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    #21769667 - 06/06/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You are constantly facing choices. A choice is a crossroads where you choose the one or the other.

The silver choice is a choice made, led by Fear, Doubt, Pain. This won't get you further. It will stagnate you. It will keep you in the same degree of duality you are and that hurts.

The golden choice is the choice you make led by Faith, Hope, Love. This will advance you. It will dissolve some duality within you, make you more One.

Ask yourself which of the options is which and you'll know which of the two options is the better one.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante] * 3
    #21769676 - 06/06/15 09:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Could you possibly be more vague? How about choices you make by looking over the facts and picking the best option?


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21769686 - 06/06/15 09:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21769702 - 06/06/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

“Anything is one of a million paths. Therefore you must always keep in mind that a path is only a path; if you feel you should not follow it, you must not stay with it under any conditions. To have such clarity you must lead a disciplined life. Only then will you know that any path is only a path and there is no affront, to oneself or to others, in dropping it if that is what your heart tells you to do. But your decision to keep on the path or to leave it must be free of fear or ambition. I warn you. Look at every path closely and deliberately. Try it as many times as you think necessary.

This question is one that only a very old man asks. Does this path have a heart? All paths are the same: they lead nowhere. They are paths going through the bush, or into the bush. In my own life I could say I have traversed long long paths, but I am not anywhere. Does this path have a heart? If it does, the path is good; if it doesn't, it is of no use. Both paths lead nowhere; but one has a heart, the other doesn't. One makes for a joyful journey; as long as you follow it, you are one with it. The other will make you curse your life. One makes you strong; the other weakens you.


Before you embark on any path ask the question: Does this path have a heart? If the answer is no, you will know it, and then you must choose another path. The trouble is nobody asks the question; and when a man finally realizes that he has taken a path without a heart, the path is ready to kill him. At that point very few men can stop to deliberate, and leave the path. A path without a heart is never enjoyable. You have to work hard even to take it. On the other hand, a path with heart is easy; it does not make you work at liking it.”
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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21769727 - 06/06/15 10:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Stonehenge said:
Could you possibly be more vague? How about choices you make by looking over the facts and picking the best option?





Its not vague, it ius crystal clear, you just don't see whast I mean.

How does one pick the best option? To do this see whether it is the choice of embracing Love, the new, or clinging onto pain out of fear for change.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770180 - 06/06/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Better is an opinion, Asante.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: healing]
    #21770184 - 06/06/15 11:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Better is an opinion, Asante.





That statement is an opinion too.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: healing]
    #21770190 - 06/06/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I would rather let fear stay my hand than wander blindly into the lion's den on the faith that they would not kill me.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770192 - 06/06/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

opinion |əˈpinyən|
noun
a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge: I'm writing to voice my opinion on an issue of great importance | that, in my opinion, is dead right.
• the beliefs or views of a large number or majority of people about a particular thing: the changing climate of opinion.
• (opinion of) an estimation of the quality or worth of someone or something: I had a higher opinion of myself than I deserved.
• a formal statement of advice by an expert on a professional matter: seeking a second opinion from a specialist.
• Law a formal statement of reasons for a judgment given.
• Law a lawyer's advice on the merits of a case.

See, the word opinion has a definition and I am applying it to your statements. Simply, the sentence, "That is an opinion." is a fact. It is a piece of knowledge that can be verified or refuted.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: healing]
    #21770209 - 06/06/15 12:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not saying it aint so, but so was your statement. Theres opinions that hold true and those which don't though.

"the sun is bigger than the earth" is an opinion. "the earth is bigger than the sun" is one too. In absolute size, only one is right.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770232 - 06/06/15 12:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not saying it aint so, but so was your statement. Theres opinions that hold true and those which don't though.

"the sun is bigger than the earth" is an opinion. "the earth is bigger than the sun" is one too. In absolute size, only one is right.




No, Asante. You don't understand the fundamental difference between opinions and facts.

The sun is bigger than the earth is a true fact. You can measure the size of the sun and see that its bigger than the size of the earth. The earth is bigger than the sun is a false fact. Still both facts.

This is fourth grade reading skills. This knowledge is necessary to be able to write a news article, which presents facts gathered from research and opinions from people who have something to say about the facts you are presenting in the article. Newspapers are written at the fourth grade level. You must be able to distinguish facts from opinions to get into middle school.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770241 - 06/06/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Asante said:
You are constantly facing choices. A choice is a crossroads where you choose the one or the other.

The silver choice is a choice made, led by Fear, Doubt, Pain. This won't get you further. It will stagnate you. It will keep you in the same degree of duality you are and that hurts.

The golden choice is the choice you make led by Faith, Hope, Love. This will advance you. It will dissolve some duality within you, make you more One.

Ask yourself which of the options is which and you'll know which of the two options is the better one.




I am an adult now.
I have time but I have to spend it elsewhere to acquire money to survive.
I could choose one thing
but that means spending years upon years of my life
and then I can't choose the other things

Life is so short

Mortality is lame man

It will dissolve some duality within you, make you more One.

:wizard: Impossible for I am both wizard and witch  :wizard:


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: healing]
    #21770253 - 06/06/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A fact can still be an opinion, and an opinion can still be a fact.

Facts and opinions arent opposites.

Read your definition again.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770279 - 06/06/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Whatever you say, man.

The point is this:
"The golden choice is the choice you make led by Faith, Hope, Love. This will advance you. It will dissolve some duality within you, make you more One." is an opinion. Not truth. Not even knowledge.

The only knowledge that can be gained from that statement is that Asante believes that the golden choice is the choice you make led by faith, hope and love.

I believe that the golden choice is to smoke drugs and get high. That's my opinion and it's just as valid as your early Beatles lyrics.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: healing]
    #21770294 - 06/06/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I believe that the golden choice is to smoke drugs and get high.




If you base that drug use on love then yes, its the right choice. If you base it on fear, its the wrong choice.

Use drugs because you love to be high, not because you fear to be sober. See the difference?


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770299 - 06/06/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And if I disagree?


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: healing]
    #21770320 - 06/06/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Thats fine :sun:

You don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you.

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Neither are you here to live up to mine.
I don't owe no one no obligations,
Do I don't mean none, so everything is fine, fine.
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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770356 - 06/06/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The problem is that when we use vague terms like "heart" "love" and so on, they can mean whatever the person wants them to mean. Faith in what? Do you realize the most evil people on earth probably had faith, believed in god and were sure they were doing the right thing? Hitler often spoke of such things, so did bush, Clinton and other evil people.

I believe in many things you have talked about but when you get super vague and tell us the earth may be bigger than the sun you have gone over the edge.

I'm waiting for zappa to chime in for the real fun to begin.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21770379 - 06/06/15 12:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I didnt say the earth is bigger than the sun, I'm saying that either of the statements are opinions. Whether something is fact stands apart from it being an opinion. But there is a qualitative difference in opinions, one is based on fact, the other is not.

What I write is really very clear. That you misunderstand it is no error on my end.


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Re: The choices you face. [Re: Asante]
    #21770390 - 06/06/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That one thread where Asante was being closed minded. *Clicks remind me icon for future purposes*.


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