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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: rackem]
#21773074 - 06/07/15 07:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ya I've never personally known anyone that positively quit from gum or patches. Everyone I know that tried it.... would smoke at the same time. Then they just went back to smoking. I've heard of success stories with the alternative methods online.. but they are few and far between.
What they don't realize is that even if you are getting your nicotine addiction fed... people still crave the psychological addiction and ritual of it.. the oral fixation, inhaling and exhaling something.. taking that "break" every once in a while. I've read that the psychological addiction is MUCH stronger than the physical one. Any physical withdrawal symptoms are gone after about 3 days of not smoking, your body no longer craves nicotine.. but it can takes WEEKS (21 days + ) before you get over the mental cravings.
That's why Ecigs are so fucking amazing with such a high success rate. You get your nicotine fix, while at the same time satisfying the mental craving of 'taking a break', and inhaling/exhaling something.. except instead of carcinogenic smoke.. you are inhaling basically a virtually harmless vapor. So it's a complete solution that addresses all the variables, when done properly.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Shroomism]
#21773084 - 06/07/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Funny story about nicorette (the gum)
I thought you were going to say that she complained that she couldn't get them to stick to her arm. 
There are always cheap deals on e-bay. There's one right now selling a box of 36 cartridges with for £17.99. inc p+p, or 'shipping' as you colonists would have it.  One box lasts me for months.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Psychonautica]
#21773086 - 06/07/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Shroomism]
#21773097 - 06/07/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Ya I've never personally known anyone that positively quit from gum or patches. Everyone I know that tried it.... would smoke at the same time. Then they just went back to smoking. I've heard of success stories with the alternative methods online.. but they are few and far between.
What they don't realize is that even if you are getting your nicotine addiction fed... people still crave the psychological addiction and ritual of it.. the oral fixation, inhaling and exhaling something.. taking that "break" every once in a while. I've read that the psychological addiction is MUCH stronger than the physical one. Any physical withdrawal symptoms are gone after about 3 days of not smoking, your body no longer craves nicotine.. but it can takes WEEKS (21 days + ) before you get over the mental cravings.
That's why Ecigs are so fucking amazing with such a high success rate. You get your nicotine fix, while at the same time satisfying the mental craving of 'taking a break', and inhaling/exhaling something.. except instead of carcinogenic smoke.. you are inhaling basically a virtually harmless vapor. So it's a complete solution that addresses all the variables, when done properly.
I don't know, i've heard mixed stories about whether they are that safe (or not)
Have nothing credible to back up the counter though so
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Beanhead]
#21773106 - 06/07/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i really dont care about the science, they are an excellent vehicle to quit smoking.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Beanhead]
#21773107 - 06/07/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's been a lot of shit science thrown out there that has gone viral, based on completely BS studies. Most of those "studies" demonizing vaping, were directly funded by Pfizer and big tobacco companies. No conflict of interest there Pfizer makes "Chantrix".. the stop smoking cessation pharmaceutical, that is linked to an 8x higher suicide risk.. lol. Ecigs are putting a huge damper on their sales. They have pumped MILLIONS into bullshit "studies" and propaganda to try and scare people away from them as well as trying to lobby to get them banned.
Like the one saying there are high levels of formaldehyde produced in ecig vapor, higher than cigarettes. Which was debunked countless times and shown to be a complete BS study and not based in any kind of real world results. But that didn't stop it from going viral and tons of people parroting the BS claims. www.ecigarette-research.org/research/index.php/research/research-2015/210-ald
Then there's also this... http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/e-cigarette-vapor-shown-repress-immune-system http://www.news-medical.net/news/20091104/Propylene-glycol-in-e-cigarettes-might-keep-us-healthy-says-researchers.aspx
And the multitudes of other case studies, of which here is a few: http://onvaping.com/the-ultimate-list-of-studies-on-e-cigarettes-and-their-safety/
While we don't have enough concrete evidence to say it is perfectly safe (there are uncontrolled factors - such as contamination of ejuice, shitty devices/coils made in China with no quality control, etc...) on the whole.. based on the fucktons of research I have done, ecigs are easily a 100x safer alternative to smoking cigarettes and there is zero evidence that it can cause cancer.
We definitely need more research.. but based on all the research we have currently, I feel very confident saying that ecigs are basically harmless, provided the proper variables are in place (using a quality ejuice from a trusted source.. being the main one). There have been issues in the past.. primarily with Chinese made ejuice, that was contaminated with heavy metals and other pollutants. The biggest "issue" with ecigs right now is that it's an unregulated industry... so you have to trust your sources.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Shroomism]
#21773165 - 06/07/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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you the man, shroomism
I'll look into ecigs
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Shroomism]
#21773168 - 06/07/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomism, it might behoove you to make something like this as a link in your thread... you have been typing out similar stuff more frequently.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: rackem]
#21773200 - 06/07/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I did start this - https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21729582 Mainly so I don't have to keep digging up the links over and over. It doesn't even have half of the studies I've found.. wish I bookmarked all of the ones I've come across.
Or do you mean putting that quote or something in that thread?
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Shroomism]
#21773254 - 06/07/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the advice everybody! I tried the gum and patches and everything a few years back to no avail, I'll have to find a way to just stop cold turkey or switch over to vaping as it will at least be healthier and hopefully won't make me feel shitty like cigs. Been smoking since I was 12 so it's almost weird thinking what it will be like to not smoke when I almost can't remember a time when I didn't but it's something I can't stop thinking about and want to do so I'll have to man up at some point and just do whatever I have to.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
#21773275 - 06/07/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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dont let the whole weird thing get to you man. i had the same issue..
get a good vape set up and dont look back.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Shroomism]
#21773349 - 06/07/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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put that link in your sig shroomism.... so people can take their own initiative and check it out..
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: rackem]
#21773367 - 06/07/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Done! I'll probably clean up that thread at a later time.. add more studies and describe what each study is on.
And OP.. if you want to get a good vape setup... I would JUMP on this offer ASAP - http://vaporjoe.blogspot.com/2015/06/usa-blowout-kanger-subox-subtank-free.html Limited time sale.. You won't find a better deal than that for a super solid setup. I'd get it myself if I wasn't broke right now.. I need a good tank device for on the go. It would also require you to get some 18650 batteries and a charger..but shit even then.. you'll be spending about the same as what you would for a much shittier setup if you go to any random vape shop. $45 for a legit 50w box mod and a Subtank Mini is an insano deal.
I can pretty much guarantee you if you start on a decent device (like the one above), and get some quality ejuice... you won't even think twice about switching over.. it would be completely effortless. Many people make the mistake of getting a shitty device at first that doesn't satisfy them, or they get crappy ejuice that doesn't satisfy and they start smoking again. If you post in the vaping forum we'll be glad to help guide you.
But yeah, I smoked for 17 years.. I quit smoking cigs in a single stroke with an ecig. I picked one up, vaped on it all day. I smoked one more cigarette and then I was done. Went from smoking 25+ cigs a day to zero basically overnight, and haven't touched one in almost 2 years. I tried smoking one while I was camping a couple weeks after I started vaping...,same brand I smoked for years (American spirits).. and it almost made me puke.. I couldn't even finish a quarter of it.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Shroomism]
#21773389 - 06/07/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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right on dude.. i think that will help alot of people out.
and yeah op usually at a b&m the tank alone would go for $45.00
jump on that shit stat.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: rackem]
#21773566 - 06/07/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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my experience with psychedelics, particularly mushrooms and LSD have had a profound effect on my cravings and overall desire to smoke and use nicotine products. basically anytime i've dropped acid at say a music festival and ended up smoking a bunch of cigs i've come out of it wanting to smoke less and less, i guess cause when one is tripping they are making new neural connections and you're kind of made aware that it sucks by all the hacking and coughing you end up doing as a result. just a guess. generally speaking cold turkey has the highest success rate if i'm not mistaken as opposed to the other forms of nicotine you can take. those only address the tar from smoking, not so much the nicotine addiction... which if inhaled is still detrimental to your lung health alone along with the propylene glycol
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: 404]
#21773589 - 06/07/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Incorrect. That's a common misconception about nicotine, it is demonized largely because it has always been associated with cigarettes, and cigarettes kill right? So nicotine is bad.. Not quite. Nicotine is quite benign by itself and has never been linked to any form of cancer or disease. It also has many known medical benefits. It's all the other shit in cigarettes that is super harmful to you. But nicotine by itself isn't really that bad. Especially at the super low levels you obtain through vaping. It's the delivery system of nicotine that is the problem. Yes, it can be toxic and kill you at a high enough dose.... but so can aspirin... so can water kill you if you drink too much of it in too short a time.
http://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2014/11/10-benefits-of-nicotine.html http://health.howstuffworks.com/wellness/drugs-alcohol/nicotine-health-benefits1.htm http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/NewsEvents/UCM232335.pdf http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/will-a-nicotine-patch-make-you-smarter-excerpt/ http://ecigarettereviewed.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Nicotine-safety-in-the-context-of-e-cigarette-use-and-tobacco-dependence-Jacques-Le-Houezec-E-Cigarette-Summit.pdf
But I had the same experience when I used to smoke and take LSD (most especially LSD). I'd light up a cigarette and this thing in the back of my brain would be like WTF are you doing you fucking idiot....haven't poisoned yourself enough already? That's one of the main things that motivated me to quit. That and the money.. But yeah tripping definitely triggered something in my brain about smoking cigs.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: 404]
#21773591 - 06/07/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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and for a more recent science article...
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The loss of integrity in the lung endothelial cells—the cells that make up the lining of the lungs—can contribute to lung injury and inflammation, but it is unknown what component of cigarette smoke causes lung cells to breakdown. Researchers wrote, “We investigated if nicotine, one of the hundreds of molecules present in [cigarette smoke] extracts, is sufficient to alter lung endothelial barrier function by affecting cytoskeletal regulation,” which is the cell’s internal matrix that supports cell shape and function.
The researchers exposed mice and both human and mouse cells to cigarette smoke and e-cigarette solution that either contained nicotine or was nicotine-free. Their findings shed light on how cigarette smoke damages the lungs and point directly to nicotine as the cause. “Nicotine has dose-dependent deleterious pulmonary effects that result in loss of lung endothelial barrier function, acute lung inflammation and decreased lung endothelial cell proliferation,” they wrote. The effects of nicotine were seen both in cigarette smoke and in e-cig solutions that contained nicotine.
Interestingly, nicotine-free e-cig solutions were also found to include lung-harming substances, such as acrolein. This substance, which is present in both e-cig solution and vapor, has been shown to damage the lungs by attacking the molecules that hold endothelial cells together.
“The increased use of inhaled nicotine via e-cigarettes, especially among the youth, prompts increased research into the effects on health. This research reports that components found in commercially available e-cigarette solutions and vapors generated by heating them may cause lung inflammation,” said lead researcher Irina Petrache, PhD. “The effects described characterize short-term effects of e-cig exposures. Whereas studies of long-term effects await further investigations, these results caution that e-cigarette inhalation may be associated with adverse effects on lung health.”
i would not go with a vape to quit smoking if you're just going to switch to it instead for the long term.
http://www.the-aps.org/mm/hp/Audiences/Public-Press/2015/25.html
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want to hear something interesting? i threw together a thread i was digging up from reading through Deoxy.org, they had a page on how LSD alters your gene expression... the studies check out and support the data from what i looked at. increasing the expression of the ARC gene led to a reduction in expressed alcoholic symptoms, as well as affecting other genes associated with opiate and addiction like NOR-1
read for yourself http://deoxy.org/wiki/Acid_Genes if you can find the thread i made somewhere it pieces together some of the broken hyperlinks on the page, though i haven't gone through all of the research this page has claimed there is.
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: 404]
#21773632 - 06/07/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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IDK man, my brother has smoked for as long as me, and he used to hack and cough terribly, he no longer does this as he started vaping 2 years ago, so it def. seems like its at least easier on the lungs, I have very seriously thought about trying to switch to vaping
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Re: I really don't know how people quit cigs. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
#21773637 - 06/07/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Vaping is the shit
That is all
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