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WindWisperer

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First PF Tek Cultivation
#21768678 - 06/06/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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[EDIT] Here is my journal where I moved updated stuff: WBS / PF Tek Journal
Here are a few of my 12 jars that are 13 days along. Awesome rhizo. structure I'd say! Very excited to see where it goes from here.
Genes: Maza. Method: Spore Syringe
Recipe used: 2 parts verm, 1 part BRF, water to field capacity
I was concerned I may have added too much water, my verm was on the finer side, and ended up holding more water than the coarse stuff. I sterilized in a pot with rocks on top, and lids on the bottom to space the jars away from the heat source. I sterilized for 90 minutes at a calm boil/simmer. When I took them out there was a bit of water resting on the inside of the lid, which made me concerned that the dry verm layer might have gotten moist. So far all seems to be turning out very well despite these small things!
They have been inoculating in a tub in tub chamber that stays at a consistent 75-76 degrees F. 50% humidity on average, with just a blanket over the top to allow for air exchange. Would you suggest just leaving them out in the open in 70-72 degrees ambient temps?




[EDIT 07/16] This is my second grow, including 6 KSSS, and 6 Chitwan. I am also undertaking some Agar work from a 10g Maz fruit that performed well.
-6 Days after Noc- (KSSS)

-9 Days after Noc- (KSSS)

-12 Days after Noc- (KSSS)

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This is transfer one after growing out for a few days! Great rhizomorphic growth, and fast to boot!


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Edited by WindWisperer (07/27/15 01:54 AM)
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Make sure to add the water to the verm and get that to field capacity and then add the brf. Water inside the jar lid? Did you put aluminum foil around the lids before sterilizing? Leaving them out on a shelf in room temp is preferred and light is beneficial at all stages of growth.
Edited by insanemike (06/06/15 02:44 AM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: insanemike]
#21768754 - 06/06/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Make sure to add the water to the verm and get that to field capacity and then add the brf. Water inside the jar lid? Did you put aluminum foil around the lids before sterilizing? Leaving them out on a shelf in room temp is preferred and light is beneficial at all stages of growth.
I meant a very small amount of water around a few of the inoculation points on maybe 4 of the jars had accumulated on the top of the lid. Yes I used foil when I boiled, but this only seemed to affect a few points on 4 jars. I used the recipe, then added the BRF, and it seemed much too dry so I added a tad more water until I got the few droplets when squeezed.
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I would always lean more toward the dry side. Too much moisture can cause more problems then if it were a little on the dry side. Besides, you add more moisture when noc'ing them up anyway.
Edited by insanemike (06/06/15 02:54 AM)
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Oh and of course, the tek followed to a T. I did however not use a SAB, I instead opted for a sealed off bathroom cleaned with bleach, and sprayed with disinfectant before entering. Masks, gloves, and a torch for sterilizing the needle between each jar was practiced. Thanks for the advise, I'll take them out of the TIT chamber tomorrow when I do the 4 day check. I'll take more pictures of said jars in the former pictures for reference of growth as well!
What recipe do you follow that seems to work? I used a natural VERM that seemed much finer than the Home Depot stuff people seem to be using around here. I a investing in a PC soon, I'm looking into either a 12qt, or a 16-23 qt if I can find one reasonably priced. Hopefully that will make the process a little simpler!
Edited by WindWisperer (06/06/15 02:56 AM)
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No need for a sab when injecting into an injection port. Although I would if I were you plan on building one and get use to using it, for you will need it for future endeavors. Great job so far, the jars look good.
Edited by insanemike (06/06/15 03:00 AM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: insanemike]
#21769131 - 06/06/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks good keep us updated!
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Element1]
#21772770 - 06/07/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bump with small update! They came along along well the past 4 days, all of them doubled in area covered by myc! Still not quite there yet from the looks of it. Do some cakes end up showing some substrate still, or should I expect it to be 100% white when it is finished?

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Cakes are usually completely white while bulk subs like coir may be a little thinner at parts making the sub a bit more visible through the myc IME.
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Everything should be white but it can look a bit translucent with some grain or verm showing through. You need to let them consolidate for atleast a week after full colonization which should give the myc enough time to thicken up.
Edited by insanemike (06/07/15 03:51 AM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: insanemike]
#21772802 - 06/07/15 03:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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insanemike said: Everything should be white but it can look a bit translucent with some grain or verm showing through. You need to let them consolidate for atleast a week after full colonization which should give the myc enough time to thicken up.
Okay so full colonization is described as the whole jar being lightly covered to fully covered by myc, and consolidating it is just allowing it to fill in? The clearer pic I posted, given that the whole jar is covered that way; how far along would you say it is? These are roughly 16 days along now.
Edited by WindWisperer (06/07/15 03:59 AM)
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Well the pic on the right looks like it's ready for that week of consolidation but the pic on the left is tough to judge because of the lighting.
Edited by insanemike (06/07/15 04:41 AM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: insanemike]
#21775343 - 06/07/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can probably start consolidation on the left as well
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21781480 - 06/09/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Here's a small update with 2 pics. I separated out 4 jars because they have a bit of yellowish to them. I assume this is only metabolites, but I've been keeping an eye on them. The other jars are filling in quite nicely!
Let me know if this is not metabolites, and they should be chucked! They have no bad smells coming from them (I smelled closely around the noc points.)

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I'm concerned about that creamy growth over top of that healthy looking myc.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: insanemike]
#21799752 - 06/12/15 09:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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About to birth 6 jars that are for sure done, I will update with pictures tomorrow. Given the colonization time etc should I let them dunk for 12 or 24 hours? Also I cannot keep the water lower than 50 degrees F. for longer than a few hours, should I put them in the fridge?
Also I realized I made a critical error, the water I used was in fact distilled. I am surprised I haven't had issues, they will be put in tap water for the dunk.
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Looks super healthy mate. Those runners! Should fruit nicely after you let them consolidate.
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Quote:
WindWisperer said: About to birth 6 jars that are for sure done, I will update with pictures tomorrow. Given the colonization time etc should I let them dunk for 12 or 24 hours? Also I cannot keep the water lower than 50 degrees F. for longer than a few hours, should I put them in the fridge?
I'd go 12 hours but others will say 24. Your call  Yes, put them in the fridge
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WindWisperer said: Also I realized I made a critical error, the water I used was in fact distilled. I am surprised I haven't had issues, they will be put in tap water for the dunk.
Huh? Distilled water IMO is definitely preferable to tap water which has chlorine and fluorine added.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
#21800033 - 06/12/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had read somewhere not to use distilled water, oh well I'll just use carbon purified tap water next time so there are no hard deposits. They will have been consolidating for a week as of tomorrow! I'm very excited, and only one jar has lagged behind really badly from the rest. 6 jars are for sure 100% ready to fruit. I'll do the other 6 in a few days since they were about 30% behind the others. I'm going to poke the holes in my sgfc tomorrow, and lay down the perlite. About 5 inches of perlite is optimal aye?
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The only reason to not use distilled water is because of the benefits of additional minerals in spring water. I suspect all tap and bottled water, but that's just me 
I've heard 4" but of course the only important point is to raise your humidity level to the correct level. Depends on your setup.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
#21800479 - 06/13/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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5 inch MINIMUM. 3-4 inches rarely ever cuts it. Also putting a window screen down before laying perlite is a great idea. Biggest annoyance is those bottom holes getting clogged. If you keep them unclogged you'll have great fae and humidity.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21808267 - 06/14/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll post pics when I get home, they are in the sgfc now! Should I mist the cakes directly for the first mist, then mist indirectly I.E. the perlite and the tub wall a few times a day, then fan afterwards? Do I have that right? I have a humidity meter in the tub to make sure humidity levels stay good, I should shoot for 100% right?
Edited by WindWisperer (06/14/15 09:31 PM)
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Mist directly ALL the time. Cakes and perlite. What would misting the walls do besides evaporating into the outside air?..
50%-95% humidity is good. You want fluctuations. It's a box with hundreds of holes ffs. It's impossible to keep at 100% humidity. Keep the cakes moist/damp/glistening 24/7. Don't get them wet with pooled water or dried out.
Edited by Mad Season (06/14/15 09:37 PM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21808734 - 06/14/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am following the lets grow pf tek videos, I rolled em, let them sit for 30 minutes then misted really well twice in an hour and a half. Humidity is fluctuating between 85 and 95%. I've got a 6500 cfl on them now here's my plan:
Mist and fan 3 times a day Light 12 hr on 12 hr off
I'm feeling good about these guys!
Edited by WindWisperer (06/15/15 01:51 AM)
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Wait humidity is 85-98 or temp in F?
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21808832 - 06/14/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Mist directly ALL the time. Cakes and perlite. What would misting the walls do besides evaporating into the outside air?..
I'm sure he's talking about the inside walls which would raise RH
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
#21808850 - 06/14/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It does nothing, and is a myth that just needs to die. Also with a higher humidity, you'd have lower evaporation rates, so even if it did raise rh (which it doesn't. Perlite does), it's still counterproductive. I've never misted the walls of any chamber. Just saying.
For future reference you want a high surface humidity on the mycelium achieved with misting until it's glistening 24/7, a lower rh around it so it can evaporate 24/7, and lots of fae. That's the key to fruiting.
Edited by Mad Season (06/15/15 12:00 AM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21808859 - 06/15/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: It does nothing, and is a myth that just needs to die. Also with a higher humidity, you'd have lower evaporation rates, so even if it did raise rh (which it doesn't. Perlite does), it's still counterproductive. I've never misted the walls of any chamber. Just saying.
So water in the perlite is somehow magically different that water on the sides of the container? Fascinating.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
#21808864 - 06/15/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And here I thought you wanted an intelligent conversation. Obviously you haven't read how a shotgun works because you wouldn't be saying that.
Misting the walls on a chamber that pushes humidity up would just push it into the air outside the box. Keeping the moisture in the perlite is how you keep humidity up because it pushes air through the perlite providing humidity, also provides good fae too. This is done with holes on the bottom, and elevated 6 inches. This is also why we only use perlite on a shotgun, since it's good at wicking moisture up into the air.
Edited by Mad Season (06/15/15 12:16 AM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21808888 - 06/15/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: And here I thought you wanted an intelligent conversation. Obviously you haven't read how a shotgun works because you wouldn't be saying that.
Misting the walls on a chamber that pushes humidity up would just push it into the air outside the box. Keeping the moisture in the perlite is how you keep humidity up because it pushes air through the perlite providing humidity, also provides good fae too.
Moisture on the side evaporates, driving air thru the FAE holes. The combination of moisture in the perlite and wall sides is ideal because there is more AIR EXCHANGE. If there is only air in the perlite it will collect on the walls thus reducing air exchange.
The only 'bad' moisture is on the top because it can drip onto the cakes / sub.
I have read about how a shotgun works and have experience using it.
I'm curious as to why when folks on these forums disagree they always wind up insulting those they disagree with.
This forum has 2.5 million posts. There are a lot of ways to grow cubes and a lot of varying opinions. Surely we can disagree without insulting or being condescending.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
#21808906 - 06/15/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I didn't insult you.. I kinda doubt many people have. I find them all pleasant and nice. Just because someone is informing you, doesn't mean they're rude or condescending. Lots of people seem to take it this way. Also I was pretty shocked you said "So water in the perlite is somehow magically different that water on the sides of the container? Fascinating." Because it isn't just magically better. It's quite laid out in how it works as to why it's the main source and a necessity. Thus I said you've obviously not read it (or understood it) to know that it's quite obviously better, not just magically.
It's quite dependant on the perlite being damp. The walls don't matter. They usually have condensation on them anyways. I'm sure you'll have more than enough air exchange with hundreds of holes, and if you keep the bottom ones unplugged. This has been discussed too many times to count and every TC seems to agree what matters is direct misting along with misting the perlite. Nuff said.
Edited by Mad Season (06/15/15 12:37 AM)
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21809051 - 06/15/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I corrected my previous post, I meant humidity not temp LOL! Temp is roughly 72-75 on average from readings taken 30 minutes after the last mist of the night. Also I appreciate the help, and advice on this forum, it has helped a lot and I wouldn't have been able to do this without the assistance found here!
Here's the pics I promised!






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Looks great!   
Any idea of the rh?
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
#21809145 - 06/15/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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RH is room humidity, or relative humidity right? It's about 50-60% outside of the tub. On average 85-95% inside.
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RH is relative humidity. What's important is inside the tub.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
#21830814 - 06/20/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay here are some picture updates. I realized I must be lacking FAE since there was some extraordinarily spiky Mycelial growth happening on one of the cakes. They look healthy, but I also think I might be over watering as one of the cakes had an obvious amount of water just hanging out on top of it. I lost 1 of my other jars to what looks like TRICH (it is getting tossed) and 2 others are questionable, but might just be metabolites. I started airing out the area the Mushrooms are in quite a bit more to help alleviate what I think is a FAE issue at this point.
Questionable, possibly metabolites? Can someone chime in on this one, this is staying in the jar until I figure it out.

In vitro pinning I didn't catch after not looking at the jars for 4 days! I'm bummed my first pin on ANY cake is in vitro. This cake is soaking right now before going in the SGFC.


Spiky Mycelial growth on the one, looks healthy otherwise.

I further trimmed the aluminum foil, and re moistened the Perlite underneath since they are taking longer to pin than usual.
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I'll take some better pictures of the two jars I suspect of contam. I'm 50% sure they are just metabolites, but they are more brown than I have seen on other cakes by far. The jar that pinned invitro is going into the SGFC today! I'll at least have one that is way ahead of the curve.
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Those guys look very wet. You should cut back on the misting for a day and fan a lot. You want them damp, not wet.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21833926 - 06/20/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I will read the rest, but trust me, cutting back on misting was the best thing I ever did(and caused pinning!) stop for a day and then lightly mist for the next 2 days, works wonders.
also, sometimes pinning in vitro is a sign of contams, the mycelium try and reproduce before they die, defense mechanism I suppose. MIght not be fact, but I have read that a couple times, posted by a TC once or twice. Just something to take into consideration.
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firstTIMER420 said: I will read the rest, but trust me, cutting back on misting was the best thing I ever did(and caused pinning!) stop for a day and then lightly mist for the next 2 days, works wonders.
also, sometimes pinning in vitro is a sign of contams, the mycelium try and reproduce before they die, defense mechanism I suppose. MIght not be fact, but I have read that a couple times, posted by a TC once or twice. Just something to take into consideration.
I definitely took this into consideration, I popped that puppy out of the jar and it smelled like fresh mushrooms, but had some yellowing from metabolites I would guess. It will be isolated though, just to be absolutely sure. You guys are right, it probably pinned first either from fighting off contams, or just plain being more dry than the ones in the tub.
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Visual metabolites on a substrate don't always mean contams. Depending on genetics and substrate specificty, secondary metabolites can be excreted due to reaching a natural or artificial boundary. They can also be excreted due stress to the mycelium network from unfavorable environmental conditions.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: insanemike]
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insanemike said: Visual metabolites on a substrate don't always mean contams. Depending on genetics and substrate specificty, secondary metabolites can be excreted due to reaching a natural or artificial boundary. They can also be excreted due stress to the mycelium network from unfavorable environmental conditions.
That would make sense given that I made my jars way too moist, and my mixture wasn't airy enough.
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I checked on them today, haven't watered for a day. I will let them go another day without water, and water tomorrow night. I noticed that the one that was pinning in vitro started doing some funky stuff. The single mushroom coming off of it got fuzzy since the last time I saw it. On another note I got my first actual normal pin! It has popped up as of today on one of the cakes. Thanks for the watering advice, I'm sure it will make a world of a difference! I'll post pictures tomorrow.
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good links that helped me and countless other people:
-misted cake project(what properly misted cakes should look like) http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21595437
-what it should and shouldn't look like(contams and such) http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17231150/fpart/1/vc/1
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Small update with pics! Pins!!!!
Here's the fuzzy one that pinned in vitro I was talking about



A little bit of yellowing on the edges of this one



Edited by WindWisperer (06/24/15 11:02 AM)
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Looks beautiful! that fuzzy in vitro guy, I'd let him chill for a few days at least. Don't need to harm your cakes for a slow pin/abort. I'd just pick it when you're picking your first harvest from the cake.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21849953 - 06/24/15 11:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: PussyFart]
#21849960 - 06/24/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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that too my man.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
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Thanks man! I'll just let him do his thing in that case. I felt the verm on top of one of the cakes at the time of taking this picture, it still felt damp. Should I let it dry out even more before misting, or should I mist it lightly before it gets dry to the touch? Right now they haven't been misted since Monday night.
[EDIT] Just trying not to botch it since I way over watered earlier in these cakes lives.
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You don't want it to get dry to the touch. You want it really close to being wet without having any pooled up water 24/7. Also known as glistening wet 24/7. What you had was puddles on the top of the cakes before. I'd go ahead and give them a light mist, based off your pics. One has yellow staining on the corner from getting dry, so you're overdue for a mist anyway.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
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Mad Season said: You don't want it to get dry to the touch. You want it really close to being wet without having any pooled up water 24/7. Also known as glistening wet 24/7. What you had was puddles on the top of the cakes before. I'd go ahead and give them a light mist, based off your pics. One has yellow staining on the corner from getting dry, so you're overdue for a mist anyway.
Okay thanks for the misting advice. I had no idea what the yellowing was, thanks for clearing that up as well!
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I thought the yellowing was bacteria, shows what I know!
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On another note I have decided to put my big boy pants on and do a Bulk grow in the near future. I have the stuff to do Pasty Plates, and I will be following Franks' Bulk grow method with Coir/WBS. I am just waiting on that precious 23qt Pressure Cooker!
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franks 12 step? exactly what im making the step to. gonna be fun! im just gonna wait on the pasty plates for now, have a feeling the timing isn't rigt since I just started a new job and cannot give them the full attention they deserve.
what brand of jars are those?
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You're silly. Agar requires very little attention. A lot less than tubs or jars imo. Very easy to manage too
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firstTIMER420 said: franks 12 step? exactly what im making the step to. gonna be fun! im just gonna wait on the pasty plates for now, have a feeling the timing isn't rigt since I just started a new job and cannot give them the full attention they deserve.
what brand of jars are those?
Ball, but I got the plastic lids because they are cheap, easy to punch big holes in, and I still have the metal lids if I want to do something else with em. Yeah I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little nervous about agar, I need to step up my sterilization game by a LOT for when I start doing transfers, and colonizing jars with agar wedges. A SAB seems to be a must when you are doing open air transfers like that.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
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I agree, they are easy to make, that is, if you have a hole saw! The key is shoulder length apart to make sure your comfortable. I used my 4 inch hole saw and it was done in like 2 minutes. Also, I recommend placing it upside down on the table, with a fresh towel where the top is touching the table, to make sure there are no drafts coming in from the bottom.(lid off)
I followed this exactly every time I do it, and have had 0 contams(out of 12 jars, 6 each time) be
if you follow that and RR's notes on his vids when inoculating youll be 100% fine.
and ill tell you, I was nervous my first time, but it also made me pay attention more. People say the key with SAB is minimize your movements, think about what your going to do before you do it.
and I also have a 100qt tub(like 106 or something I forget)
Good luck!
Also, what tek did you follow to make your lids for those quart jars? im doing a monotub yet and I haven't decided on a lid design, but I think I wanna do polyfill stuffed like yours. how big is the hole(what bit used)
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Hole saw works really well and is the best way to do it. Check out my video I posted for an alternative if you don't have a hole saw cause I just used the bottom of a coffee can, and melted my arm holes. I love melting my plastics apparently. That's how I made my monotub holes too. Took a 1" socket, torched it til red hot, and melted my mono holes.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
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Thanks for the advice, I'm sure I have a few old 'nuts n bolts' hardware tins around. If not I have a shoddy soldering iron I don't care about anymore, since I have a hakko now. I will look for the coffee can first though since it will make a cleaner hole I think! The biggest hole saw I've ever used is a 2 inch, so LOL that's a big step! Expensive too.
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Trich, or bruising? It appears to be a greyish blue in person but I am not totally sure.

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Getting even spikier?
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Bruising for the first one. That's odd shaped pins on the last one. I'd keep an eye on it. Maybe make them face outwards for more fae.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
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I got my PC today!! Like Christmas, or Hanukka, or whatever else floats your boat.
I'm going to get some Agar plates done, and then do some grains, then some more cakes for good measure, I'm just excited! I'll update this thread when I do more cakes, but I'll start a separate Agar to Mono thread later.
Thanks for the help my Canadian friends!
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the first one is bruising. and the pins mad is talking about, mine looked the same on spots where I had bacterial growth from over watering, they were really white on top when they grew out but eventually some of them turned normal color.
to stop the bruising, when misting try to make sure you got that part good and moist.
btw I think that is aerial mycelium from lack of FAE. to fix this you can remove the cakes for like 5 minutes and while they are removed you re-mix the perlite in the chamber to make sure its not packed down, then run a pen or whatever thru all the holes the perlite covers, mainly the bottom, then add the cakes back in, should fix the problem.
might wanna try the saucer trick, put each of the cakes on a saucer with a little bit of water AFTER the pins appear, they suck in the water pump it into the pins, they get bigger I can attest.
Your on the most exciting part man, keep it up!
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It turns out that spiky growth on the one cake is that super rare contaminant mushroom that is thin with a greyish stem and cap. It is isolated, and will be buried later.
I'll post pictures later! I put them in dishes of water, poked the perlite out of the holes, and moistened the perlite.
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Haha figured. I was like that doesn't look like no cube pins I've seen. Glad you kept an eye on it haha
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21871736 - 06/29/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here are the pics I promised, for some reason they wouldn't upload properly yesterday so here are some from yesterday, and new ones from today!
Here is that WEIRD as hell contaminant mushroom that seems to only occur on this forum 4 times a year..


I am getting a few caps that have opened prematurely, should I decapitate them to keep them from sporulating?



Here is a pic after I misted, and refilled the little saucers with water. Does this look correct? I also fanned for about 2 minutes straight.
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Workman said: #2 Small Gray Unknown (Spikes)
A less common but not rare contaminate, sometimes mistaken for Panaeolus or malformed Pleurotus (oyster mushrooms). The mushrooms are small and thin with white spores. The cap and stem are the same color, usually grayish. Reported about once a year on this forum. This is almost certainly a collection of similar species since there is some variability in appearance. Collybia is a possible genus. The contamination source is apparently environmental spore load. Not active or edible, possibly poisonous. DO NOT EAT!

Threads with for above images
Rahz (2005) bensoncd1990 (2007) juggaloskater (2008) gmarkball (2011) Scarousel (2012) F4112N (2012) capncaveman (2014)
Microscopy of juggaloskater specimen

The reports of this rarer type of contaminate are hard to find in the forums since they lack common search keywords, so let me know if I missed any. I am pretty sure I've seen a few more over the years.
Haha looks like it. Weird. That's a hilariously crazy first contamination. My first contamination I've never seem anything like it yet. Close to cinnamon mold.
As for the premature open one, I'd just pick it.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
#21871756 - 06/29/15 01:59 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thanks Mad, I'm glad I didn't let my freaky shroomies get that far along! I'll just go ahead and pick the one tomorrow then when I have the spot to stick it somewhere.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: YaMoonSun]
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good job keeping an eye on that shit man, that's a first for me, ive never even heard about that contam until today, im glad I saw this though.
Makes you wonder how that got contaminated like that, like was it in the spores in the syringe or what, either way that is whack!
Can you post some pictures of the fruits thus far?
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I'll have some updated pics of the fruits tomorrow! I know it is a weird one, I happened to know what it was because I went through the thread listing it, I only recognized it because it had pictures. What's more is it seems to only affect a cake or two, not spreading super easily like trich.
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Here is the one that opened up prematurely about 24 hours later, nearly doubled in size. Should I just decapitate it at this point since it is growing so well?
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Here is the same cake with a huge amount of growth! I am getting a lot of mutants that are opening up on just a quarter of the cap though. What do you guys think I should do, harvest all the goofy mutants that are opening way premature?



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yes, if they are opening up premature before the majority.
also, take the temp/rH thermometer out and only use it if you have doubts or think something might be wrong, otherwise itll break.
did you end up taking those infected cakes out of the chamber.
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Yes I took the infected mushrooms out! There seems to be no other problems with contams related to those mushrooms. I am just dealing with the goofy premature opening caps. I'll take the Hygrometer out of the chamber, you're right it hasn't done me any favors. None of them seem to be releasing spores though.
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that's a good thing! sporesplosion can ruin future flushes and from what ive read there is dispute that it can cause contams(idk how true that is though)
Would you say the premature mushies look like blobs? If so, look that up because there are plenty of posts regarding getting blobs on the first flush, and others as well. Although people dispute what causes mushrooms to form like this, im sure you can look at what people are saying and weed out the conditions similar in your grow, and then try to eliminate them and get some nice BEAUTIFUL mushroom friends!
im not sure if you said it already but what strain is it?
good luck man, btw, I wanna see some nice fruit pics when you get some!
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firstTIMER420 said: that's a good thing! sporesplosion can ruin future flushes and from what ive read there is dispute that it can cause contams(idk how true that is though)
Would you say the premature mushies look like blobs? If so, look that up because there are plenty of posts regarding getting blobs on the first flush, and others as well. Although people dispute what causes mushrooms to form like this, im sure you can look at what people are saying and weed out the conditions similar in your grow, and then try to eliminate them and get some nice BEAUTIFUL mushroom friends!
im not sure if you said it already but what strain is it?
good luck man, btw, I wanna see some nice fruit pics when you get some!
The little goofy ones do have a blob-y quality to them, but I think that is offset by the fact that they are Mazatapec. I've seen a few threads with other people who had Maz, and they opened prematurely on the first flush. I'm assuming it is a fluke that has to do with certain maz genetics. I will let them continue to grow, and the first sign they aren't growing anymore, or right as the gills darken up like they are about to release spores I will pick them! On another note at least the second flush seems to work out well. I would have probably just gone with B+ if I had known Maz was a lot more prone to goofy mutants from the get go, but I have decided to just appreciate the goofy little dudes, and give them the best I can anyways!
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i gotcha. I went with B+ because everyone seems to say like it is a good strain to start with, hardy, easy to grow. It was very hardy and i will attest to that. My cakes turned DARK blue and still put out 3 flushes, it was insane. The only thing im pissed about is that the potency wasn't really there.
It kinda sucked, i ate 4.5g and tripped mildly. But, i think it might be from the dehydrator i used because it runs at 165F. Im going to research more into this.
Also, i would think the later flushes would turn out better. But for some reason my later flushes turned out weird, fuzzy stems, and contamed when i tried drying them with damprid.
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Wasn't the dehydrator. You can run it on full power and it still wont have any noticable effect on the potency.
More likely genetics. MS is a crapshoot.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: mushmagic]
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I had a golden teacher syringe but fucked that up, and am currently growing mexi cubs so hopefully those wil be more potent. I also have some Treasure Coast syringes but im thinking about getting some fresh TC caps and printing them myself and making my own syringes to make sure i get some good potency before wasting all tis time for shitty shrooms again.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: mushmagic]
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mushmagic said: Wasn't the dehydrator. You can run it on full power and it still wont have any noticable effect on the potency.
More likely genetics. MS is a crapshoot.
also brf seems to love throwing unpotent mushies. Certain genetics seems to make better use of the nutrients. However using manure both me and azur have never had a weak MS mushroom.
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mushmagic said: Wasn't the dehydrator. You can run it on full power and it still wont have any noticable effect on the potency.
More likely genetics. MS is a crapshoot.
To add some gaurantee to this. None of ourTC's would be dehydrating mushrooms in a dehydrator if it effected potency.
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mushmagic said: Wasn't the dehydrator. You can run it on full power and it still wont have any noticable effect on the potency.
More likely genetics. MS is a crapshoot.
To add some gaurantee to this. None of ourTC's would be dehydrating mushrooms in a dehydrator if it effected potency.
To add again, cronicr once pressure cooked mushrooms with no potency loss. Heat doesn't do shit. The longer they're wet, the less potent they get.
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firstTIMER420 said: It kinda sucked, i ate 4.5g and tripped mildly. But, i think it might be from the dehydrator i used because it runs at 165F. Im going to research more into this.
The dehydrator did nothing to the potency, the actives dont break down till far past 300f.
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The contaminated because u did not fan dry them first, you just threw them in there wet and overloaded the damprid.....dessicants will only get the last 10-15% of moisture left in the fruits.
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firstTIMER420 said: It kinda sucked, i ate 4.5g and tripped mildly. But, i think it might be from the dehydrator i used because it runs at 165F. Im going to research more into this.
The dehydrator did nothing to the potency, the actives dont break down till far past 300f.
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firstTIMER420 said: Also, i would think the later flushes would turn out better. But for some reason my later flushes turned out weird, fuzzy stems, and contamed when i tried drying them with damprid.
The contaminated because u did not fan dry them first, you just threw them in there wet and overloaded the damprid.....dessicants will only get the last 10-15% of moisture left in the fruits.
Interesting, I assumed you just want to fan dry so the outside is dry then the desiccant will take care of what is inside. I have a few mushrooms I let dry in open air with a fan for about 24 hours, then put them in the damprid. It is pretty dry here, so they seemed fine to go in to the damprid after 24 hours.
I've also got 12 more pf tek jars on the way! I am noccing them up with 6 KSSS, and 6 Chitwan. I also have 6 grain jars with MS KSSS doing their thing right now. This time I actually did the correct water ratio for my mixture, and actually pressure cooked it. I am having a good feeling about these cakes! I'm still not sure if I should take a clone of any of my current mushrooms I have, I picked a pretty decent sized one yesterday but it was a typical little Maz. It also opened up premature, and I don't want a whole mono doing that!
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Here are pictures updating what I am doing now! I just inoculated my 12 jars today, and I am seeing the first signs of growth in the grain jars. I've got what I am guessing is 3.5 grams or so drying now.
The majority of this first flush are mutants, or premature openers, only a few aborts so far.





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Here are more pics before another small picking, I saw that some of them were getting darkened gills so I picked them before they sporulated.


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They need air! Fuzzy feet like crazy!
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I know.. I just am trying to figure out how to get more air to them in the spot they are at. I mist and fan 3 times a day, and fan really well. I'm not sure how else to go about it other than having a fan blowing indirect air into the area they are in.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: PussyFart]
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i got lazy and didn't want to set up my fan, it was only part of my last flush though, 12g wet.
And, the second to last flush, i left them in my room for a day before drying because i didn't want to dry just a couple of mushrooms, probably what affected the potency.
as far as the fuzzy feet, my very last flush had fuzzy feet for some reason. I too, did everything i could to fix the FAE in the chamber, but it was the same as i had for the rest of the flushes. My theory is, as the cake gets older and produces more flushes, it obviously takes more nutrients out of the substrate and the mushrooms produced for some reason are weaker and produce fuzzy feet. I havent put a lot of thought into it, but only my last flush had fuzzy feet, none of the others.
Oh, and don't have a fan blowing indirect air in the room, it can mess up the way the SGFC works and actually reduce FAE. I have been told this by a couple TC's and other successful growers, idk if its true but mine turned out fine without the fan.
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I'm sure this has been rehashed a bunch of times but I have a question. I inoculated 6 PF jars with KSSS, and 6 quart grain jars with KSSS as well. I accidentally dried out the WBS a bit I think, trying to pass the sticking to the hand / leaving moisture on TP test. I already see growth on the PF jars after just 3 days, but absolutely nothing on the grain jars after a week and a half. I'm going to just allow them to keep going, but I think I messed up a bit by not inoculating against the glass, I more or less dropped 6 drops around the middle of the jar.
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Yea it very well might be colonizing in the middle where you cant see it since you didnt let it run down the wall of the jar.
Just gotta wait it out now.
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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: mushmagic]
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Here are a few pictures of the latest thing! By the way my grain jars have started showing a tad bit of mycelium growth! Just a tich tho.. 
The KSSS is 6 days along as of this photo, and the Chitwan is also 6 days, they are on the left.
Here is a picture of my best performing clone on Pasty Plates! It was cloned from my heaviest best performing shroom that weighed 10g wet, I plan on putting it on grains in the future.


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how are the grain jars coming along?
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Here is an update on my newest thing!! Very good rhizomorphic growth can be observed Also in one of my grain jars I just started seeing growth! Should i assume they are all like that, and shake when I first see growth? That would be 25% colonized at least I would guess since I inoculated down the middle. Also I noticed what appears to be sporulating trich in one of my agar plates after leaving for 3 days. Should I try to transfer it since the growth seems really good? Compared to the other plates it is WAY ahead, the others aren't even 10% of that plate. I can't tell if it is also a contam, but I see what appears to be rhizomorphic growth at the base of the big ball of 'mycelium'.



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Wait until 30% colonized to shake.
Yes, transfer the healthy mycelium growth to a new plate / plates. That's one of the purposes of agar, to transfer away from contams.
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nice man!
looking good for sure, must be doing something right. Im starting my grain jars today so wish me luck, as well as my agar.
PM me when you get a chance dude.
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firstTIMER420 said: nice man!
looking good for sure, must be doing something right. Im starting my grain jars today so wish me luck, as well as my agar.
PM me when you get a chance dude.
I am starting 6 new grain jars today, getting them ready for when I transfer agar wedges! I am doing the no simmer method Jedi posted about a year ago, a lot of people have seen good results with it! With the Penningtons seed I had a hard time controlling bursting of the seeds with the simmer, wish me luck!
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Another update! I finally opened up that one Agar plate that had trich, but also an amazingly grown out circle of mycelium! It seems to be a perfect balance between a little fuzzy, but super rhizomorphic. I transfered two wedges onto new agar plates. Also here are the Chitwan, and KSSS PF jars.
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'fuzzy' growth = tomentose, which is natural
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hey man, can you link jedis agar tek?
are you going to spawn those cakes to bulk? im going to make some cakes tomorrow to do that with, im tired of the inconsistent.
btw I ordered 2 pan cyan syringes and some penis envy, along with 6 others I cannot wait to try out!!
I will definitely hit you up tomorrow man, and get the ball rolling.
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Update! The first transfer is coming right along, I put one right side up, and one upside down on accident lol, I just left it there, whatever.
The growth has been tremendous over the past 24 hours! No contams in sight. Here is a better picture I was able to take, sorry for the condensation.

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firstTIMER420 said: hey man, can you link jedis agar tek?
are you going to spawn those cakes to bulk? im going to make some cakes tomorrow to do that with, im tired of the inconsistent.
btw I ordered 2 pan cyan syringes and some penis envy, along with 6 others I cannot wait to try out!!
I will definitely hit you up tomorrow man, and get the ball rolling.
I feel dumb I can't find it now lol.. Here's what I did, Credited to Jedi.
Follow Franks step for measuring out, I also used about 6 cups of mild coffee, and a palm full of gypsum.
Where it is different is fill up the pot w/ WBS with hot water, pour in coffee, and then pour gypsum over it. Put a lid on it and let it soak for 24-36 hours.
Drain the grains for 15 minutes, then load them into your PC. They are a bit more wet than normal, but PCing them for 90 minutes at 14-15 PSI does the trick. Also another difference is you can take them out of the PC while still warm once the pot is cool enough to touch, and the stop lock has gone down. Once you have them out, give them a really vigorous shake to redistribute moisture in the jars, let cool off the rest of the way (overnight) then inoculate!
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the only thing I didn't do is really shake my jars, I shook them, just not that hard, I wish I would of but I didn't know at the time I was supposed too. Kinda pissed, wasted the grains, as well as the syringe. oh well,hopefully next time will be better\
how long did you soak your grains for?
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firstTIMER420 said: the only thing I didn't do is really shake my jars, I shook them, just not that hard, I wish I would of but I didn't know at the time I was supposed too. Kinda pissed, wasted the grains, as well as the syringe. oh well,hopefully next time will be better\
how long did you soak your grains for?
Eh just over 24 hours. I think yours might be fine, you are using rye not WBS now though right?
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yes im using rye berries.
Kinda pissed man, I did some PF jars so I could do some trays, and I thought I elevated them enough but apparently not because even though they were barely in the water, the moisture content is fucked and the dry verm layer got really messed up in some of them, im thinking im going to just dump them before they just contam.
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firstTIMER420 said: yes im using rye berries.
Kinda pissed man, I did some PF jars so I could do some trays, and I thought I elevated them enough but apparently not because even though they were barely in the water, the moisture content is fucked and the dry verm layer got really messed up in some of them, im thinking im going to just dump them before they just contam.
Do you mean you crumbled cakes to a mixture, let it colonize, then put it on a elevated tray? How did they get wet? I'm confused.
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no lol when I PCd them
also, how did your grains turn out?
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Oh yeah I wouldn't risk your precious inoculant on that jazz. I would just go ahead and make more, no sense in trying to salvage something that hasn't even been inoculated. My second batch of grains came out great, roll around like bbs, minimal cracked seed, and what seems to be great moisture content.
I did a little experiment today with my other grains, seeing as how I nocced them up literally 3 weeks ago, and only 1 has any signs of growth I decided to try something a little different for experiments sake. I KNOW for sure my problem was that I cracked too many of the grains, and then dried them way too much before PCing them. I decided to recreate the whole procedure for making a spore syringe, just with no spores. I let that cool down, and squirted 6-8ml of sterilized water into each of the stalled out grain jars through my SHIPs. I finished up all that in my SAB, then shook the bajeezus out of them! I have seen mixed results with this, but I figured I would try and salvage them before G2Ging the one jar that has growth.
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By the way here are my very first cakes I did, the first flush was less than mediocre with tons of mutants, and bebeh fruits. Though the first flush was tested by a few, and said to be very potent in the 2-2.5g range, all parties involved said it felt like a full 1/8 of good mushies! The second flush has done nothing but impress, good solid fruits with healthy growth patterns! There are still a few with the weird veil mutation that kind of make them pop up on one side like a bonnet, but they are the minority now.



This guy quadrupled in size overnight!
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I inoculated them already but have 10 more syringes, so im thinking about just saying fuckit before they contam and I have to deal with that mess... It was only B+ anyways...
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Go bury em with some hpoo, and straw on top dude!
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firstTIMER420 said: I inoculated them already but have 10 more syringes, so im thinking about just saying fuckit before they contam and I have to deal with that mess... It was only B+ anyways...
Only B+ anyways!? What's wrong with big mushrooms that can be damn potent if cloned out on agar? Who cares if they are way over used. I like the ones my GF grows better than the Chilan I grew... Of course mine were from multispore and she uses proper agar isolation and clones for potency. Met this girl about 2 months ago and just found out she grows this last week. Fucking dream come true, just have to convince her to share her bomb genetics.
In any case since you have 10 more syringes just start over, no biggie. If it's already innoced I would look at throwing the waste into your compost pile with manure and straw if you have one and throw a thin layer of soil over it(like maybe 1/2in-1in, got a couple outdoor fruits here in MI that way by the grace of god!). Mushrooms grow well in Florida as is, when I was in Ft. Lauderdale earlier this year I got lucky and picked some on my way across the state Naples and tripped very nicely. Good luck with the next round 
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UPDATE! The stalled, dried out, and predominantly cracked grain WBS jars I had are now germinating everywhere! I decided to take a shot at saving them by injecting 6-8ml of sterilized water For Science!
No sign of contamination, and there are literally 20 different places MYC is colonizing on a few of them. I will update with pictures in a few days as they come along. If I can salvage 3 quality jars out of this for a mini mono I will be happy! 
Obviously this is not a good idea for people who have jars that are colonizing slowly, these jars went 3 1/2 weeks with only one showing clumpy growth. My grains were dried out FAR too much, and this is not something anybody would recommend to someone who is getting the impatient itch because their jars are colonizing slowly. I suspect this is a very situation fix for idiots like me who cracked, then dried the crap out of their WBS.
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I crumbled 6 KSSS cakes to a 20Qt Sterilite tote. I mixed up my substrate via Damion5050's Elementary Coir Tek. Let's hope for success, and much more mushrooms than cakes!
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The fruits of the harvest have been consumed! A little over a half ounce was pulled from 3 flushes. They took a really long time to grow due to mistakes, but I believe it made them more potent. 2.75g was made into 2 batches of tea to be consumed at a cabin location. It was magical! It was by far the most profoundly spiritual psychedelic experience I've had, but had literally not a single negative vibe to it. It was laughing, deep conversations, and good times all night. Copious amounts of DMT were vaped throughout the night as well. We facilitated a lady friends first LSD trip in the same night with 50ug, and as ballsy as she was she wanted to try DMT too!?! Seriously this chick has more balls than I did. It turned out amazing! She is an official convert, she was smiling the whole night, and complained her face hurt from smiling too much the next day. She is ecstatic to get over her fear of psychedelics and now realizes she has been fed misinformation her whole life. Weekend goals complete.
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