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Psychonautica said: Meth Psychosis is a billion times worse than weed paranoia.
But like I said about the diathesis stress model, being too high and violently paranoid is pretty fucking stressful, thus causing a psychotic break.
i can also confirm this definitely from personal experience. weed paranoia is no where near the same level as meth psychosis. and weed takes a far longer period of consistent heavy use to even start to develope any negative side effects in my experience. where as meth is very quick in doing damage. the problem is that meth is much more immersive and addictive, so one is much more likely to get pulled into meth also
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
#21768635 - 06/06/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soulidarity said:
it seems when i get stressed and pressured is when my symptoms start to present themselves i guess.
How many times do I have to mention it before someone googles it? Fine. I'll do it for y'all.
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The diathesis–stress model is a psychological theory that attempts to explain behavior as a predispositional vulnerability together with stress from life experiences.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=Diathesis+stress+model&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=m6ZyVdHyD9amyATEn4DoBw&ved=0CBwQgQMwAA
Technically still a theory, But I doubt ANYONE can argue with that.
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Imperfect Iam said: that got it cause of drugs
And you know this how?
Well, only cause a doc told ME, but that does not make him right, but I went schizo off of taking bathsalts for 2 years, and got put in the mental ward, after 3 days, the least u can stay here, he told me I was in no way schizo, it was the drugs, and they let me go
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So, you just disproved your arguement?
Drugs made you schizo, but you weren't schizo?
U fokin wot m8?

Drugs can cause temporary psychosis, but temporary psychosis is not schizophrenia, that's the only point I'm trying to make, Which I think? You just agreed with? I'm not sure that post confused me.
On the note about meth psychosis, I hate stimulants so I've never gone through it, but I've had psychosis from lack of sleep, but at the same time I've also been violently too high off weed.
When you're violently too fucking high, and I mean TOO FUCKING HIGH, like, call your mother to make sure you're still alive high, it's fucking terrifying.
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I think it's easier for most to blame their symptoms on a disease than a drug problem they have created themselves.
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Being high on weed is pretty much like being schizophrenic in a lot of ways. Especially the synthetic cannabinoids.
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Bitter Cactus said: Being TOO high on weed is pretty much like being schizophrenic in a lot of ways. Especially the synthetic cannabinoids.
You can get comfortably high, just because you can't handle it doesn't mean everyone can't.
I can't handle meth, it makes me feel shitty. So we're just opposites.
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i think what does the damage with weed is the sedative effect. the calming chill mood that weed puts you into. so that when you are not high, you're more irritable, you're more alert, you tend to snap at things. it also builds paranoia. the voice in your head: " oh shit, they know im high ". that kind of stuff.
in general any repeated drug use can lead people towards becoming unbalanced i think
also in relation to being too high on weed and thinking your dying, drug experiences get much worse and more severe then that believe me. weed is very benign in that regard
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I think the paranoia some get from too much weed could be categorized with the ego loss experience with shrooms. Of course to a lesser degree.
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LOL, I was just saying schizo is not in my dna, but yeah, really confusing post cause I say I went schizo, but I guess I just really went psychotic, but weed bitter cactus, well I guess drugs effect peeps differently, but shit, I thought we were rid of u
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You didn't go schizo. The term you're looking for I believe is you had a "psychotic break"
A lot of people call psychosis as schizophrenia even when it's not, I've heard people say "going schizo" to describe meth psychosis and other psychosis as well.
Thanks for clearin' that up. Makes more sense that way hahah. You confused the fuck out of me though.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] 1
#21768745 - 06/06/15 02:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, meth psychosis, and MDPV psycosis is pretty much the same, except MDPV is supposedly like 10x's worse, so I got way to high, and thought I was dying, and someone called my mom, thats how I ended up in the mental ward, I would not recommend calling your mom when you get to high, LOL
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I've been so high I had to call my mom to make sure I was still alive before.
Fuck, sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who's been stuck in a psychadelic loop before. They're fucking terrifying.
Also I've heard the same about MDPV being worse, that shit scares the piss out of me.
What was your ROA?
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have you ever taken psychedelics? if yes, also at high doses?
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
#21768763 - 06/06/15 02:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Me? Of course man. I've experienced ego death but that's not as terrifying as being in a loop to me. When you're in a loop you're still connected to your ego, which makes it a million times more terrifying.
I've eaten like 5 or 6 hits of 2-c-i.
I also took an unknown amount of 2-cc trying to kill myself. That was the hardest I've ever tripped in my entire life.
I was going through a rough time, and just decided to swish water around the vial and drink it. I'm not sure why you're asking though, is it related to my loops, or my experiences with psychosis?
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Trying to kill yourself off of psychs, holy fuck that would be a terrible way to go, IMO.
I hate to admit this, but my ROA was iv, and I swear, the shit was like the devil in a packet, I would shoot up, and see blood dripping down my walls, and even worse.
My hardest lsd trip did not in anyway compare to the way I hallucinated off of MDPV, it was awful!
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yeah damn sorry to hear that. hope everythings good now atleast.
i just wasn't sure what kind of experiences you'd had cos you were saying that weed seemed to give you pretty strong effects. like i think the average person would see the experiences you've had there with 2c-i and 2c-c being as way more strenuous then anything that would happen from smoking weed.
i hear what your saying about the ego thing too. thats a big part of the hassle with meth psychosis as well because you're ' still there ' in your ego etc, but forced to grapple with difficult issues and impossible phenomenons like delusions and hearing voices etc
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Imperfect Iam] 1
#21768793 - 06/06/15 03:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought it would be a wonderful place to go.
I think death is psychadelic so my logic was that my trip and my end would be inseperable, so I wouldn't notice my death.
My death and life would be all one interconnected experience.
It didn't work obviously, I ended up tripping so hard that I wanted to live though. Probably saved my life honestly.
Luckily I kept both my feet too.
Also I hate that "Sorry for you" shit. You don't have to be sorry for my life experiences, I'm thankful for all of them, even the horrible ones.
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Imperfect Iam said: Trying to kill yourself off of psychs, holy fuck that would be a terrible way to go, IMO.
I hate to admit this, but my ROA was iv, and I swear, the shit was like the devil in a packet, I would shoot up, and see blood dripping down my walls, and even worse.
My hardest lsd trip did not in anyway compare to the way I hallucinated off of MDPV, it was awful!
the thing with stims as well is you can get just far too high on them. and that would probably happen when shooting, if you were to shoot a big dose or something. like you can get soo high to the point that you don't realise your high anymore. or you dont think your high. but your absolutely off the planet in reality
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity] 1
#21768800 - 06/06/15 03:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sometimes I really wonder if I died that day. It's fucked up but it might even be a psychosis of my own though.
Like maybe I'm a fucking vegetable in a hospital.
But then again maybe so are you, but I don't think those are normal thoughts.
I can fucking remember the taste feeling it gave me when it hit my tongue. It was like licking an electrical socket.
As soon as it hit my tongue, literally my first thoughts we're "Oh fuck"
I was basically a potato, I don't think I walked or could walk, but somehow I would end up in different places. I couldn't sit still, and also couldn't move at the same time. I was everything, and I was nothing, and I was also LESS than nothing. My ego's ego died.
It's weird as fuck to try and explain, so I just don't really tell people about it.
Plus you can't really go around saying "I tried to kill myself..." before a story without people wanting to put you in a mental hospital. It was the best worst experience of my life.
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Edited by Psychonautica (06/06/15 03:09 AM)
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