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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
#21768497 - 06/06/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soulidarity said: for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.
what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences
Hypothetically thinking, if there is zero predisposition for the condition, I don't think you can develop it out of thin air from drug use. There may be a connection where drug use may increase the chances of the condition coming out for those with the gene, and I'm sure this is a factor that has been researched. Definitely worth digging into especially for the sake of many who are here.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
#21768501 - 06/06/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd love to quit my job and get into neuroscience.
Maybe one day.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
#21768513 - 06/06/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Soulidarity said: for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.
what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences
Hypothetically thinking, if there is zero predisposition for the condition, I don't think you can develop it out of thin air from drug use. There may be a connection where drug use may increase the chances of the condition coming out for those with the gene, and I'm sure this is a factor that has been researched. Definitely worth digging into especially for the sake of many who are here.
i'm almost certain a person who doesn't have the predisposition can develope the disease. any human that is made to stay awake 7 days with no sleep will exhibit signs of schitzophrenia.
they say that short term symptoms of schitzophrenia is whats referred to as psychosis. the same thign that happens after a drug experience, the period of instability and insanity while one recovers back to their normal state.
and i think its entirely reasonable to assume that someone who is subjected to these psychosis/psychotic experiences repeatedly over an extended period of time is likely to see an increase in the symptoms in severity and frequency.
i.e. , the psychosis lasting longer, and happening more frequently. thus leading towards the developement of schitzophrenia
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Psychonautica said: I'd love to quit my job and get into neuroscience.
Maybe one day.
You don't have to quit your job to learn about these things. If this is something you have a true interest in, finding the time wouldn't be too difficult. It would be just like any other hobby, only this one could actually help yourself and others around you.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
#21768523 - 06/06/15 01:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're right I think causing psychosis could trigger more, like a misfire and then a jam after that
In laymens terms though the GABA is supposed to inhibit something from making a copy of a strand of DNA somewhere and instead it misses and there's a double
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
#21768548 - 06/06/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Astral Pain said:
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Soulidarity said: for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.
what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences
Hypothetically thinking, if there is zero predisposition for the condition, I don't think you can develop it out of thin air from drug use. There may be a connection where drug use may increase the chances of the condition coming out for those with the gene, and I'm sure this is a factor that has been researched. Definitely worth digging into especially for the sake of many who are here.
i'm almost certain a person who doesn't have the predisposition can develope the disease. any human that is made to stay awake 7 days with no sleep will exhibit signs of schitzophrenia.
they say that short term symptoms of schitzophrenia is whats referred to as psychosis. the same thign that happens after a drug experience, the period of instability and insanity while one recovers back to their normal state.
and i think its entirely reasonable to assume that someone who is subjected to these psychosis/psychotic experiences repeatedly over an extended period of time is likely to see an increase in the symptoms in severity and frequency.
i.e. , the psychosis lasting longer, and happening more frequently. thus leading towards the developement of schitzophrenia
I can see someone using drugs being identically symptomatic to schizophrenia, but what would be the treatment for this type of person? I don't know that it would be treated the same way as those with a known case and diagnosis of the disease. Damage to the brain may be a cause, but there's no way to tell until the drug use stops.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
#21768552 - 06/06/15 01:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Staying awake for 7 days is not schizophrenia. It has the same symptoms but it's not the same disease. That's a silly connection. The common cold and the spanish flu have the same symptoms, not the same disease.
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Astral Pain said: You don't have to quit your job to learn about these things. If this is something you have a true interest in, finding the time wouldn't be too difficult. It would be just like any other hobby, only this one could actually help yourself and others around you.
I'm actually going to work on this, I work with computers so that's already a pretty good start to this. I think the human brain is just a computer anyways.
You probably didn't realize something as silly and unimportant as that statement would inspire me, but it did.
If I can help even one person I can die happy. Psychosis is so horribly misunderstood
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
#21768563 - 06/06/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is totally false to beleive that, I know of many people with no schizo in there family tree that got it cause of drugs, albeit temporarily
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Imperfect Iam said: that got it cause of drugs
And you know this how?
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Psychonautica said: Staying awake for 7 days is not schizophrenia. It has the same symptoms but it's not the same disease. That's a silly connection. The common cold and the spanish flu have the same symptoms, not the same disease.
well this is actually a pretty good point and something thats interesting to consider. similar symptoms, different condition/cause. hrmm!
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Imperfect Iam said: It is totally false to beleive that, I know of many people with no schizo in there family tree that got it cause of drugs, albeit temporarily
a few concerns that rise out of this are: how are they sure baout hte family history? maybe they carried the gene dormantly and never actually became schitzophrenic.
Also, the use of temporarily. my understanding is that schitzophrenia is permanent. it could have possibly just been psychosis or some other kind of symptoms
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity] 1
#21768591 - 06/06/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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If schizophrenia is permanent, I don't think the symptoms are. People on this website have claimed to no longer suffer from delusions.
I'm pretty sure that's akin to people with cancer, you don't ever not have cancer, you just have cancer in remission, right?
I dunno, I'm retarded. It's almost 4 am and I haven't been sleeping.
Catch me goin' psychotic soon.
The brain is so mother fucking fascinating
Edited by Psychonautica (06/06/15 01:40 AM)
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My doctor told me everyone's brain chemistry is different. We all react differently to drugs and they affect us in unique ways. One of the things that can happen when you take a drug is you get some prediposed condition brought to life.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#21768608 - 06/06/15 01:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's probably the first thing you've posted I've agreed with.
But no one is arguing that doesn't happen, so the point is moot.
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In my experience tho out of any drug I have taken, and this is just me, weed seems to be the one that used consistently that could defs bring out schizophrenia or depersonalization or stuff like that.
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Psychonautica said: Staying awake for 7 days is not schizophrenia. It has the same symptoms but it's not the same disease. That's a silly connection. The common cold and the spanish flu have the same symptoms, not the same disease.
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Astral Pain said: You don't have to quit your job to learn about these things. If this is something you have a true interest in, finding the time wouldn't be too difficult. It would be just like any other hobby, only this one could actually help yourself and others around you.
I'm actually going to work on this, I work with computers so that's already a pretty good start to this. I think the human brain is just a computer anyways.
You probably didn't realize something as silly and unimportant as that statement would inspire me, but it did.
If I can help even one person I can die happy. Psychosis is so horribly misunderstood
It's no different than a mechanic having knowledge about engines, but this is with the brain. A mechanic probably worked on cars his whole life and probably has a few at home. Everyone has had a brain since birth, and it would pointless to live your life without knowing the basics of how your personal engine between your ears operates.
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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Bitter Cactus] 1
#21768621 - 06/06/15 01:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Meth Psychosis is a billion times worse than weed paranoia.
But like I said about the diathesis stress model, being too high and violently paranoid is pretty fucking stressful, thus causing a psychotic break.
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weed is more or less what triggered my first initial schitzophrenic episode or saga or w/e you call it. i first became schitzophrenic as a result of smoking weed. iw as doing other drugs too at times and had alot of stress at the time too, but weed was the main potentiator and the constant between all of it. weed is what created my paranoia
later i got stabilized and improve. but lately i've damaged myself alot with a few years of meth abuse, combined again with strenuous life problems.
it seems when i get stressed and pressured is when my symptoms start to present themselves i guess.
the lame thing is that now im struggling to recover properly from my current situation with the damage i've done with meth and just life circumstances.
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i whimsically scanned a sentence that suggested schizophrenia could be linked to a feline parasite by the name of toxoplasmosis.
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Psychonautica said: Meth Psychosis is a billion times worse than weed paranoia.
Can't argue with that.
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