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OfflineLofetospoon9
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Where are my pins?
    #21771214 - 06/06/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Used the search,
Read at least 100 threads, some helping, most
didn't seem to be in my exact situation, usually
their problems were more obvious.

I birthed 6 cakes a few days after fully colonized.
I dunked them for 24 hours, and
Rolled in verm. I put them in my perlite SGFC (Sterlite tub
4.5 inches of soaked perlite, 1/4' holes on every side, raised
By 2 1/2pint jars on each corner) which is in a closet.
3 hydrometers read over 90% rh and averages at
75 degrees. And a light hangs right above 6500K 12/12

When i started then, i was misting and fanning about
4 times a day, directly at the cakes. After about 5 days
They started turning blue at the edges, and has gotten
Worse slowly.

I figured the bruising was from handling, but it started
Pretty late, and has not gone away.

Its been 3 weeks now, no "fluffy mycelium" really,
Just a little growth, a ton of bruising, and 1 pin that sprouted
About 3 days ago.

My theory was i wasnt misting and fanning enough,
Now, as of the last 2 days i do it almost every hour, as the moisture on
The surface dries. The cakes are not light really by any means
But are very blue. From everything i know so far, its not contam.

Now im thinking its the closet, but the door is open 24/7
And the terrarium isnt directly Against the wall,
Just a little close.

Whats my problem? Did everything by the book (Evils take on BRF cakes) that is.
Why only one pin after 3 weeks, and tons of bruising?


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OfflineLofetospoon9
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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21771243 - 06/06/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



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2) All living things contain one or more cells
3) All living things use energy.
4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size.
5) Living things grow.
6) Living things respond to changes in the environment.
7) Living things can reproduce.
8) Living things eventually die.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21771298 - 06/06/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You need to wait 7 days after fully colonized to birth

Mist lightly/ not heavily directly on the cakes and only when dry

Make sure you have 6 inch clearance on all sides

Stop handling

Go back and read the tek


Edited by mush madness (06/06/15 05:48 PM)


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Invisibleinsanemike

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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: mush madness]
    #21771373 - 06/06/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

mush madness said:
You need to wait 7 days after fully colonized to birth

Mist lightly/ not heavily directly on the cakes and only when dry

Make sure you have 6 inch clearance on all sides

Stop handling

Go back and read the tek




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OfflineLofetospoon9
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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: insanemike]
    #21771540 - 06/06/15 07:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The thing is i literally have never touched the
Cakes except to dunk them, roll them, and to place
In terrarium. And i forgot to mention i stopped misting
Directly about a week and a half ago. I spray lightly over the top.
And i gave my
Specs, does anything /not/ go by tek? Ive read it over and over
And the first 3 weeks i have been going by the T,
And for 3 weeks no pins only bruising. Thats why i strayed and started
Misting more. The tek itself even said to spray directy,
Which is wrong. I need some further advice. And ive been spraying every hour
Only /because/ they no longer appear moist at that time.

Also, they may not have been fully colonized, but 3 weeks? And still nothing?


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Invisibleinsanemike

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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21771595 - 06/06/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bruising means they are stressed which can come from mishandling, drying out or from forceful misting.
If given the proper conditions, they will propagate when they are ready to.


Edited by insanemike (06/06/15 07:22 PM)


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OfflineLofetospoon9
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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: insanemike]
    #21771642 - 06/06/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Are you sure directly misting can cause bruising?  I started
To think this but dismissed it as i couldnt find sufficiant info on that. And i wouldnt
Exacly say it was forceful, it was from like 5" away. And if i stopped doing this a week ago
why is my bruising still there so bad?
And your last sentence is exactly what im worried about. I think i have beem giving them
The right conditions (75 degrees, 95 percent rh, 12/12 lighting,
Misting and fanning) and no propagation. Any other ideas?
I had large foil bases at first but carefully cut the corners off as
Someone told me the base needs to be no bigger than the cake. Also
Could the closet be a problem, even with the door open an it centered, having over a foot of space
By each side?
Thanks a lot for the advice


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21771669 - 06/06/15 07:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Can we see a close up pic of your cakes? It may help determine if there is a problem or not. I've never grown in a closet before but I know that the SGFC was designed to take advantage of natural air currents in the grow room, so the more open space around the FC the better.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: insanemike]
    #21771743 - 06/06/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes im going to take them out of closet entirely. But the only option
That leaves in my bedroom, which a cieling fan runs all the time in.
Is that okay? Ive read fans in rooms messes with the
Natural convection, but would a breezy room be better than a rather sill air closet?
Also ill have some pics up when i get home in an hour if youll hang in with me


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2) All living things contain one or more cells
3) All living things use energy.
4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size.
5) Living things grow.
6) Living things respond to changes in the environment.
7) Living things can reproduce.
8) Living things eventually die.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21771939 - 06/06/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your holes look like they are spaced right. You are using the correct jars. Your perlite level looks to be around 4 inches. And your misting enough.

I always wait to see primordia before birthing my cakes that way you know the myc has consumed the cake and is wanting to go. I would assume 3 weeks would be enough but that would vary GREATLY depending on strand and genetics and so on. I had a cake take 3 weeks to start fruiting one time but it took like 8 weeks to colonize and another few of consolidation.

Your light cycle is fine so i'm guessing its probably not getting the fresh air it needs to evaporate the water off the surface of the substrate (one of your main pinning triggers). The trick is supplying AS MUCH FAE as possible while maintaining as much humidity as you can. The shit needs to breathe just like you. Just watch your cakes and keep them glistening. You will develop an eye for this as you go. It was hard for me to see in the beginning.

I would guess that you couldn't find good coarse perlite and picked some of the miracle grow shit up at your local box store..... Ditch that shit and get some horticultural grade stuff from one of the sponsors. Out-grow is where I shop for all my mycology needs.

I ran a regular oscillating fan in my large bedroom on the opposite side as my SGFC during my first run. It dried my cakes out.


Edited by GIjoe420 (06/06/15 08:53 PM)


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Invisibleinsanemike

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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: GIjoe420]
    #21771944 - 06/06/15 08:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The ceiling fan will definitely have an effect on air current which may lead to more misting but I still think it's better than being couped up in that closet.


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Offlinechasingwaterfalls
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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: insanemike]
    #21771961 - 06/06/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do apologize if you mentioned it and I overlooked it, but did you keep the closet door closed the last few weeks? Jw


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OfflineLofetospoon9
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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: chasingwaterfalls]
    #21772019 - 06/06/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No the closet door has been opened the whole time,
But the FC has been in the back, with only about 6 inches from the wall
Until a few days ago i moved it closer to the door.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21772052 - 06/06/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

One more question, sorry - is there any chance your perlite is packed down too much?  Only bring it up because my first time using a SGFC, I ran water through the perlite in the FC tote I was going to use to soak it(didn't have another big container handy and was feeling too lazy to do batches in a tiny colander).  My humidity went up after I had used a wooden skewer to poke through all the lower holes on my SGFC, which I had assumed had meant it fixed it by being able to have air properly flow through.

I know you mentioned you read 90%+ humidity, but IME i personally stopped trusting the few cheap thermometer/hygrometers I bought is all


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: chasingwaterfalls]
    #21772324 - 06/06/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay i am using hydrometers and am getting suspicious.
Thanks Mkim, thanks exactly something i wanted when i posted.
Have been reading for weeks and never came across
That phen. However, it just so happens, yes. That was my situation.
No big colander, so i strained it through the FC. Maybe im just being
Jumpy but that post blew my mind, considering i did that
Exact thing, so i checked on the bottom, and i just found that
The spot of perlite in/above each of these holes is turning ORANGE? 
None of the spots are bigger than the holes they are in/above, so it doesnt seem
To be "spreading" and i was sure perlite is Nutrient zero, so it makes me think
That its some kind of chem reaction, not a contam, but with a closer look, a piece of perlite
In the chamber was also orange. I think your suspicion is very possible ill poke something
Through the perlite and see if i can read at least an acurate difference in rh


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2) All living things contain one or more cells
3) All living things use energy.
4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size.
5) Living things grow.
6) Living things respond to changes in the environment.
7) Living things can reproduce.
8) Living things eventually die.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21772338 - 06/06/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But on the other hand, what the hell is this orange stuff? Ill use the search function
on this but i cant help but associate the orange stuff in
The bottom of the holes, with the possibility that in is too stuffed.

Also when my service gets better ill post a lot of pictures


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2) All living things contain one or more cells
3) All living things use energy.
4) Living things have a definite form and have a limited size.
5) Living things grow.
6) Living things respond to changes in the environment.
7) Living things can reproduce.
8) Living things eventually die.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21772416 - 06/06/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay, ill post some pictures tomorrow but as of now:

Assume my problem is FAE related, Ill take the SG out of the closet, and into the room, poke out any dense perlite from the bottom, and because of the breezy room, spray more if they dry quicker.

And i am using B+, and the jars did take longer
Than usual to colonize, maybe genetics is playing a part of my
Problem so ill be patient but will post more as they progress
Crossing my fingers


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3) All living things use energy.
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8) Living things eventually die.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21772435 - 06/06/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Also thanks GI joe, got your post last for some reason


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3) All living things use energy.
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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21772440 - 06/06/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You've already accomplished the more difficult part of your grow. Which is keeping everything sterile until full colonization. Just mist and fan as needed and things will work out fine.


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Re: Where are my pins? [Re: Lofetospoon9]
    #21772476 - 06/06/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Lofetospoon9 said:




Not to be rude but if you're looking for help do you think this pic is gonna do anyone any good? You're standing like 6 feet away from it :smbfacepalm:


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