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Schizophrenia is caused by DNA.
    #21768199 - 06/05/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.iflscience.com/brain/scientists-closer-ever-discovering-cause-schizophrenia

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“We’re finally starting to understand what goes wrong in schizophrenia,” lead author Dr. Andrew Pocklington said in a statement. “We now have what we hope is a pretty sizeable piece of the jigsaw puzzle that will help us develop a coherent model of the disease, while helping us to rule out some of the alternatives.




Turns out, you do have to be genetically inclined to have schizophrenia. Thoughts?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 3
    #21768206 - 06/05/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I thought it was already accepted that mental illness was hereditary...


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21768214 - 06/05/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A lot of people here think that Psychs can cause schizophrenia, because before we had no idea WHAT made you genetically predisposed to it. Now we have an idea of what and why it happens.

Psychs can cause symptoms of schizophrenia but I think this is proof that psychedelics cannot cause schizophrenia.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21768225 - 06/05/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

they could potentially trigger psychotic or manic episodes though. but not schizophrenia.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #21768229 - 06/05/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly.

The question is though, can someone who's schizophrenic go their whole lives without having a psychotic "break" as it's called?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21768300 - 06/05/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, but just because you're 'predisposed' by your DNA doesnt mean you will end up with schizophrenia. it means you can

so it is still possible that some people who were triggered by psychedelics, never would have had schizophrenia ever if they had not taken them in the first place



not saying 'psychedelics totally cause schizophrenia.' just saying that there are situations in which they can. same goes with damn near any drug


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 2
    #21768307 - 06/05/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just because it's caused by DNA doesn't mean you have to hereditarily inherit that DNA either.. DNA can change during your life quite a lot.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: twighead] * 1
    #21768313 - 06/06/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Just because it's caused by DNA doesn't mean you have to hereditarily inherit that DNA either.. DNA can change during your life quite a lot.




This is very true, it is called epigenetics. If you take drugs that have the potential to alter your DNA then yes, it is entirely possible to turn yourself schizophrenic.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Crystal G]
    #21768336 - 06/06/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

poppin meth and rape guilt cause my schizophrenia


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #21768337 - 06/06/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think weed brings out schizophrenia in people.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Crystal G]
    #21768341 - 06/06/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i believe 100% that people can be turned schitzophrenic/mentally ill from drug abuse. beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind. i don't know if i had a genetic pre-disposition to it, but it happened to me over a period of 10 years. kinda lame now cos i have to start babying myself and working to keep my mental health. where as previously it was just a given and impenetrable thing. in general growing older is lame


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768346 - 06/06/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Weed and stimulants can bring it out for sure.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21768351 - 06/06/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I love how they know what chemicals cause this stuff
but the end of the article always leads to more science rather then a change in lifestyle


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21768421 - 06/06/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My sister is schizophrenic. I have an uncle who is schizophrenic and another uncle who is on death row for murder.

Im pretty much just in waiting at this point :hatsoff:


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21768429 - 06/06/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Damn man, I hope you're not the 10 percent who has a psychotic break.

But if you do, this is probably one of the nicest communities to help you through that. I wish you the best.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768436 - 06/06/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's 100% genetic. And the inheritance percentage is remarkable. If someone with both parents having schizophrenia they have a 40% chance of having it. Even a higher 50% chance if a sibling has it if I remember correctly. That might be the % for a twin now that I think about it. I can see drug use exacerbating the already existing condition, but it by no means will cause it. Maybe cause schizophrenic symptoms


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21768441 - 06/06/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.

what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768444 - 06/06/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The average age for onset schizophrenia in males is 16-25. I'm 30 this year. Hopefully Im in the clear.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768454 - 06/06/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The article I linked only says you have 10 percent chance if a sibling has it.


But honestly, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE has a schizophrenic/psychotic member of the family, at least somewhere down the line.
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for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.

what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences




I don't personally believe those drugs can change DNA, no. That's just my opinion though, we don't have any facts.

Just thought the article was interesting as psychosis and psychedelics are holding hands quite often. I believe that drugs just push the limits of the diathesis stress model. Which is being in a situation of overwhelming stress, causes the psychotic break of schizophrenia.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768494 - 06/06/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

but so you think someone that doesn't have the gene, no family history, none of any kind of genetic pre-disposition is then immune from schitzophrenia entirely?? i find that hard to believe myself


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768497 - 06/06/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.

what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences




Hypothetically thinking, if there is zero predisposition for the condition, I don't think you can develop it out of thin air from drug use. There may be a connection where drug use may increase the chances of the condition coming out for those with the gene, and I'm sure this is a factor that has been researched. Definitely worth digging into especially for the sake of many who are here.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21768501 - 06/06/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'd love to quit my job and get into neuroscience.

Maybe one day.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768505 - 06/06/15 01:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21768513 - 06/06/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.

what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences




Hypothetically thinking, if there is zero predisposition for the condition, I don't think you can develop it out of thin air from drug use. There may be a connection where drug use may increase the chances of the condition coming out for those with the gene, and I'm sure this is a factor that has been researched. Definitely worth digging into especially for the sake of many who are here.




i'm almost certain a person who doesn't have the predisposition can develope the disease. any human that is made to stay awake 7 days with no sleep will exhibit signs of schitzophrenia.

they say that short term symptoms of schitzophrenia is whats referred to as psychosis. the same thign that happens after a drug experience, the period of instability and insanity while one recovers back to their normal state.

and i think its entirely reasonable to assume that someone who is subjected to these psychosis/psychotic experiences repeatedly over an extended period of time is likely to see an increase in the symptoms in severity and frequency.

i.e. , the psychosis lasting longer, and happening more frequently. thus leading towards the developement of schitzophrenia


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768521 - 06/06/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd love to quit my job and get into neuroscience.

Maybe one day.




You don't have to quit your job to learn about these things. If this is something you have a true interest in, finding the time wouldn't be too difficult. It would be just like any other hobby, only this one could actually help yourself and others around you.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768523 - 06/06/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You're right I think causing psychosis could trigger more, like a misfire and then a jam after that

In laymens terms though the GABA is supposed to inhibit something from making a copy of a strand of DNA somewhere and instead it misses and there's a double


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768548 - 06/06/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.

what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences




Hypothetically thinking, if there is zero predisposition for the condition, I don't think you can develop it out of thin air from drug use. There may be a connection where drug use may increase the chances of the condition coming out for those with the gene, and I'm sure this is a factor that has been researched. Definitely worth digging into especially for the sake of many who are here.




i'm almost certain a person who doesn't have the predisposition can develope the disease. any human that is made to stay awake 7 days with no sleep will exhibit signs of schitzophrenia.

they say that short term symptoms of schitzophrenia is whats referred to as psychosis. the same thign that happens after a drug experience, the period of instability and insanity while one recovers back to their normal state.

and i think its entirely reasonable to assume that someone who is subjected to these psychosis/psychotic experiences repeatedly over an extended period of time is likely to see an increase in the symptoms in severity and frequency.

i.e. , the psychosis lasting longer, and happening more frequently. thus leading towards the developement of schitzophrenia




I can see someone using drugs being identically symptomatic to schizophrenia, but what would be the treatment for this type of person? I don't know that it would be treated the same way as those with a known case and diagnosis of the disease. Damage to the brain may be a cause, but there's no way to tell until the drug use stops.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21768552 - 06/06/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Staying awake for 7 days is not schizophrenia. It has the same symptoms but it's not the same disease. That's a silly connection. The common cold and the spanish flu have the same symptoms, not the same disease.

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You don't have to quit your job to learn about these things. If this is something you have a true interest in, finding the time wouldn't be too difficult. It would be just like any other hobby, only this one could actually help yourself and others around you.





I'm actually going to work on this, I work with computers so that's already a pretty good start to this. I think the human brain is just a computer anyways.

You probably didn't realize something as silly and unimportant as that statement would inspire me, but it did.

If I can help even one person I can die happy. Psychosis is so horribly misunderstood


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768563 - 06/06/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It is totally false to beleive that, I know of many people with no schizo in there family tree that got it cause of drugs, albeit temporarily


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768569 - 06/06/15 01:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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that got it cause of drugs




And you know this how?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768576 - 06/06/15 01:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Staying awake for 7 days is not schizophrenia. It has the same symptoms but it's not the same disease. That's a silly connection. The common cold and the spanish flu have the same symptoms, not the same disease.






well this is actually a pretty good point and something thats interesting to consider. similar symptoms, different condition/cause. hrmm!


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It is totally false to beleive that, I know of many people with no schizo in there family tree that got it cause of drugs, albeit temporarily




a few concerns that rise out of this are: how are they sure baout hte family history? maybe they carried the gene dormantly and never actually became schitzophrenic.

Also, the use of temporarily. my understanding is that schitzophrenia is permanent. it could have possibly just been psychosis or some other kind of symptoms


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity] * 1
    #21768591 - 06/06/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If schizophrenia is permanent, I don't think the symptoms are. People on this website have claimed to no longer suffer from delusions.

I'm pretty sure that's akin to people with cancer, you don't ever not have cancer, you just have cancer in remission, right?

I dunno, I'm retarded. It's almost 4 am and I haven't been sleeping.

Catch me goin' psychotic soon.

The brain is so mother fucking fascinating


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768599 - 06/06/15 01:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

My doctor told me everyone's brain chemistry is different. We all react differently to drugs and they affect us in unique ways. One of the things that can happen when you take a drug is you get some prediposed condition brought to life.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21768608 - 06/06/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's probably the first thing you've posted I've agreed with.

But no one is arguing that doesn't happen, so the point is moot.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768612 - 06/06/15 01:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

In my experience tho out of any drug I have taken, and this is just me, weed seems to be the one that used consistently that could defs bring out schizophrenia or depersonalization or stuff like that.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768618 - 06/06/15 01:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Staying awake for 7 days is not schizophrenia. It has the same symptoms but it's not the same disease. That's a silly connection. The common cold and the spanish flu have the same symptoms, not the same disease.

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You don't have to quit your job to learn about these things. If this is something you have a true interest in, finding the time wouldn't be too difficult. It would be just like any other hobby, only this one could actually help yourself and others around you.







I'm actually going to work on this, I work with computers so that's already a pretty good start to this. I think the human brain is just a computer anyways.

You probably didn't realize something as silly and unimportant as that statement would inspire me, but it did.

If I can help even one person I can die happy. Psychosis is so horribly misunderstood




It's no different than a mechanic having knowledge about engines, but this is with the brain. A mechanic probably worked on cars his whole life and probably has a few at home. Everyone has had a brain since birth, and it would pointless to live your life without knowing the basics of how your personal engine between your ears operates.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21768621 - 06/06/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Meth Psychosis is a billion times worse than weed paranoia.

But like I said about the diathesis stress model, being too high and violently paranoid is pretty fucking stressful, thus causing a psychotic break.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21768625 - 06/06/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

weed is more or less what triggered my first initial schitzophrenic episode or saga or w/e you call it. i first became schitzophrenic as a result of smoking weed. iw as doing other drugs too at times and had alot of stress at the time too, but weed was the main potentiator and the constant between all of it. weed is what created my paranoia


later i got stabilized and improve. but lately i've damaged myself alot with a few years of meth abuse, combined again with strenuous life problems.


it seems when i get stressed and pressured is when my symptoms start to present themselves i guess.


the lame thing is that now im struggling to recover properly from my current situation with the damage i've done with meth and just life circumstances.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768627 - 06/06/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i whimsically  scanned a sentence that suggested schizophrenia could be linked to a feline parasite by the name of toxoplasmosis.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768629 - 06/06/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Meth Psychosis is a billion times worse than weed paranoia.




Can't argue with that.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768631 - 06/06/15 01:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Meth Psychosis is a billion times worse than weed paranoia.

But like I said about the diathesis stress model, being too high and violently paranoid is pretty fucking stressful, thus causing a psychotic break.




i can also confirm this definitely from personal experience. weed paranoia is no where near the same level as meth psychosis. and weed takes a far longer period of consistent heavy use to even start to develope any negative side effects in my experience. where as meth is very quick in doing damage. the problem is that meth is much more immersive and addictive, so one is much more likely to get pulled into meth also


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768635 - 06/06/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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it seems when i get stressed and pressured is when my symptoms start to present themselves i guess.





How many times do I have to mention it before someone googles it? Fine. I'll do it for y'all.

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The diathesis–stress model is a psychological theory that attempts to explain behavior as a predispositional vulnerability together with stress from life experiences.




https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Diathesis+stress+model&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=m6ZyVdHyD9amyATEn4DoBw&ved=0CBwQgQMwAA

Technically still a theory, But I doubt ANYONE can argue with that.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768639 - 06/06/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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that got it cause of drugs




And you know this how?




Well, only cause a doc told ME, but that does not make him right, but I went schizo off of taking bathsalts for 2 years, and got put in the mental ward, after 3 days, the least u can stay here, he told me I was in no way schizo, it was the drugs, and they let me go


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768649 - 06/06/15 01:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So, you just disproved your arguement?

Drugs made you schizo, but you weren't schizo?

U fokin wot m8?
:whatwhatwhat:

Drugs can cause temporary psychosis, but temporary psychosis is not schizophrenia, that's the only point I'm trying to make, Which I think? You just agreed with? I'm not sure that post confused me.

On the note about meth psychosis, I hate stimulants so I've never gone through it, but I've had psychosis from lack of sleep, but at the same time I've also been violently too high off weed.

When you're violently too fucking high, and I mean TOO FUCKING HIGH, like, call your mother to make sure you're still alive high, it's fucking terrifying.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768657 - 06/06/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it's easier for most to blame their symptoms on a disease than a drug problem they have created themselves.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768660 - 06/06/15 02:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Being high on weed is pretty much like being schizophrenic in a lot of ways. Especially the synthetic cannabinoids.


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    #21768673 - 06/06/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Being TOO high on weed is pretty much like being schizophrenic in a lot of ways. Especially the synthetic cannabinoids.




You can get comfortably high, just because you can't handle it doesn't mean everyone can't.

I can't handle meth, it makes me feel shitty. So we're just opposites.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768690 - 06/06/15 02:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i think what does the damage with weed is the sedative effect. the calming chill mood that weed puts you into. so that when you are not high, you're more irritable, you're more alert, you tend to snap at things. it also builds paranoia. the voice in your head: " oh shit, they know im high ". that kind of stuff.

in general any repeated drug use can lead people towards becoming unbalanced i think


also in relation to being too high on weed and thinking your dying, drug experiences get much worse and more severe then that believe me. weed is very benign in that regard


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768697 - 06/06/15 02:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think the paranoia some get from too much weed could be categorized with the ego loss experience with shrooms. Of course to a lesser degree.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768701 - 06/06/15 02:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LOL, I was just saying schizo is not in my dna, but yeah, really confusing post cause I say I went schizo, but I guess I just really went psychotic, but weed bitter cactus, well I guess drugs effect peeps differently, but shit, I thought we were rid of u


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768711 - 06/06/15 02:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You didn't go schizo. The term you're looking for I believe is you had a "psychotic break"

A lot of people call psychosis as schizophrenia even when it's not, I've heard people say "going schizo" to describe meth psychosis and other psychosis as well.

Thanks for clearin' that up. Makes more sense that way hahah. You confused the fuck out of me though.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21768745 - 06/06/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, meth psychosis, and MDPV psycosis is pretty much the same, except MDPV is supposedly like 10x's worse, so I got way to high, and thought I was dying, and someone called my mom, thats how I ended up in the mental ward, I would not recommend calling your mom when you get to high, LOL


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768752 - 06/06/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've been so high I had to call my mom to make sure I was still alive before.

Fuck, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who's been stuck in a psychadelic loop before. They're fucking terrifying.

Also I've heard the same about MDPV being worse, that shit scares the piss out of me.

What was your ROA?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768756 - 06/06/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

have you ever taken psychedelics? if yes, also at high doses?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768763 - 06/06/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Me? Of course man. I've experienced ego death but that's not as terrifying as being in a loop to me. When you're in a loop you're still connected to your ego, which makes it a million times more terrifying.

I've eaten like 5 or 6 hits of 2-c-i.

I also took an unknown amount of 2-cc trying to kill myself. That was the hardest I've ever tripped in my entire life.

I was going through a rough time, and just decided to swish water around the vial and drink it. I'm not sure why you're asking though, is it related to my loops, or my experiences with psychosis?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768786 - 06/06/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Trying to kill yourself off of psychs, holy fuck that would be a terrible way to go, IMO.

I hate to admit this, but my ROA was iv, and I swear, the shit was like the devil in a packet, I would shoot up, and see blood dripping down my walls, and even worse.

My hardest lsd trip did not in anyway compare to the way I hallucinated off of MDPV, it was awful!


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768792 - 06/06/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah damn sorry to hear that. hope everythings good now atleast.

i just wasn't sure what kind of experiences you'd had cos you were saying that weed seemed to give you pretty strong effects. like i think the average person would see the experiences you've had there with 2c-i and 2c-c being as way more strenuous then anything that would happen from smoking weed.

i hear what your saying about the ego thing too. thats a big part of the hassle with meth psychosis as well because you're ' still there ' in your ego etc, but forced to grapple with difficult issues and impossible phenomenons like delusions and hearing voices etc


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    #21768793 - 06/06/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I thought it would be a wonderful place to go.

I think death is psychadelic so my logic was that my trip and my end would be inseperable, so I wouldn't notice my death.

My death and life would be all one interconnected experience.

It didn't work obviously, I ended up tripping so hard that I wanted to live though. Probably saved my life honestly.

Luckily I kept both my feet too.

Also I hate that "Sorry for you" shit. You don't have to be sorry for my life experiences, I'm thankful for all of them, even the horrible ones.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768795 - 06/06/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Trying to kill yourself off of psychs, holy fuck that would be a terrible way to go, IMO.

I hate to admit this, but my ROA was iv, and I swear, the shit was like the devil in a packet, I would shoot up, and see blood dripping down my walls, and even worse.

My hardest lsd trip did not in anyway compare to the way I hallucinated off of MDPV, it was awful!




the thing with stims as well is you can get just far too high on them. and that would probably happen when shooting, if you were to shoot a big dose or something. like you can get soo high to the point that you don't realise your high anymore. or you dont think your high. but your absolutely off the planet in reality


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    #21768800 - 06/06/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sometimes I really wonder if I died that day. It's fucked up but it might even be a psychosis of my own though.

Like maybe I'm a fucking vegetable in a hospital.

But then again maybe so are you, but I don't think those are normal thoughts.

I can fucking remember the taste feeling it gave me when it hit my tongue. It was like licking an electrical socket.

As soon as it hit my tongue, literally my first thoughts we're "Oh fuck"

I was basically a potato, I don't think I walked or could walk, but somehow I would end up in different places. I couldn't sit still, and also couldn't move at the same time. I was everything, and I was nothing, and I was also LESS than nothing. My ego's ego died.

It's weird as fuck to try and explain, so I just don't really tell people about it.

Plus you can't really go around saying "I tried to kill myself..." before a story without people wanting to put you in a mental hospital. It was the best worst experience of my life.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768812 - 06/06/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man, I was off planet earth for 2 years, I went from being 180 lbs to 120 lbs, people thought I was dying, and I was!

I managed to get off the shit, but not cause I got put in the looney hospital, I started shooting again as soon as I got out, I always thought all drugs should be legal, but not this 1, I only managed to stop when it became illegal, and I could no longer find it.

It was and is crazy thought, if you could somehow manage the strength u get off the shit, it would be awesome, man I was way stronger at120 lbs while on the shit then at 180, I could toss furniture that I can't even pick up now that I'm back to 170


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768817 - 06/06/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There's a study from years ago where people did normal everyday tasks on different drugs.

Turns out Cocaine and Meth really do increase your strength.



Watch someone on meth try to put together Ikea furniture though, it's fucking hilarious.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768837 - 06/06/15 03:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Sometimes I really wonder if I died that day. It's fucked up but it might even be a psychosis of my own though.

Like maybe I'm a fucking vegetable in a hospital.

But then again maybe so are you, but I don't think those are normal thoughts.

I can fucking remember the taste feeling it gave me when it hit my tongue. It was like licking an electrical socket.

As soon as it hit my tongue, literally my first thoughts we're "Oh fuck"

I was basically a potato, I don't think I walked or could walk, but somehow I would end up in different places. I couldn't sit still, and also couldn't move at the same time. I was everything, and I was nothing, and I was also LESS than nothing. My ego's ego died.

It's weird as fuck to try and explain, so I just don't really tell people about it.

Plus you can't really go around saying "I tried to kill myself..." before a story without people wanting to put you in a mental hospital. It was the best worst experience of my life.



Yeah that's pretty true of trips to say how the bad was also good. A lot of my bad trips which were bad at the time seemed not that bad on reflection. Or atleast not the entire time.

It's funny how that happens with psychedelics too. Like certain smells, tastes or feelings that stick with you way after the trip. It's dhit like that thst shows how you need to be careful with drug use cod shit can have lasting consequences.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768843 - 06/06/15 03:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It wasn't even a "bad" trip, I never had fear, or anything and was actually in a giggle fit most of the time.

It's just... Uhm... Fuck dude there aren't even words to describe it.

It just was, you know?

The only bad part about it was vomiting, when I was vomiting I was pretty convinced I just puked out my soul and that was my passing. That's when the ego died.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768876 - 06/06/15 03:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768901 - 06/06/15 04:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I had many bad trips on lsd, and guess what, u just had to ride it out, r face certain fear by going to the hospital, which I never chose to do

I have eaten 2 oz of shrooms(not bragging, it was idiotic) but never freaked like I did on lsd, but I could contain my compusure, on MDPV, I use to keep a fifth of everclear in the freezer, and I could drink half of it and still be paranoid as fuck, excited delirium is what they now call it


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam] * 1
    #21768902 - 06/06/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I've never ever been afraid or paranoid on any of shulgins mescaline chemicals.

I.e. any 2-c chemicals have always made me super giggly and happy and loving life.

I was happy to die.


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    #21768915 - 06/06/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I get ya, I have never been afraid on shulguns chemicals either, but real lsd, yes I got scared, and this shit was everywhere and legit in the 90's, and most people I tripped with back then will not even touch shrooms, lsd was very high quality back then, and cheap, and IMO, my friends and I ate way to much, plus we were young, and it caused ego death, and it scared us, but we would do it again next weekend, Fucked up we were!


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21768916 - 06/06/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm more afraid of NOT getting LSD than LSD. hahaha.

Most of shulgins are similar in structure to MDMA so maybe that's why.

I honestly prefer shulgins to leary's. LSD pales in comparison to things Shulgin invented in my opinion.

Maybe if I took a thumb print or something crazy I'd change my feelings on that.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768940 - 06/06/15 04:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah man, I don't even try to score lsd anymore, the last time I tried, I got something else, I know this cause it only lasted 5 hours, and I tried to trip 5 days later, and it did not work off of 7 hits, which I would have NEVER taken back in the 90's, anyways, yeah all of shulgins inventions to me have been like mdma, which is my favorite drug ever, forget about paranoi on that shit, LOL!


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768950 - 06/06/15 04:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cat shit parasite linked to Schizophrenia. Like in Trainspotting when Tommy died from the disease he got from the cat shit parasite.


http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/06/05/study-cat-parasite-tied-to-schizophrenia-mental-illnesses/


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    #21768964 - 06/06/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Two new studies have now linked the T. gondii parasite to increased rates of mental illness in cat owner




Flawed study right there, cat owners are fucking crazy.

For every ten normal cat owners there's one Crazy fuckin' cat lady skewing all the data.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768987 - 06/06/15 05:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If there was at all a connection there would be countless cases of Schizophrenia. Probably just another scare tactic to get more kids started on meds from a false diagnosis.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21769064 - 06/06/15 06:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's bullshit. To act like something as complex as our minds, conciousness, and souls can be boiled down to simply......genetics.

It's a stupid ass answer and one that heavily fuels the pharmaceutical industry.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Almond Flour] * 1
    #21769090 - 06/06/15 06:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because what the fuck is science right?
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21769097 - 06/06/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Because what the fuck is science right?
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Science finds what it sets out to find. Anyone can prove anything I'd you look hard enough. Sure the reasoning and findings might be heavily biased, falsified, paid for and funded by people with a vested interest, or any other factor that would compromise a studies integrity. But truth be told if we looked had enough I'm sure we're could find empirical evidence painting Hitler as an awesome guy. But anyone with a soul or willing to consider the alternative knows it's bullshit.

We will look back one day at our approach to mental illness and be horrified at the way we treated it, just as we were with institutional care back in the good old days. I'm not buying this "genetics" argument. They want to believe it so bad, but more importantly they they want the victims of mental illness to believe it. You are far more likely  to shut up and stay on your "pills" if you throw up your hands and think "damn genetics and my broken brain"


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Almond Flour]
    #21769105 - 06/06/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:allsodisappointed:

I can't even talk to you because you'll report me if say something that hurts your feelings just like last time.

Plus Hitler wasn't all bad, minus all the Jews shit and genocide. Mother fucker single handedly brought Germany out of probably the worst depression in the earth's history, and immediately almost conquered the world. If he wasn't suffering from psychosis I honestly believe Hitler would have controlled the world.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769108 - 06/06/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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:allsodisappointed:

I can't even talk to you because you'll report me if say something that hurts your feelings just like last time.




I'm sorry you don't wish to be a positive, rule abiding member of this community, but as a stand up poster, I have a duty to follow the rules like everyone else and report those who wish to break them.

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    #21769116 - 06/06/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I called you an idiot and you cried about it. You didn't report me because you're some upstanding member. You're a troll. You reported me because you can't debate for shit, and as soon as someone pokes holes in your bogus child molesting religion you cry wolf and report it. You literally reported me saying you're an idiot.

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    #21769120 - 06/06/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"stand up poster"

Dat 3 shroom rating tho.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769141 - 06/06/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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"stand up poster"

Dat 3 shroom rating tho.



You know who had even less Shrooms back in his day....



JESUS :smug:


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    #21769152 - 06/06/15 06:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And they nailed him to a cross and threw him in a cave. Worked out swell for him didn't it.

Can you stop derailing my thread now?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769433 - 06/06/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd love to quit my job and get into neuroscience.

Maybe one day.




Eh its overrated. I'm about to graduate with my neuro degree and its just bullshit memorization and math just like every other science major. Not much money in it either. Which is why im going into medical device sales/marketing instead of getting my masters


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    #21769446 - 06/06/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think I'm technically more interested in psychology but I want to do psychology in a scientific way which is contradictory in itself.

I just want to know what the fuck goes on in the human brain.

Other than magnets, obviously


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769452 - 06/06/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Then you mean neuropsychology.


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    #21769456 - 06/06/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's a thing, or are you just mashing words? I want to learn neuropsychologicalmagnetoquantum physics.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769465 - 06/06/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuropsychology

Or you can do the other thing too.


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    #21769469 - 06/06/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Honestly I feel like that degree is about as useful as an art degree.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769475 - 06/06/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you want to be a doctor, oncology seems to be booming.


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    #21769520 - 06/06/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Honestly I feel like that degree is about as useful as an art degree.



Basically. Most people at my school that are in psychology were too lazy or dumb to do Neuroscience


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    #21769557 - 06/06/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Shaquille O'Neal has a doctorate. True facts.

Can I get a degree in pseudoscience or do I just give myself a pseudo degree?

If I was a psychologist I'd probably lose my job so fucking fast. It would rain benzos down from the sky. I actually probably wouldn't be trusted with a prescription pad.

Apparently dentistry is the profession to get into for drug abuse, they ask less questions about pain killers. Nobody goes dentist shopping lol.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769560 - 06/06/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't think you could prescribe medication as a psychologist.. could be wrong though. I was always under the impression you needed your MD


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    #21769588 - 06/06/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, u gotta be a psychiatrist, and 1 I went to over 10 years ago was strung out on shit, he straight up nodded out on me 1 time, I told the nurses on him, and they said, Oh he does that all the time, I was like WTF, I said I would straight up be fired if I ever did that at work, then he cut me off of 12 mg of klonopin he was giving me daily, and I almost died, COCKSUCKER!


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    #21769590 - 06/06/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Shit. I think psychiatrist can prescribe drugs. You might be right.


I dunno I haven't slept and I'm at work running on coffee and occasionally working. Mainly just stealing coffee.

Well I sort of slept. I had sleep paralysis for a bit last night and surprisingly felt rested from it.


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    #21769646 - 06/06/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Dude same I've had sleep paralysis like 3 nights in a row. Shit is really fuckin weird


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    #21769678 - 06/06/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I enjoy it for some reason. Even when shit gets scary it's such a fucking rush..

The first time it happened I did not enjoy that shit though. I was trying to scream for help and the most that came out was uhh. I couldn't move either and was like 14. I never told anyone or anything and watched a documentary about aliens that mentioned it a few months later, and that's how I learned.

They seem to usually be dark and terrifying though.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769718 - 06/06/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Holy fuck man, sleep paralysis is the worst! I used to get it all the time when I was a kid, then my son got it up to like 5 years old, and he would be screaming, and thrashing around, yet you could not shake him awake for nothing, althought what he was experiencing the doc said was night terrors, it pretty much seemed to be the same thing, but IDK


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    #21769735 - 06/06/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Typically it happens to kids, yeah but sleep paralysis can happen in adults usually from lack of sleep and unhealthy sleeping habits.

Night terrors are a bit different because you don't know you're dreaming. In sleep paralysis your mind is awake. So once you know what's going on its no longer scary. When you can make the conscious decision that what you're seeing isn't real, this is how you lucid dream. Your consciousness stays while you dream.

I always wake up when shit gets exciting though. Usually as the demons leave me alone I can control my dreams at least a little bit, but only if I'm in a healthy mind set. Which isn't now.

So the demons and I have sleepovers. The shadow people come sometimes too.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769761 - 06/06/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, I am damn near 40, and experienced it about a week ago, it's always someone is trying to kill me, yet I can't move r scream for help, but it feels as thought I am awake.

LOL about the shadow people, they used to get after me after about being up for 3 days off of meth. Which GD son, have u been to sleep?


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    #21769781 - 06/06/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't ever see shadow people when I'm awake. Only in sleep paralysis.

I get little black dots that swirl my vision often though. I usually pass out before day 3 because I don't enjoy stimulants as a drug. I just have sleep issues.

I dunno what that gd part meant, but I haven't slept no, I woke up at like noon yesterday and been awake since then. I had a bout of sleep paralysis at like 4 am and been awake since. I'll probably crash as soon as I can get out of work.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769816 - 06/06/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't enjoy stims that much as a drug anymore either, mainly cause I get psychotic off of them, cause I am terrible at controlling my intake, I won't smoke crack ever again, cause it makes me soo nervous, it used to just make me feel good, but notta no more, and I will pass it up, and people will be like wTF, who passes up a hit of crack, well I do knowadays.

I meant god damn, and I only slept for like 4 hours


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21769840 - 06/06/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Stims are the only reason im about to graduate college :lol:


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    #21769843 - 06/06/15 10:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Never tried crack. Never had interest in it. Seems like a dirt drug. Dirtier than Meth even. It's got a stigma to it for sure . I've done heroin though so I should probably get off my High horse and smoke a rock or two and spend a  couple grand on a one legged prostitute. 
No one's get that reference but whatever.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769879 - 06/06/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

LOL, man, I have done just about every drug available, except all the new rcs, but yeah it's blow a couple of grand on crack, then go fuck a 50 dolla crack whore, althought I never fucked 1 myself, I have watched it go down many times, and not to be racsist, but it was always at a black persons house, and a lot of the times I would be smoking crack with the mom, while my buddy was banging her daughter, with the mom knowing full well what was up, crazy shit!


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21769897 - 06/06/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21769912 - 06/06/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ghetto black people smoke crack.
Ghetto white people smoke Meth.

I don't think statistics are racist personally but I can see how  it could be construed as racist. I should probably put most in front of those words but whatever.

We're hella off topic but  fuck it.

On another slightly racist note but towards white people, and to be relevant with the thread. I see way way way more fucking white people with psychosis than black folks.

Is this because white folks have more psychosis, or because predominantly white suburban neighborhoods have better Healthcare than inner city minority neighborhoods? White people are fucking crazy


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769962 - 06/06/15 10:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:lmafo:, I was thinking the same thing, we r hella off topic, man I usually hang out in journals, where we bs just like this, but no mods can lock the thread, cause ur the mod in ur journal, RR would have locked this fucker up a long time ago!

But yeah, whites do seem to get more psychtic then blacks, EXCEPT for the ones on pcp, them fuckers get looney! They say MDPV is closely related to pcp, but I have been lucky enough to have never ran across pcp, which is about the only traditional drug I have not done


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Crystal G]
    #21769973 - 06/06/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Just because it's caused by DNA doesn't mean you have to hereditarily inherit that DNA either.. DNA can change during your life quite a lot.




This is very true, it is called epigenetics. If you take drugs that have the potential to alter your DNA then yes, it is entirely possible to turn yourself schizophrenic.




This would be through methylation or a similar process. Every thing you eat, exercise etc has an impact on your epigenetics. There haven't (to my knowledge) been any studys of drugs and their affect on our genome, ive always thought a lot about this and would love to see some studies conducted on the topic. I wouldn't say its entirely possible because of the areas of the methylation impacts in our genes. However theoretically it is very possible, at this point its hard to say much else until further research is conducted, and i hope to be doing so in a years time.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21769975 - 06/06/15 10:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This black dude from my high school got all fucked up on bath salts and got caught running around naked on a neighborhood golf course swinging a baseball bat or some shit. They tased him like 5 times and he didn't go down :lol:

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Malcolm_Xtasy]
    #21769988 - 06/06/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's my thread. So if they locked my thread for derailing my own shit I'd be upset. I haven't come across pcp either either but a synthetic cathinones stimulant can't be anything like a dissociative anesthetic unless I'm retarded. The only thing I see common is psychosis .
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This black dude from my high school got all fucked up on bath salts and got caught running around naked on a neighborhood golf course swinging a baseball bat or some shit. They tased him like 5 times and he didn't go down :lol:

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21769999 - 06/06/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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. The grass probably tickles in the best way




You seriously make me LOL at least once a day.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21770033 - 06/06/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You r probably right, the only reason why I say that, is because peeps started showing up with false positives for pcp in there drug test, cause of MDPV

Malcolm, that shit was soo common, man I'm lucky I never got arrested running around naked on BS, while yielding a hammer or knife, which I did a few times, the shit made you think peeps were after u, it was an awful drug!


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam]
    #21770043 - 06/06/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

False positives don't really mean anything much.. Etizolam gave me a plethora of false positives. A couple benzos and some obscure shit I don't recall. The body metabolizes shit in strange ways for sure.

I dunno though I'd have to look at pharmacology and chemical structures to see. Yeah as I thought they're not even similar.

I think I heard the pcp false positives before as well so I don't discredit that.

MDPV:
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21771501 - 06/06/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21771801 - 06/06/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I find it's the old people that smoke crack and the youth that smoke meth around here. Crack is an old man's drug.


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    #21771811 - 06/06/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

here here :meff:


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21772468 - 06/06/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

mdpv false positive'ing for PCP? Doesn't sound likely. They seem vastly different.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: twighead]
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    #21772547 - 06/07/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting :3

I herd interesting tings about PCP in general too, aside from all that guff about it making you eat mirrors and strangulate cops with their intestines.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21772554 - 06/07/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I know that it did sometimes for an absolute fact, my best friend was on probation, and it happened to him, that link you gave, theres a video from the navy that says the horrors of bathsalts, everything in there almost was absolutely true, except for that guy smacking that chick, at least IME, but peoples faces turning into demons and shit was absolutely true, I would eat cigs, it was completly fucked!


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21772563 - 06/07/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.iflscience.com/brain/scientists-closer-ever-discovering-cause-schizophrenia

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“We’re finally starting to understand what goes wrong in schizophrenia,” lead author Dr. Andrew Pocklington said in a statement. “We now have what we hope is a pretty sizeable piece of the jigsaw puzzle that will help us develop a coherent model of the disease, while helping us to rule out some of the alternatives.




Turns out, you do have to be genetically inclined to have schizophrenia. Thoughts?




Well we can never prove anything in this reality 100%.

But one day we may be 80% sure that 50% of schizophrenics are of a bad gene type / mutation.

There is likely also lifestyle schizophrenia from drugs i.e.
Drugs can alter the mind a lot, so much no science can predict

So theories are just that, theories, can be fun and all
Just don't take any theory as the ultimate truth, then you limit yourself

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: lessismore]
    #21772565 - 06/07/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There is also "random" mutations schizophrenia likely

Every cell in our body divides, and random mutations occur

"if you believe in randomness" - personally I don't
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: lessismore]
    #21772712 - 06/07/15 02:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

in this show they said because we discovered fire we were able to cook food to aid digestion so our brains got bigger, then there was a time during agriculture that everyone got shorter because they were much further from africa

kinda funny tho considering you could devolve if you just stopped eating certain foods or cooking (tho you would most likely die and everyone would laugh at you)


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    #21772714 - 06/07/15 02:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.iflscience.com/brain/scientists-closer-ever-discovering-cause-schizophrenia

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“We’re finally starting to understand what goes wrong in schizophrenia,” lead author Dr. Andrew Pocklington said in a statement. “We now have what we hope is a pretty sizeable piece of the jigsaw puzzle that will help us develop a coherent model of the disease, while helping us to rule out some of the alternatives.




Turns out, you do have to be genetically inclined to have schizophrenia. Thoughts?




Thoughts? This thing I read earlier contradicts this

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cat-parasite-toxoplasma-gondii-linked-to-mental-illness-schizophrenia/
http://www.schres-journal.com/article/S0920-9964%2815%2900176-0/abstract
http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org/content/33/3/757.full
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/308873/?single_page=true

Based on the research, it seems like schizophrenia could be caused by genetics.. at at least make a person predisposed to it
But it seems environmental factors.. are a factor too.

And it seems the notion of the "crazy cat lady" is true. heh.


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    #21772885 - 06/07/15 05:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That doesn't contradict it though necessarily, I'd imagine once you kill the parasite you lose the symptoms right?

Interesting still


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    #21772911 - 06/07/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was just taking opposition to the claim that it may only be through genetics.

I'm not sure if there's a cure for toxoplasmosis.. there's treatments for it that can basically eliminate most of the symptoms.. but AFAIK there isn't a cure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

But it seems many people can become immune to it.

It also seems it is mostly transferred to humans from cat feces from infected cats, but the disease doesn't become infectious in the feces until about 1-5 days after. So it should only really a problem for cat people that don't regularly clean out the litter box..
It also seems most people who have it, don't experience any symptoms at all. Mostly people with weakened immune systems are most at risk.


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    #21772916 - 06/07/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So is toxoplasmosis a different disease that has schizophrenic symptoms, or is it literally schizophrenia? It goes back to the flu vs a cold metaphor when I compared Meth psychosis to schizophrenia. It's not schizophrenia but it has the same or similar symptoms.
I'd imagine this isn't common in the modern western world

Welp. Guess I was wrong about it being uncommon.
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    #21772919 - 06/07/15 05:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No it's doesn't mimic the symptoms.. research has found that people with toxoplasmosis, it can effect the brain in certain ways that can actually bring out depression, suicidal thoughts, OCD, ADHD and schizophrenia.. the actual mental illnesses, not just similar symptoms.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2012/03/how-your-cat-is-making-you-crazy/308873/?single_page=true
http://dx.doi.org/10.4088%2FJCP.11m07532

It's not AS common in the western world, but a lot of people still have it. They estimate around 60 million people have it in the US...so roughly 20%..  but in other countries the number is much much higher.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Shroomism]
    #21772923 - 06/07/15 05:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well maybe being up all night on meth could bring that out in you:lol:


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Shroomism]
    #21772927 - 06/07/15 05:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That one link you gave is wild, they were saying that before the flu takes effect, u get more socially active, and they were saying the they think the virus causes you to do that, so it can be spread, that's some crazy shit, just think about how much we really don't know!


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    #21772929 - 06/07/15 05:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ah. I didn't have time to read up on it much because I'm at work I'll have to check it out

It seems to cause encephalitis as well, I'm not denying that physical damage to the brain can obviously cause schizophrenia and all those other symptoms and especially seizures. I have epilepsy from taking a shot to the noodle as a kid. So I know how much damage you can do to your brain.

Thanks for posting this, gonna have to read up on it..

Is another side effect that causes women to buy more and more cats so the parasite can reproduce? :lol:

Also I have no haven't seen meth psychosis that doesn't go away from sleep. Usually if it doesn't I think that the people were already predisposed.

We really don't know shit about the brain so it's hard to say

Also, thinking that parasites in your brain are controlling your actions sounds like schizophrenia already, hahah. Even if the parasites aren't doing it that sounds almost delusional to me.

They have a lot of real scientists saying it has merit, but if you read the article it says he did the research himself, and not done by a lab or a team.. So it very well could be that this guy just has schizophrenia. Or even some other disease. It's almost a coping method. Every time you fuck up you can blame it on the parasite.

I'm not saying he's not right, because we don't know, I'm just saying I'm doubtful, because his original hypothesis sounds like schizophrenia to begin with.

Which could actually be the parasite doing that, or he could just be crazy.

Look how often schizophrenic people on this website have life changing discoveries and try to explain them, this could already just be a delusion to begin with.


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    #21772937 - 06/07/15 06:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah while we understand a lot about the body now that we didn't know shit about 20-50 years ago... the brain is still basically the wild west.. it's crazy how much we don't know about the brain. While we understand more than ever before.. there's still a LOT we have no fucking clue about.


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    #21772942 - 06/07/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
in this show they said because we discovered fire we were able to cook food to aid digestion so our brains got bigger, then there was a time during agriculture that everyone got shorter because they were much further from africa

kinda funny tho considering you could devolve if you just stopped eating certain foods or cooking (tho you would most likely die and everyone would laugh at you)




From one view evolution looks obvious, many cases of evolution in man and animal

From another view evolution cannot explain it all, or fails slightly

I don't believe evolution is all, the human body and brain is a miracle, even scientists should acknowledge that

From the quantum perspective -nothing- is random
Evolution is purely randomness, due to randomness the best traits get selected

In quantum mechanics our reality is designed not by chance, but only in certain specific ways, there are only so many allowable states in nature

You could say reality is programmed. We're inside a big computer it looks like.
Cells and dna are pretty perfect computers/machines.

Cell division, programmed cell death, error correction, dna repair, transporter molecules - every cell in your body can communicate with one another

The cell looks almost godly in this way. Evolution will have a hard time explaining all, our body is redundant in many ways, our dna can repair itself

I find that fascinating... cells are so hard to understand that scientists use a lifetime or more to try to understand
the brain is equally hard to understand

the brain is like the cell is like the universe - equally hard to comprehend to a rational mind


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    #21772946 - 06/07/15 06:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I edited that, but I kinda want to hear your thoughts on that last part.

His hypothesis sounds almost delusional to begin with, if all this discovery is just a schizophrenic psychosis I'd believe that as well.

Something isn't right upstairs if you think parasites are controlling your brain. Either something is wrong in your brain because they are controlling it, or you're just fucking crazy. Hahaha.

How would we ever observe this actually happening though? We can't just note changes in behavior after infection, because getting cancer causes changes in behavior too, it's not controlling your brain but having cancer drives almost everyone to live healthier.


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    #21772947 - 06/07/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

And that of course doesn't rule out that we understand a lot, but comparing to the whole we understand very little :-)

Genetics and biology has come a long way, and now epigenetics too I heard

To think a cell is simple, that would be a gross underestimation
Cells are about the most complex machines I can come off... insanely complex and "perfect"

Very close to perfection..

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    #21772949 - 06/07/15 06:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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    #21772953 - 06/07/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not sure where you get that from.... parasites and disease can definitely affect the brain and behavior. It says nothing about the parasite itself "controlling" your brain.. but rather it rewires synapses and neural pathways and modulates dopamine and norepinephrine. It's definitely not unprecedented... there are other parasites that can do similar things. But we don't hear about them much because it usually effects animals and not humans.
Here's a more in-depth explanation. - http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/spring-2010/rewiring-the-brain-insanity-by-parasite


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    #21772959 - 06/07/15 06:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not sure where you get that from.... parasites and disease can definitely affect the brain and behavior. It says nothing about the parasite itself "controlling" your brain.. but rather it rewires synapses and neural pathways and modulates dopamine and norepinephrine. It's definitely not unprecedented... there are other parasites that can do similar things. But we don't hear about them much because it usually effects animals and not humans.
Here's a more in-depth explanation. - http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/spring-2010/rewiring-the-brain-insanity-by-parasite




Look up "hook worm" on the internet

it can cause psychosis in healthy individuals, it can also crawl from your lungs and into your eyes

That's one nasty bastard worm... and you can get it from walking barefoot
bad new to the hippies!

But it's true... it changes peoples consciousness when it crawls into people's brains
and its very common it does that after a long time, then later into people's eyes is common too

So not unlikely schizophrenia could be caused by worms or parasites, but a normal psychosis would be more likely, as worms move
Schizophrenia is more long lasting

If the worms make permanent damage it might be possible though!

Lastly I probably need to mention that there are a dozen of real physical illnesses to the body that can cause psychosis that mimics schizophrenia...
Body and mind are closely linked, damage one, you damage the other likely

A mind cannot function without a healthy body, chemical imbalances in body can destroy mind

So the patient might just have cancer in advanced stage, not schizophrenia

People have gotten diagnosed psychotic and even been thrown in mental wards, but then they had worms, or kidney disease! - so a lot of things can affect the mind. You can see the scientific journals describing this if you google hook worm consciousness hook worm psychosis
The best part is that hook worm is not just native to africa or such, any country has it iirc, you can get it from your dog or cat!
It bites through your skin, enters your lungs, then crawl to your brain
It often lives in the earth, so if you walk barefoot in your garden you are at risk too. It bites through your feet.


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    #21772961 - 06/07/15 06:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Imperfect, you're cool don't worry about it. My threads go all over the place usually but they're always a good show. :smile: don't apologize for sharing your thoughts.

In the last article you posted, it said that parasites rewiring brains in large mammals almost never happens. I'm not saying it doesn't happen I'm just saying the hypothesis is pretty far out there. I just don't see how someone wakes up one day and says, you know, I think a parasite rewired my brain.

For instance, I used to hate black coffee. I loved those sugary fake milk coffee Starbucks concoctions.

Then I slept with this girl and she made me the most disgusting tasting piss water light beer of coffee, and it was so horrible I've drank my coffee black ever since. I know my taste changed from having a bad experience,

But if I said I drink coffee black now because of a parasite that lives in coffee beans that forces you to enjoy black coffee so it doesn't get watered down and diluted by milk you'd call me crazy.

Shitty metaphor, but it might clear up what I meant by saying he sounds crazy

I'm not denying his hypothesis or theory. It's just pretty far out.


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    #21772972 - 06/07/15 06:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It's not just one guy though. If that were the case, I would be inclined to agree. But there have been multiple scientific articles and case studies on it.

Here's one - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1851063/
And another - http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0023277
And another - http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/273/1602/2749

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    #21772982 - 06/07/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

But, the other people are observing it in a rats brain..

Controlling and rewiring a rats brain is far simpler than affecting a human brain.

I'll check those articles out too, like there seems to be enough data that I should believe this, especially how much I strive for logic and science, but it's hard for me to believe that.

Who knows thought. If so, these single cell parasites are smarter than humans, since they understand our brains and we don't. Lol


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    #21772986 - 06/07/15 06:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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But, the other people are observing it in a rats brain..

Controlling and rewiring a rats brain is far simpler than affecting a human brain.

I'll check those articles out too, like there seems to be enough data that I should believe this, especially how much I strive for logic and science, but it's hard for me to believe that.

Who knows thought. If so, these single cell parasites are smarter than humans, since they understand our brains and we don't. Lol




Hook worms can give people psychosis easily, several journals on that if you google it

They often crawl into people's brains, from the lungs

I've seen at least 2-3 papers on it..

They can affect lungs, blood, brain, eyes - eyes are the last part they crawl to often

They enter through skin or your feet, then through blood/lymph system, into lungs, then you cough them up - cough all the time and wonder what it is, then you digest them again and they enter your brain, then the eyes :-)


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    #21772992 - 06/07/15 06:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do they rewire and control your brain, or just get in your brain and fuck shit up?

I can cause brain damage with a sledge hammer, but I can't control what you do by bashing your brains out. I'd believe parasites can crawl in and fuck shit up for sure.

But controlling your actions and shit is pretty out there.


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    #21772997 - 06/07/15 06:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, it's not directly controlling the brain. It basically just rewires the brain. The result that you see is people act differently.

If you think that shit is crazy, have you seen what the cordyceps fungi does?


What's even crazier is that there are thousands of different strains of cordyceps.. each one only effecting one particular species. They have evolved to only target a specific creature. It's crazy shit.

But yeah... it seems some parasites and single celled organisms can understand how the brain functions almost better than we do. Or at the least.. instinctively know how to rewire it in a certain way that leads to their advantage to reproduce.


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    #21773007 - 06/07/15 06:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I've seen that, but you can control a insect just by sending shocks to its antenna, which is far simpler than controlling the human brain.

I'm most likely wrong, and you guys are probably correct, but this is super hard for me to believe haha. Plus Minnesota winters have made me so damn stubborn. The human brain is just so complex.

It seems to rewire the brain in very specific ways though, obviously it's not controlling the rats to climb into the cats mouth, but rewiring the brain not to fear predators is fucking insane.

Truly fascinating. Thanks for sharing for sure. I'm not sure what to believe yet. I'm torn between "that shits crazy science fiction" and "stop arguing with science and logic"


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    #21773011 - 06/07/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The last link I posted is a study on whether Toxoplasma gondii can influence human culture. They found a definite positive correlation in altering people's behavior.
That doesn't mean anything concrete... but it definitely means it's very likely, especially compared with all the other studies done on animals.


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    #21773022 - 06/07/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What I do know, is if cordyceps start infecting humans I'm riding the first nope train to fuckthatville.

Does it rewire the human brains to not fear predators? Because that seems useless as a survival mechanism. They need cats to finish the circle of life. So does it rewire humans to enjoy cats more?

Because a human walking in front of traffic, or getting shot, like the first guys theory was, isn't going to help the parasite reproduce, so it's almost a useless evolutionary trait, so it seems like it wouldn't have any use or need to control a human brain. Unless you live in a jungle where big cats can eat you.


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    #21773026 - 06/07/15 07:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think those are the behaviors they observed in infected cats and mice.

In humans, it seems to be linked to developing ADHD, OCD, schizophrenia.. and from that last study I posted.. increase neuroticism
Basically it effects our brains differently than cats or mice.
And to make matters even more complex, if you read that last study ( http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/273/1602/2749 ).. it seems to have different effects on people from different cultures or parts of the world.


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    #21773032 - 06/07/15 07:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think we're both right.

I think the human brain is too complex for the parasite to do its usual damage, so it goes up there and just fucks around, and that's why it causes such a wide range of symptoms.


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    #21790641 - 06/10/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

This is the best source about it I've ever read
http://www.human-memory.net/disorders_schizophrenia.html

i was asked if it was a learning disability earlier and I didn't say yes. It can be seen as that, but when it is waning it can be somewhat creative.
Other sites focus a lot on color charts and light up dots, this site actually allows you to break it down yourself and teaches you what it is rather then what the disease is


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    #21802762 - 06/13/15 03:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/11/cats-schizophrenia-cat-owners-mental-illness_n_7538240.html
Still after all the things i've read why don't they suggest schizophrenia being linked to dementia?
And in the end isn't pharma trying to treat the symptoms of the disease rather then the outcome?(going by their standards)


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    #21802791 - 06/13/15 03:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do schizophrenics regularly develop dementia?


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    #21802817 - 06/13/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Do schizophrenics regularly develop dementia?




Who knows?

Not like big pharma is going to tell you
Schizophrenics aren't supposed to display symptoms of their disease

Quote:

Elderly schizophrenia patients often also suffer from Alzheimer’s disease, or some other form of dementia, in varying levels of severity.




So either their brain has degraded and schizophrenia is there OR
they had schizophrenia before, which would be more likely as schizophrenia is blamed by DNA...

they did a test and found after three months the elderly in a canadian city that took the anxiety drugs all had dementia

i've read stuff hear amoungt the drug dealer and pill popper news stories that in an aging brain of someone with mental illness they have a larger abundance of connections then normal and so when they age they age 2x faster kind of like growing in fast forward and then collapsing on itself


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    #21802843 - 06/13/15 03:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think brain degradation is more likely, I personally believe modern medicine caused alzheimer's.

This thread was meant to say DNA causes it not Psychadelics, I'm not denying that brain damage can cause schizophrenia, brain damage can cause, schizophrenia, dementia, epilepsy, Chronic traumatic encephalopathy (the brain disease which kills 100's of hockey enforcers, because they're the only fighting sport that's major and is bare knuckle), and a slew of more mental disorders. Obviously damaging any part of your brain is going to have extreme side effects.

But it's Not that I think, modern medicine CREATED the disease of alzheimers. It just enabled it to be a condition.

But I don't think human beings we're meant to live damn near or over 100 years old. So the body starts to fail,and modern science does it's best to save it, when nature was telling them it's there time to go, so by enabling humans to live so fuckin' long, they get alzheimer's.

Before modern medicine the average age of dying was like 30 or 40. Now we live double that.

Unless people were getting alzheimer's at 40 back before medical science but we will never know


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    #21803273 - 06/13/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

alzheimers is pretty bad at 65 you could be diagnosed and be bed ridden a few short years later


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    #21803283 - 06/13/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't see how you'd be bed ridden, they just force you to stay in bed don't they?

Or does alzheimer's affect you so bad that you forget how to walk?


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    #21803342 - 06/13/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

alzheimers is basically your brain just going completely haywire because the good parts are replaced with bad parts because a protien isn't being formed
it's a lot like being shot in the head over a period of years and years without actually bleeding to death


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    #21803379 - 06/13/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I know it's a horrible disease for sure, but does it affect motor function and such? Does "muscle memory" take place in the brain? You might not have these answer's but now I'm curious. Off to google I go!


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    #21803391 - 06/13/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

there is reactionary mucle movements in the spine, like hot cold, hard etc
mucles can have memory to do a task easier as well
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    #21803397 - 06/13/15 06:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I can only find information about loss of fine motor skills, but idk if I'd consider simple tasks like walking a "fine" motor skill, but I'm not a doctor so I don't know for certain what a "fine" motor skill even is really. I'd imagine it's things done with fingers that require a certain degree of delicacy.


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    #21803409 - 06/13/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

By it's middle & later stages it affects both gross & fine motor abilities. End stage one is bedridden & requires 24/7 care.


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    #21803419 - 06/13/15 06:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

At that point why are we still paying to house and feed them? I don't get it. I get they're someones loved ones, but they're already basically dead at that point, might as well let em go..


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    #21803428 - 06/13/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

they can only kill you if you're terminally ill, that's like 3 months and millions upon millions of dollars worth of hospital bills
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    #21803449 - 06/13/15 06:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think if you have alzheimer's to the point where you can't feed yourself, that's natural life taking it's course and you should euthinize them humanely, instead of feeding and taking care of them for the fucking millions of dollars they spend treating and taking care of them.

It's better than them actually starving to death like they would outside of a home, so I don't think I'm being an inhumane asshole to think that people in that late stages of alzheimer's should be dealt with humanely in hospice care. Kill them with a huge fucking dose of Fentanyl or something like that.

They can't even survive on their own where an early stage patient can survive, just being confused and disoriented all the time, that's why they need care, the late stage patients need care for every single part of their existence. :shrug:

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    #21803585 - 06/13/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

1 out of 100 people get it
it's funny I'm not tough or anything but in Japan when the grandparents got old the family would take them out on a field trip and ditch them in the woods


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21803840 - 06/13/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

That's not your decision to make. Personally, I'd choose to exit prior to degenerating to that point. Other people don't feel that way. When it's your loved ones it's a tricky decision. :shrug:


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21804211 - 06/13/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't want to see any of my love ones turn into a potato.

Your loved ones are no longer there at that point. They have no idea who you are, and might not even know what you are.

But yeah I know it's not my decisions to make, I already told my family if I'm ever on life suppoort to unplug me, and plug me back in, because that usually fixes everything but life support is a different beast.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21805177 - 06/14/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, as do my parents. We've had this discussion, and were any of us to be diagnosed with dementia or Alzheimer's, our wish is to move to Oregon where medically assisted euthanasia is legal before we were too far gone. I work in healthcare, and one of clinicals before I graduated was working in a nursing home, so I've witnessed first hand the daily lives of those dying from those diseases. Not gonna let that happen to me.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21805218 - 06/14/15 07:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Konyap]
    #21805449 - 06/14/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if there is a test for a gene in dna that causes schitzophrenia, i'd take that test.

thread is tl;dr.


the voices tell me to build things. you can make it sal, you can MAKE IT ALL.

they knew all along what i was in for, they come to check on me every now and then, poke and prod me with knowledge and questions. what did you learn, sal? HAVE YOU FIGURED IT OUT YET SA!? WE SHOWED YOU THE PICTURE, WHY AREN'T YOU COPYING IT? YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT, IT IS THAT IS.


no im not ready yet, we know, but then why.... because it's fun to fuck with you. that's not very nice. yea but it's still funny tho.


what're you gonna do, sal? we'll just splice your reality if you try to fight it. splice you into another gap in the picture. you know we can, we've done it to you before. yea, i know but....  BUT WHAT? did you build them yet?

no, i'm working on it.... BRO BRO BRO we literally know everything you know, we know how far you are along.


okay, then why did you ask?

because lying is a sin.


but i didn't lie!


yea, ha we know.. you're getting better. we're not all out to kill you, ya know. now get back to weaving. you're on the loom, and you know the picture.


ok whatever, just let me dream for a while.


fine,fine, we'll be watching :wink:


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Salomon]
    #21805521 - 06/14/15 09:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There are a lot of companies who will sequence your genome.

As far as anyone wading through all the bullshit, not so sure.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21805530 - 06/14/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i suppose it wouldnt matter anyways, it's not like there's a "cure"


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Salomon]
    #21806829 - 06/14/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Boo!


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