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Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous
    #21770053 - 06/06/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The head on my penis plant is splitting. Std maybe lol. My other one is fine, I don't see any attack from pest or animals as this was in between my Peruvianus plants. Any help is appreciated.





This is my other one with no problems


Thanks for the help. :smile:

Edit: fixed broken pic

Update: July/3/2015
No new pup but the tip is growing again :laugh:


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
    #21770086 - 06/06/15 11:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Zombi3]
    #21770325 - 06/06/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It looks healthy, should be interesting to see what happens next


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
    #21770370 - 06/06/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Strange


I'm excited to see how this progresses :strokebeard:


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: spaceman101]
    #21770671 - 06/06/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

looks like a double headed dick


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
    #21770897 - 06/06/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quick, your penis cacti has got the gay! Burn in quick before it releases its gay spores!



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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
    #21771020 - 06/06/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Is there a chance that's a "complication" from pupping?


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Amanita86]
    #21771131 - 06/06/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is there a chance that's a "complication" from pupping?




That's exactly what it looks like...almost like instead of sprouting a new pup, it spread its tip. Wouldn't it be great if the monstrose turned into a crest?

Was there previous damage to the top before this happened?


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21771350 - 06/06/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wouldn't it be great if the monstrose turned into a crest?

Hell yeah lol

Was there previous damage to the top before this happened?

No it looked just like the other one, it seems as if it split right where the indent is on the tip.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
    #21771471 - 06/06/15 06:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like it split it's wig from too much water.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21771550 - 06/06/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Looks like it split it's wig from too much water.




yea, that scarring looks like you could be right


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21771625 - 06/06/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I gotta get me one of those long form monstrose's, all of mine are short and fat.  Watering them a lot just makes them fatter and hard as a rock lol.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21772319 - 06/06/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Looks like it split it's wig from too much water.




This could be true, I did use nutrients for 3-4 waterings ( diluted cactus nutes of course) but stopped a few weeks ago. I water them every other week. Nothing else has shown signs of over watering but I will keep an eye out.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
    #21772759 - 06/07/15 03:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it still looks super healthy even if it was from an excess of water.  You're probably going to have a unique cactus and it won't be any worse the wear.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
    #21772849 - 06/07/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles, and even the Long jointed clone of TBM does have a limit in growth ( differently from normal columnars who can grow in height indefinitely.)
Usually pups get relatively big in very short time. Let us know how the situation evolves.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21772971 - 06/07/15 06:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

my guess is splitting from too much water intake.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
    #21773387 - 06/07/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think it still looks super healthy even if it was from an excess of water.  You're probably going to have a unique cactus and it won't be any worse the wear.




I agree, it does not seem to be detrimental. It might grow two tips now. or it might just grow the pup, who knows.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21776487 - 06/07/15 10:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles,





It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.



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my guess is splitting from too much water intake.





I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
    #21777200 - 06/08/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles,





It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.



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my guess is splitting from too much water intake.





I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.




Not trying to be argumentative but I can vouch from personal experience that TBM don't need pre-existing areoles to pup.  They can spontaneously pup at the tip if they want and I can provide photo evidence if needed.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
    #21777469 - 06/08/15 06:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles,





It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.



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my guess is splitting from too much water intake.





I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.




Normally I would agree with you on not being able to pup with no areoles. However, Ive seen my TBM pup from smooth skin. It is my belief that the areole cells still exist within the plant, and it can push pups anywhere.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
    #21777841 - 06/08/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

more than asking for "evidence", i would just like to see that. Can you post it?


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    #21778317 - 06/08/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No problem..ofc there is no proof, because there could have been an areole, however, it grew from the tip of a smooth shaft. When I get home from work, ill post it,.


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    #21778330 - 06/08/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles,





It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.



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my guess is splitting from too much water intake.





I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.




Normally I would agree with you on not being able to pup with no areoles. However, Ive seen my TBM pup from smooth skin. It is my belief that the areole cells still exist within the plant, and it can push pups anywhere.




Yeah I'm with you on this one, those TBM are freaky and do things their own way.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
    #21780041 - 06/08/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Pic 1 is the whole plant from the side
Pic 2 is the whole plant from the top
Pic 3 is the pup sprouted from no areole from the side
Pic 4 is the pup sprouted from no areole from the top


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
    #21780429 - 06/08/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles,





It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.



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my guess is splitting from too much water intake.





I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.




Not trying to be argumentative but I can vouch from personal experience that TBM don't need pre-existing areoles to pup.  They can spontaneously pup at the tip if they want and I can provide photo evidence if needed.






If that's the case then its the first I've heard of this happening. A picture would be great if you have it.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
    #21780443 - 06/08/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles,





It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.



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my guess is splitting from too much water intake.





I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.




Not trying to be argumentative but I can vouch from personal experience that TBM don't need pre-existing areoles to pup.  They can spontaneously pup at the tip if they want and I can provide photo evidence if needed.






If that's the case then its the first I've heard of this happening. A picture would be great if you have it.




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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21780492 - 06/08/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I looked at them and it appears to be pupping above an areaole, which is common behaviour when TBM makes new pups. It just looks weird because the joint where the pup has emerged is not as long as the others. I'm not convinced by these pictures that they pup without areoles present.


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    #21780509 - 06/08/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I looked at them and it appears to be pupping above an areaole, which is common behaviour when TBM makes new pups. It just looks weird because the joint where the pup has emerged is not as long as the others. I'm not convinced by these pictures that they pup without areoles present.




Actually, that is just scarring from bad overwintering. Damage near the tip probably caused it to pup. Either way, there is NO areole present at that location. Unfortunately, because some people know so much, they are less inclined to believe even with photo evidence. Beliefs are hard to change.


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    #21780544 - 06/08/15 08:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Show me a picture where the pup emerges and I might change my mind. None of those pictures are showing me what you're trying to convey. They actually confirm what I think. The areoles on that pup are very high, almost in line with that pup in the picture. This supports my view that they pup above areoles. I'm not the only one who thinks this either. I learnt this online years ago and have seen this happening with my plants.

It has nothing to do with knowing anything, I learn new things every day. Your pictures just don't show anything to change my mind. Show me a picture where the pup emerges from the section below.


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    #21780621 - 06/08/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When I find it, I will post a pic of the plant prior to the pups emerging. I believe it is on a hard drive on my old computer. I have to pull it, and put it in an enclosure.

There are no areoles on that part of the plant.


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    #21780662 - 06/08/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cool as. When you find it upload it.:sun:


In the meantime, here's my Pen0r. If you look closely you can see how the pups emerge from above an areole. My plant also pups quite high up on segments, as yours appears to be doing.

 


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    #21780734 - 06/08/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yours is all areoles, mine hardly has any


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
    #21780774 - 06/08/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup.
I mean, i see no areoles,





It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.



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my guess is splitting from too much water intake.





I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.




Not trying to be argumentative but I can vouch from personal experience that TBM don't need pre-existing areoles to pup.  They can spontaneously pup at the tip if they want and I can provide photo evidence if needed.




It's too much water and/or fertile but I get what you mean.

I've never had it happen to TBM but I have a blue myrtle spineless monstrose that had no areoles and I wondered if it would ever pup. But it did out of flat skin. I should had never deleted my old pics. I had the pic there.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21780957 - 06/08/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Karode, I saw a muppet baby in your planter.. you get a huge smile from me. :cool:


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21781056 - 06/08/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Does it make a difference on what clone it is? From the pics it looks like you guys have the short jointed ones. I have both clones and the longer ones seem to have little to no areoles


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
    #21781058 - 06/08/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have the stubby finger clumping variety.


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    #21781093 - 06/08/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

found these on google... might help what you guys are debating about ?





edit: on close inspection of the pictures I can see areoles near where that top pup is growing from. so I guess I didn't help much lol


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
    #21781119 - 06/08/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It may also be worth noting that sometimes areoles lose their spines and/or are not as obviously identifiable with bridgesii monstrose. It's possible that the pups are coming out of older areoles that you may not have identified as being areoles.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: prismism]
    #21781345 - 06/08/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if the areole has small spines, a developed pup will completly cover it sometimes, so in those cases a photo doesen't give you much evidence.
i do have Tbm Long and short jointed, and all the pups i got, are from areole.

Now, my question.
My short jointed one, has a single branch with no areoles  and has never pupped (because there are other segments that do have areole, and are fatter)
what if i do cut it, root it and let it grow? would it become a columnar with undefinite height or it will pup from any part of the skin?


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21781439 - 06/09/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

looks normal imo :shrug:


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21781790 - 06/09/15 05:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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if the areole has small spines, a developed pup will completly cover it sometimes, so in those cases a photo doesen't give you much evidence.
i do have Tbm Long and short jointed, and all the pups i got, are from areole.

Now, my question.
My short jointed one, has a single branch with no areoles  and has never pupped (because there are other segments that do have areole, and are fatter)
what if i do cut it, root it and let it grow? would it become a columnar with undefinite height or it will pup from any part of the skin?




Of course if it pups, everyone will doubt you that it had no areoles. When I get the opportunity to find my pics from when I got the cacti, Ill prove my point. Until then, I stand by my statement that the TBM CAN and WILL pup from smooth skin.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21804495 - 06/14/15 12:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mine is only pupping above areoles.



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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: prismism]
    #21805010 - 06/14/15 05:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have not had time to find my old pictures yet. I am considering the fact that two of the segments were severely etiolated when I got them. One segment in question has the pups growing out of the smooth skin.

I wonder now if the pup still emerged above an areole, but because of etiolation sprouted from the smooth skin 4 inches away. The pupping point above that particular areole might have been stretched.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21805195 - 06/14/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

as bad as an etiolation can be, 4 inches is far away to consider it a pup coming from that areole.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Lemnaminor]
    #21806474 - 06/14/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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as bad as an etiolation can be, 4 inches is far away to consider it a pup coming from that areole.





the only other explanation is pupping from no areole.

Everyone says its impossible, even though I see it.


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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
    #21893825 - 07/03/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Update! And added update pics to OP

Checked it out today and there is new growth on the tip. No new pups have emerged yet.



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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
    #21893897 - 07/03/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

looking positively freaky


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