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    #21769177 - 06/06/15 07:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've been wondering, can the moderators of the sexuality forum and shroomemrites anonymous forums see who is posting? i could have sworn I've seen a mod or two post that they will check sometimes just to see who is posting by making a move to ban or something (I'm not really sure how it works on their end)

if they CAN see who is posting, i think that should be changed and changed ASAP, as they should be able to deal out moderation to anonymous posters without having to know who they are if they break a rule. the banomatic or whatever should still be able to list recommended er.. punishments for said infractions.

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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: 404] * 2
    #21769604 - 06/06/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, moderators of an anonymous forum and backup moderators can see who made an anonymous post, if they bother to go through the steps of issuing a warning for that post. It's not like it pops up in big bold letters or anything, but it's possible to find out if you truly want to. I don't think we're likely to change that in the future since it would require some major updates on our side to issue infractions while still maintaining anonymity (like, possibly rewriting the banomatic updates). I'd advise people to not post anonymously if they don't trust our mods, and if you ever do encounter an instance where a mod is abusing their ability to identify anonymous members, please contact an admin immediately since that's a serious allegation that we'd want to address right away.


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: Ythan]
    #21769857 - 06/06/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

it was a moderator a while back that mentioned it, i don't remember where and i don't remember exactly who so i can't really waste your time any further with that.

would it really be all that difficult? plus, shouldn't the idea of the administration to fix things before they become a problem? it would be hard to really prove that someone was abusing their power in this manner unless i geuss if you had the servers record what their moderation was or something. wouldn't it be a good idea to not give them the option of abusing delicate things like that?


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: 404] * 3
    #21770034 - 06/06/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mods are mods because we trust them and their judgement. If they can't be trusted, they shouldn't be on our staff. Basically, we feel any mod could be an admin given the right circumstances. We don't really try to hide site functionality from them except for pragmatic reasons like when it's destructive or hard to work with.

It would be fairly difficult to update the banomatic system so that anonymous infractions are kept separate from regular infractions. It wouldn't be impossible, it would just take time that I feel would be better spent elsewhere.

If the mods are abusing the functionality it should be obvious when they make a reference to privileged information, correct? That's probably what I'd look for if I wanted to prove a mod was spying on anonymous users. If there's no indication that it's happened can it really be considered a problem?

It's definitely our job to fix things before they become a problem, but in this case I view the "fix" as directly addressing any issues with the mods in question, rather than preemptively removing functionality for our staff. I feel this is a more sustainable approach which will help us identify problems and deal with them before they become major incidents.


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: Ythan]
    #21770329 - 06/06/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, it's definitely been mentioned by some one, and quite possibly off-site, pretty sure in other chat rooms i've participated in the past. As a result i have nothing to give you regarding that. So yes, i do consider it a problem. Perhaps not a widespread problem but a problem none the less.


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: 404] * 1
    #21770996 - 06/06/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You have a very unusual view of what constitutes a problem, then.


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: something super extreme]
    #21771453 - 06/06/15 06:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It doesn't stop there, either.


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: 404] * 1
    #21771523 - 06/06/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just wish people would fill us in and be open about any problems they're having with the site. We really seem to get a lot of this stuff like "somebody said this but I don't really know" and "there are big problems but I'm not going to explain them and be all cryptic instead"...

I guarantee the admins all want to help so if there's some way we can be of assistance, please go ahead and ask and explain exactly what you need. If there's nothing we can do for you and you're just venting, I understand, but please cut us a break and know we're not deliberately endorsing any actions which cause problems for the Shroomery.

Without any kind of chat logs or posts to back up your claims, I don't know what exactly how you want us to help. :shrug:


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: 404]
    #21772311 - 06/06/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Alright, i have a piss poor way of explaining things so i'm sorry if i've come across in a negative manner.. Also, i don't expect much of anything to be done about it, i shouldn't have even brought it up. It did happen, i wouldnt really just make something up like that just for shits n giggleZ

I didn't mean for my tone to come off in a manner that seemed seriously frustrated inthe administration here, i was simply prodding to see what things were and why they were te way they were, in which you answered my questions completely. I should have left it earlier.

I thank the staff for all they do, i mean that


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: Ythan] * 2
    #21779416 - 06/08/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't care to get any mod in trouble, but at some point I'm pretty sure a mod not only revealed an anon post of mine, but also told a user the name of my continuation account.

I generally trust the mods here and don't think many abuse their powers in this aspect, but obviously it does happen, often times with power comes corruption.

I don't think it's a big problem, and I also don't feel as though I'm owed anything, but I'll throw out a suggestion.

Would it be too hard to implement something that would log when a mod checks the identity of an anon poster? I feel that would help to curb the "problem", if it could really even be considered a problem.

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I've been wondering, can the moderators of the sexuality forum and shroomemrites anonymous forums see who is posting? i could have sworn I've seen a mod or two post that they will check sometimes just to see who is posting by making a move to ban or something (I'm not really sure how it works on their end)

if they CAN see who is posting, i think that should be changed and changed ASAP, as they should be able to deal out moderation to anonymous posters without having to know who they are if they break a rule. the banomatic or whatever should still be able to list recommended er.. punishments for said infractions.

thoughts?



That wouldn't really work in most instances, for example let's say a mod is trying to tell if a SA thread is a troll thread or not, well they may need to check who the user is, and their banomatic history so they can tell if the user has a history of making troll threads, etc...


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: something super extreme]
    #21779792 - 06/08/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I may not understand really why you have me on ignore except when i post here in this forum... But i have to agree with everything you've posted here save the last part.
It would work if the banomatic results still come up with generalized infractions that the anon poster has made in the past. I do like what you have suggested however as it would give the administration more overview over the actions of the staff. That's what i was kind of alluding to earlier.

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You have a very unusual view of what constitutes a problem, then.





Revisiting this, it really is a problem if a member of staff has indicated (on site or not) that they check poster's identities that's not really unusual is it?


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Re: question regarding anonymous posting, moderators and the respective forums [Re: Ythan]
    #21815366 - 06/16/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Back when the anon forum was first created Pris mentioned that he could see who was posting anonymously despite not being a moderator of that forum. As I recall, the issue was then fixed. This may be what 404 was referring to.

I don't think it was revealed publically what the workaround for unprivledged moderators was, but I assume it was via the banomatic or something.


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