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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21800479 - 06/13/15 01:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

5 inch MINIMUM. 3-4 inches rarely ever cuts it. Also putting a window screen down before laying perlite is a great idea. Biggest annoyance is those bottom holes getting clogged. If you keep them unclogged you'll have great fae and humidity.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808267 - 06/14/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll post pics when I get home, they are in the sgfc now! Should I mist the cakes directly for the first mist, then mist indirectly I.E. the perlite and the tub wall a few times a day, then fan afterwards? Do I have that right? I have a humidity meter in the tub to make sure humidity levels stay good, I should shoot for 100% right?


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21808287 - 06/14/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Mist directly ALL the time. Cakes and perlite. What would misting the walls do besides evaporating into the outside air?..

50%-95% humidity is good. You want fluctuations. It's a box with hundreds of holes ffs. It's impossible to keep at 100% humidity. Keep the cakes moist/damp/glistening 24/7. Don't get them wet with pooled water or dried out.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808734 - 06/14/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I am following the lets grow pf tek videos, I rolled em, let them sit for 30 minutes then misted really well twice in an hour and a half. Humidity is fluctuating between 85 and 95%. I've got a 6500 cfl on them now here's my plan:

Mist and fan 3 times a day
Light 12 hr on 12 hr off

I'm feeling good about these guys! :mushroom2:


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21808822 - 06/14/15 11:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wait humidity is 85-98 or temp in F?


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808832 - 06/14/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Mist directly ALL the time. Cakes and perlite. What would misting the walls do besides evaporating into the outside air?..




I'm sure he's talking about the inside walls which would raise RH :sporedrop:


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21808850 - 06/14/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It does nothing, and is a myth that just needs to die. Also with a higher humidity, you'd have lower evaporation rates, so even if it did raise rh (which it doesn't. Perlite does), it's still counterproductive. I've never misted the walls of any chamber. Just saying. 

For future reference you want a high surface humidity on the mycelium achieved with misting until it's glistening 24/7, a lower rh around it so it can evaporate 24/7, and lots of fae. That's the key to fruiting.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808859 - 06/15/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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It does nothing, and is a myth that just needs to die. Also with a higher humidity, you'd have lower evaporation rates, so even if it did raise rh (which it doesn't. Perlite does), it's still counterproductive. I've never misted the walls of any chamber. Just saying. 




So water in the perlite is somehow magically different that water on the sides of the container?  Fascinating.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21808864 - 06/15/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And here I thought you wanted an intelligent conversation. Obviously you haven't read how a shotgun works because you wouldn't be saying that.

Misting the walls on a chamber that pushes humidity up would just push it into the air outside the box. Keeping the moisture in the perlite is how you keep humidity up because it pushes air through the perlite providing humidity, also provides good fae too. This is done with holes on the bottom, and elevated 6 inches. This is also why we only use perlite on a shotgun, since it's good at wicking moisture up into the air.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #21808888 - 06/15/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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And here I thought you wanted an intelligent conversation. Obviously you haven't read how a shotgun works because you wouldn't be saying that.

Misting the walls on a chamber that pushes humidity up would just push it into the air outside the box. Keeping the moisture in the perlite is how you keep humidity up because it pushes air through the perlite providing humidity, also provides good fae too.



Moisture on the side evaporates, driving air thru the FAE holes.  The combination of moisture in the perlite and wall sides is ideal because there is more AIR EXCHANGE.  If there is only air in the perlite it will collect on the walls thus reducing air exchange.

The only 'bad' moisture is on the top because it can drip onto the cakes / sub.

I have read about how a shotgun works and have experience using it.

I'm curious as to why when folks on these forums disagree they always wind up insulting those they disagree with.

This forum has 2.5 million posts.  There are a lot of ways to grow cubes and a lot of varying opinions.  Surely we can disagree without insulting or being condescending.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21808906 - 06/15/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't insult you.. I kinda doubt many people have. I find them all pleasant and nice. Just because someone is informing you, doesn't mean they're rude or condescending. Lots of people seem to take it this way. Also I was pretty shocked you said "So water in the perlite is somehow magically different that water on the sides of the container?  Fascinating." Because it isn't just magically better. It's quite laid out in how it works as to why it's the main source and a necessity. Thus I said you've obviously not read it (or understood it) to know that it's quite obviously better, not just magically.

It's quite dependant on the perlite being damp. The walls don't matter. They usually have condensation on them anyways. I'm sure you'll have more than enough air exchange with hundreds of holes, and if you keep the bottom ones unplugged. This has been discussed too many times to count and every TC seems to agree what matters is direct misting along with misting the perlite. Nuff said.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #21809051 - 06/15/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I corrected my previous post, I meant humidity not temp LOL! Temp is roughly 72-75 on average from readings taken 30 minutes after the last mist of the night. Also I appreciate the help, and advice on this forum, it has helped a lot and I wouldn't have been able to do this without the assistance found here!

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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21809108 - 06/15/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Looks great! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Any idea of the rh?


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21809145 - 06/15/15 03:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

RH is room humidity, or relative humidity right? It's about 50-60% outside of the tub. On average 85-95% inside.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21809166 - 06/15/15 03:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

RH is relative humidity.  What's important is inside the tub. :thumbup:


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: ShroominMe]
    #21830814 - 06/20/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Okay here are some picture updates. I realized I must be lacking FAE since there was some extraordinarily spiky Mycelial growth happening on one of the cakes. They look healthy, but I also think I might be over watering as one of the cakes had an obvious amount of water just hanging out on top of it. I lost 1 of my other jars to what looks like TRICH (it is getting tossed) and 2 others are questionable, but might just be metabolites. I started airing out the area the Mushrooms are in quite a bit more to help alleviate what I think is a FAE issue at this point.

Questionable, possibly metabolites? Can someone chime in on this one, this is staying in the jar until I figure it out.



In vitro pinning I didn't catch after not looking at the jars for 4 days! I'm bummed my first pin on ANY cake is in vitro. This cake is soaking right now before going in the SGFC.





Spiky Mycelial growth on the one, looks healthy otherwise.



I further trimmed the aluminum foil, and re moistened the Perlite underneath since they are taking longer to pin than usual.



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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21832888 - 06/20/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'll take some better pictures of the two jars I suspect of contam. I'm 50% sure they are just metabolites, but they are more brown than I have seen on other cakes by far. The jar that pinned invitro is going into the SGFC today! I'll at least have one that is way ahead of the curve.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: WindWisperer]
    #21833751 - 06/20/15 08:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Those guys look very wet. You should cut back on the misting for a day and fan a lot. You want them damp, not wet.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: Mad Season]
    #21833926 - 06/20/15 08:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I will read the rest, but trust me, cutting back on misting was the best thing I ever did(and caused pinning!) stop for a day and then lightly mist for the next 2 days, works wonders.

also, sometimes pinning in vitro is a sign of contams, the mycelium try and reproduce before they die, defense mechanism I suppose.  MIght not be fact, but I have read that a couple times, posted by a TC once or twice.  Just something to take into consideration.


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Re: First PF Tek Cultivation [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21835085 - 06/21/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I will read the rest, but trust me, cutting back on misting was the best thing I ever did(and caused pinning!) stop for a day and then lightly mist for the next 2 days, works wonders.

also, sometimes pinning in vitro is a sign of contams, the mycelium try and reproduce before they die, defense mechanism I suppose.  MIght not be fact, but I have read that a couple times, posted by a TC once or twice.  Just something to take into consideration.




I definitely took this into consideration, I popped that puppy out of the jar and it smelled like fresh mushrooms, but had some yellowing from metabolites I would guess. It will be isolated though, just to be absolutely sure. You guys are right, it probably pinned first either from fighting off contams, or just plain being more dry than the ones in the tub.


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