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First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful
    #21768355 - 06/06/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just re-read almost all of RR's notes (with a 5 year break) and inoculated my first batch today- starting out with 6 cakes- which was good because a few holes in the lids were not wide enough. :/.  Oh well live and learn. Used fine verm and brf, a little on the drier side- with a dry verm later on top (1/2 pint jars). Fruiting chamber with 5 in perilite- scores of holes on all sides (most taped for incubation). 2 ultrasonic humidifiers (because of how high the FAE- one only got 80% and I am gone most of the day most every day). Perched on a laundry basket. I have horse poo, coir, crushed oyster shell, bat guano, gypsum- for substrate- considering casing- but I don't have any peat- still debating. I also have a HEPA filter so considering making a flowhood. PC, Lysol, oust, bleach, alcohol (flame and 70% solution) used for the various sterilization processes. Am I missing anything? Will pasteurize poo- should I coir as well?



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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21768367 - 06/06/15 12:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You need to build another fruiting chamber, that one won't work. You need to build a SGFC which consists of 1/4 in holes on all six sides in a 2" grid like pattern. You also do not need to incubate, just leave jars on an open shelf. All you need to do is wait until full colonization and then let them cosolidate for a week and then dunk in water for 24 hours, roll cakes in verm and then  fruit in a properly built SGFC. Also mist and fan as needed.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21768374 - 06/06/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I chose to go for fewer, larger holes- not humidify one atm- and by incubation I am not adding any heat- simply not giving fruiting conditions. The tape will be removed when they are birthed.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21768383 - 06/06/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And still have about 6 open 1/2" holes on each side


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21768388 - 06/06/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not following instructions in full detail is the best way to fail.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21768408 - 06/06/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The instructions I read told me to do just what I did. And my experiments with the chamber left me at 98% humidity with both humidifiers on at 65% with tons of FAE.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21768413 - 06/06/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Besides hole size and span difference do you have any critiques?


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21768474 - 06/06/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

From your response to my post, I'm guessing you believe you have it all figured out already. So go on wit ya bad self.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21768946 - 06/06/15 04:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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insanemike said:
From your response to my post, I'm guessing you believe you have it all figured out already. So go on wit ya bad self.



^hahaaha go on wit ya bad self lol

Why do you have it set up to humidify your cakes while they are colonizing?


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21768963 - 06/06/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OP, I hope you don't actually plan on humidifying your jars while they are colonizing......right??  :eek:
Using it for incubation purposes in the FC would be an option I suppose but putting moisture on them will just be self destruction.

From the looks of it you're trying to build a monotub/SGFC hybrid kinda deal. Perhaps you should just build a mono tub, or stick to RR's basics of the SGFC. Unless this is all experiment, in which case,
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From your response to my post, I'm guessing you believe you have it all figured out already. So go on wit ya bad self.




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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: Spoorman]
    #21769047 - 06/06/15 05:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah- I have no humidifiers running right now. I built it to FC just happen to not have much room at all so that's why I'm using it to incubate.

And it's not wholly an experiment as this is how I did before with great results. I did however experiment with the chamber before innoculating to find perfect humidity/FAE. I based all of what I did off of RR's notes too.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21769082 - 06/06/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I also will be adding condensation chambers for the humidifiers before using them for birthed cakes


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21769089 - 06/06/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe I have humidity and FAE figured out- and even if holes had to be exactly the way you stated (which is contradictory to what RR said) - trashing the chamber would not be necessary, it could be modded- and being condescending isn't constructive.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21769114 - 06/06/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

From RR's notes:

*Just remember with small holes, it takes four times as many holes to equal twice the area. In other words, two 1/4-inch holes are not the same as one 1/2-inch hole. It would take four of them. It helps to bear that in mind. Good luck. FAE/FC


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21769129 - 06/06/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And do I have to pasteurize my entire substrate or just the hpoo?


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21769186 - 06/06/15 07:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But if you had built the SGFC to spec, you wouldn't need a humidifier. It was designed so that the air can be drawn evenly through the wet perlite to humidify the entire chamber. The only holes I see on your fruiting chamer are the giant holes up top. First rule about SGFC's is, holes must be on all six sides or else it doesn't work properly. If the air in the bottom of that chamber goes anaerobic and then will become a breeding ground for contams. You also need to reread rr's notes because my knowledge of this comes directly from rr's notes himself.

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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21769357 - 06/06/15 08:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pic must not be Lear enough. There are holes on all 6 sides- all about 1/2" - 10 on each long side 8 on short, about 20 smaller holes in the bottom, and 20 on the top


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21769531 - 06/06/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If I were home more, I would have gone for more humid, less automatic FAE and did misting and fanning, but I'm not- hence the humidifiers, and the 4 days calibrating the tank for optimum both


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: TravelAgency]
    #21771045 - 06/06/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A properly built SGFC is designed to be low maintenance.  It is most ideal to mist and fan when needed but your cakes will be fine even if your gone all day. If you are gone days at a time, it might be a better option to go with bulk monotub grows instead.


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Re: First grow in years. Pftek- cakes first round- pf-to bulk second sucessful [Re: insanemike]
    #21771823 - 06/06/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've been considering that- wanted to get a round or two of cakes back under my built before I bulked to make sure I'm keeping a good environment- and I've only bulked once before and had ok results (I think I over watered it through injections of water trying to increase my yeild, I was still new) so I'm looking at various methods. Going to start small batch and work my way up so I don't waste materials (or the poor fruits that should have been!).


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