure to try this strain, and a single gram was the same as 3 of my friends B+ cubes. They're said to be a lot stronger.

Thanks everyone though, sorry to ask a stupid question but I was just wondering, thanks.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: nwalker248]
    #21773494 - 06/07/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They can be verry strong but potancy varies just like with any cube. My strongest B+ is way stronger than my average PE but my strongest PE has been stronger than Pan Cyans. With a bit of agar work you can get consistently great potancy from any variety. My favorite thing about PE is the thick meaty fruits and no spore drop to worry about if you aren't around to pick when they are ready.


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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: obscure616]
    #21773961 - 06/07/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Some say genetics, some say nutrients. PE takes a little longer but is well worth it.

You're first flush may be mutant abominations. Treat them kindly for they are still just as good.

Yield does vary based on care however the quality of the overall harvest versus the quantity (which is still rather nice) will be apparent.




The quality (potency & size) is going to mostly based on genetics of the strain.

If nutrients alone dictated quality (potency, size) then we wouldn't be cloning and isolating strains on agar.

While taking good care of your grow is always recommended and preferred, the yield (under proper growing parameters) is ALSO going to be based largely on genetics.

This holds true to all cube varieties.

I assume the OP used MS inoculation. While this method is fine and how most of us started out, it is the equivalent of the genetic lottery.

The only way to choose genetics is by cloning and/or isolating on agar.

Even at that you still have to grow the strain out and test the fruits out. (and save back a master grain jar, slant, or plate to repeat genetics.





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Re: How difficult are PE's to grow? [Re: MudaFuka]
    #21774035 - 06/07/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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They can be verry strong but potancy varies just like with any cube. My strongest B+ is way stronger than my average PE but my strongest PE has been stronger than Pan Cyans. With a bit of agar work you can get consistently great potancy from any variety. My favorite thing about PE is the thick meaty fruits and no spore drop to worry about if you aren't around to pick when they are ready.




Do the spores still affect the taste?  I'm debating picking up a syringe of PE and not having to worry about fruits overdeveloping sounds really nice.


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    #21774047 - 06/07/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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