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AA 75x question
    #21768326 - 06/06/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I like the size bags I do now, 4qt. I can currently fit 6 in my 23qt, 3 bags x 2 levels.

For anyone that uses one, how many do you guess I could fit in the mentioned sterilizer?

Also when doing bags in a sterilizer do they still seal on themselves since the sterilizer holds a vacuum?

Do you still need to use sleeves since the vessel isn't pulling in a air as it cools?

Do you need to open in sterile air since there's a vacuum and you don't want dirty air all of a sudden rushing in?

Does this create a problem? My hood isn't large enough to sit a 75x in front of and still have room to work, plus I don't wanna try to lift it lol.

How does your process go?


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21770444 - 06/06/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pasty? Hammy?


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21770462 - 06/06/15 01:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't understand you're question. And I'm not posting just to be useless or troll, it seems like you're asking something important and I want to understand the question so when you get an answer I can learn too.

Why aren't you sealing you're bags after loading them with sub before placing in you're pc? Why would you need to open them again before they're colonized?


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: metaphoric]
    #21770634 - 06/06/15 02:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of people don't preseal bags for various reasons and I am not pcing substrate but grain to create spawn.

Therefore the bags need to be open to do g2g or LI or such.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21770711 - 06/06/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, maddchef.  I get 9 bags at four quarts crammed into the AAx75 for a sterilization run.  That's 3 levels of 3 bags.  When I say "crammed", it's meant that bags are stuffed into PC without spacers, and sterilized for an extra hour at 20-22 psi.  The bags seal them selves when they pull into a vacuum.  You are going to need sleeves to filter air drawn into the sterilizer upon the inside of the sterilizer returning to atmospheric pressure, or contams will be drawn into your PC, and substrates.  Using tyvek wrist sleeves placed down into the gussets for sterilization is how we keep sterile with bags if we don't have the means to cool them in front of the flowhood.  Correct, you will need to open your bags in the direct downstream of the flowhood in order for sterilized substrates in bags to not get contaminated.  Wipe all tools and media vessels down with an alcohol soaked paper towel before placing any of the aforementioned items into the direct downstream of the flowhood.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: hamloaf]
    #21770797 - 06/06/15 02:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I fit eight large bags in mine just the other night.  I was a little concerned but all turned out well.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: Jenn]
    #21770923 - 06/06/15 03:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When you say an extra hour how long does that total?

I know that in a regular PC we use sleeves and the bags seal on themselves but didn't know if it was any different with a sealed sterilizer.

Are 75x usually run at 20-22psi or have you somehow modded yours?

What's the process to running a cycle? Is it set and forget since its self contained? Does it utilize a timer? Any auto shutoff feature?


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All mushrooms are edible, but some only once.....                     

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I do science and shit.

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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21771486 - 06/06/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You fit 6 bags in your 23qt? Its an AA?

How many quarts do you use? I use 4qt or 4.5 if Im using pint masters and can barely squeeeze 4 bags in.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: mushpunx]
    #21771519 - 06/06/15 07:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Its a 22 or 23qt older presto. They're crammed in there 2 side by side and one lengthways across but they fit fine.

Don't have room for spacers though so don't skimp on your PC time.

They are 4qt bags. Or more likely 3.75qt


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In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

All mushrooms are edible, but some only once.....                     

                                        Easier than cakes

I do science and shit.

:havesomescience:


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21771744 - 06/06/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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My hood isn't large enough to sit a 75x in front of and still have room to work, plus I don't  try to lift it lol.






http://www.harborfreight.com/1000-lbs-capacity-hydraulic-table-cart-69148.html

You could use one of these. Just position it in front of your flow hood table and lower it so that the top half of the sterilizer is in the air flow.

A friend of mine just picked up one of these to move around pinball tables. I been thinking about getting one to use for moving my PCs.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: Juiceh]
    #21771840 - 06/06/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Lol nice find


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21773401 - 06/07/15 09:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow yea I could barely pack 4 in my presto.

I had to use a ton of spacers though, and on the bottom a layer of jar rings with a trivet on top. It was the only way I could keep the bags from melting in thst preso


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: mushpunx]
    #21773411 - 06/07/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You're using a gas stove huh?


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21773441 - 06/07/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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When you say an extra hour how long does that total?

I know that in a regular PC we use sleeves and the bags seal on themselves but didn't know if it was any different with a sealed sterilizer.

Are 75x usually run at 20-22psi or have you somehow modded yours?

What's the process to running a cycle? Is it set and forget since its self contained? Does it utilize a timer? Any auto shutoff feature?




The sterilizer will pull a strong vacuum as it cools. When you click the toggle open it will pull air in from outside as the pressure equalizes. I use an alcohol soaked paper towel over the toggle to help cut down the sporeload being pulled in. A 75x is designed to run between 17-20 psi. Once you have it up to pressure and set you can leave it for the duration of the cycle but there is no provision for auto shut off. But there is no risk of running one dry as the toggle seals it, steam will not escape if the lid is on correctly.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21773456 - 06/07/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Would it be safe to utilize a timer for auto shutoff?

Do your u simply set the thermostat and that's it or do you crank it way up like a PC to get the temp/pressure up and then lower it to operating temp?


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All mushrooms are edible, but some only once.....                     

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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21773476 - 06/07/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have had timers malfunction on me so I doubt I would trust one myself. There is a dial that controls the heat, I crank it up to get to pressure then once pressure is achieved,  dial it back to the sweet spot where it will keep pressure in a nice range. I find that 2.5 on the dial works well for me.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21773487 - 06/07/15 10:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good stuff. If I do get one I would likely use a mechanical timer to limit risk. Those old analog ones are pretty reliable, the ones with the pegs


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All mushrooms are edible, but some only once.....                     

                                        Easier than cakes

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:havesomescience:


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21773508 - 06/07/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You're using a gas stove huh?





Yea I use gas. I have an electric hot plate type thing too I could try but I use an AA pc now so melting bags isnt an issue anymore.
I have a presto 23 that needs a nee gasket, itll be nice to run 2 PC at once.

Thanks for the photo I gotcha now. So when you dont use spacers you gotta cycle for another hour or so? Itd be nice to run six bags at once


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: maddchef]
    #21773509 - 06/07/15 10:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have had fewer issues with those but, I have still burned a few out as well. As a rule I like to check in on anything pressure related. With the 75x I feel confident running an errand or doing other work. But I wouldn't go to bed without checking to make sure it was off. Even tho the vessel itself would probably be fine, the grain would likely be fucked if left for 8 hours.


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Re: AA 75x question [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21773527 - 06/07/15 10:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

When its packed like that I run for 3.5hrs @15psi. Even though its a thin aluminum PC the fucking thing needs AT LEAST 12hrs to cool with that amount of mass in it, usually more like 18hrs.

The timer I would use mostly as a fail safe if I forget about it because its not hissing or smelling my home up. I wonder if there's a way to double up or build in a redundancy


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All mushrooms are edible, but some only once.....                     

                                        Easier than cakes

I do science and shit.

:havesomescience:


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