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Lemnaminor
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
#21777841 - 06/08/15 09:01 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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more than asking for "evidence", i would just like to see that. Can you post it?
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kosmokratorshaman
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Lemnaminor]
#21778317 - 06/08/15 11:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No problem..ofc there is no proof, because there could have been an areole, however, it grew from the tip of a smooth shaft. When I get home from work, ill post it,.
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BigHeart
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Lemnaminor said: Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup. I mean, i see no areoles,
It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.
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kizatzhaddarak said: my guess is splitting from too much water intake.
I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.
Normally I would agree with you on not being able to pup with no areoles. However, Ive seen my TBM pup from smooth skin. It is my belief that the areole cells still exist within the plant, and it can push pups anywhere.
Yeah I'm with you on this one, those TBM are freaky and do things their own way.
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
#21780041 - 06/08/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pic 1 is the whole plant from the side Pic 2 is the whole plant from the top Pic 3 is the pup sprouted from no areole from the side Pic 4 is the pup sprouted from no areole from the top
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karode13
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
#21780429 - 06/08/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup. I mean, i see no areoles,
It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.
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kizatzhaddarak said: my guess is splitting from too much water intake.
I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.
Not trying to be argumentative but I can vouch from personal experience that TBM don't need pre-existing areoles to pup. They can spontaneously pup at the tip if they want and I can provide photo evidence if needed.
If that's the case then its the first I've heard of this happening. A picture would be great if you have it.
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
#21780443 - 06/08/15 07:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup. I mean, i see no areoles,
It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.
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kizatzhaddarak said: my guess is splitting from too much water intake.
I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.
Not trying to be argumentative but I can vouch from personal experience that TBM don't need pre-existing areoles to pup. They can spontaneously pup at the tip if they want and I can provide photo evidence if needed.
If that's the case then its the first I've heard of this happening. A picture would be great if you have it.
My pics are above
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karode13
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I looked at them and it appears to be pupping above an areaole, which is common behaviour when TBM makes new pups. It just looks weird because the joint where the pup has emerged is not as long as the others. I'm not convinced by these pictures that they pup without areoles present.
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kosmokratorshaman
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
#21780509 - 06/08/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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karode13 said: I looked at them and it appears to be pupping above an areaole, which is common behaviour when TBM makes new pups. It just looks weird because the joint where the pup has emerged is not as long as the others. I'm not convinced by these pictures that they pup without areoles present.
Actually, that is just scarring from bad overwintering. Damage near the tip probably caused it to pup. Either way, there is NO areole present at that location. Unfortunately, because some people know so much, they are less inclined to believe even with photo evidence. Beliefs are hard to change.
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karode13
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Show me a picture where the pup emerges and I might change my mind. None of those pictures are showing me what you're trying to convey. They actually confirm what I think. The areoles on that pup are very high, almost in line with that pup in the picture. This supports my view that they pup above areoles. I'm not the only one who thinks this either. I learnt this online years ago and have seen this happening with my plants.
It has nothing to do with knowing anything, I learn new things every day. Your pictures just don't show anything to change my mind. Show me a picture where the pup emerges from the section below.
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
#21780621 - 06/08/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I find it, I will post a pic of the plant prior to the pups emerging. I believe it is on a hard drive on my old computer. I have to pull it, and put it in an enclosure.
There are no areoles on that part of the plant.
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karode13
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Cool as. When you find it upload it.
In the meantime, here's my Pen0r. If you look closely you can see how the pups emerge from above an areole. My plant also pups quite high up on segments, as yours appears to be doing.

Pup emerging:

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kosmokratorshaman
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
#21780734 - 06/08/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yours is all areoles, mine hardly has any
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ferrel_human
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: BigHeart]
#21780774 - 06/08/15 09:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: Giving my 2 cents. i think that is't just tryng to pup. I mean, i see no areoles,
It cannot pup because it has no areoles up there. Pups only come from areoles.
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kizatzhaddarak said: my guess is splitting from too much water intake.
I'd tend to agree with this as well. Either too much water or a combination of excess water and fertiliser.
Not trying to be argumentative but I can vouch from personal experience that TBM don't need pre-existing areoles to pup. They can spontaneously pup at the tip if they want and I can provide photo evidence if needed.
It's too much water and/or fertile but I get what you mean.
I've never had it happen to TBM but I have a blue myrtle spineless monstrose that had no areoles and I wondered if it would ever pup. But it did out of flat skin. I should had never deleted my old pics. I had the pic there.
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: ferrel_human]
#21780957 - 06/08/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Karode, I saw a muppet baby in your planter.. you get a huge smile from me.
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SuperFly
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Does it make a difference on what clone it is? From the pics it looks like you guys have the short jointed ones. I have both clones and the longer ones seem to have little to no areoles
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ferrel_human
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: SuperFly]
#21781058 - 06/08/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have the stubby finger clumping variety.
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: ferrel_human]
#21781093 - 06/08/15 10:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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found these on google... might help what you guys are debating about ?

edit: on close inspection of the pictures I can see areoles near where that top pup is growing from. so I guess I didn't help much lol
Edited by SuperFly (06/08/15 10:29 PM)
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: karode13]
#21781119 - 06/08/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It may also be worth noting that sometimes areoles lose their spines and/or are not as obviously identifiable with bridgesii monstrose. It's possible that the pups are coming out of older areoles that you may not have identified as being areoles.
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Lemnaminor
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: prismism]
#21781345 - 06/08/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if the areole has small spines, a developed pup will completly cover it sometimes, so in those cases a photo doesen't give you much evidence. i do have Tbm Long and short jointed, and all the pups i got, are from areole.
Now, my question. My short jointed one, has a single branch with no areoles and has never pupped (because there are other segments that do have areole, and are fatter) what if i do cut it, root it and let it grow? would it become a columnar with undefinite height or it will pup from any part of the skin?
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Re: Weird growth on Bridgesii monstrous [Re: Lemnaminor]
#21781439 - 06/09/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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looks normal imo
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