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Schizophrenia is caused by DNA.
    #21768199 - 06/05/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

http://www.iflscience.com/brain/scientists-closer-ever-discovering-cause-schizophrenia

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“We’re finally starting to understand what goes wrong in schizophrenia,” lead author Dr. Andrew Pocklington said in a statement. “We now have what we hope is a pretty sizeable piece of the jigsaw puzzle that will help us develop a coherent model of the disease, while helping us to rule out some of the alternatives.




Turns out, you do have to be genetically inclined to have schizophrenia. Thoughts?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 3
    #21768206 - 06/05/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I thought it was already accepted that mental illness was hereditary...

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21768214 - 06/05/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

A lot of people here think that Psychs can cause schizophrenia, because before we had no idea WHAT made you genetically predisposed to it. Now we have an idea of what and why it happens.

Psychs can cause symptoms of schizophrenia but I think this is proof that psychedelics cannot cause schizophrenia.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21768225 - 06/05/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

they could potentially trigger psychotic or manic episodes though. but not schizophrenia.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Vsnares.Zappa]
    #21768229 - 06/05/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Exactly.

The question is though, can someone who's schizophrenic go their whole lives without having a psychotic "break" as it's called?


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21768300 - 06/05/15 11:57 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, but just because you're 'predisposed' by your DNA doesnt mean you will end up with schizophrenia. it means you can

so it is still possible that some people who were triggered by psychedelics, never would have had schizophrenia ever if they had not taken them in the first place



not saying 'psychedelics totally cause schizophrenia.' just saying that there are situations in which they can. same goes with damn near any drug

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 2
    #21768307 - 06/05/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Just because it's caused by DNA doesn't mean you have to hereditarily inherit that DNA either.. DNA can change during your life quite a lot.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: twighead] * 1
    #21768313 - 06/06/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Just because it's caused by DNA doesn't mean you have to hereditarily inherit that DNA either.. DNA can change during your life quite a lot.




This is very true, it is called epigenetics. If you take drugs that have the potential to alter your DNA then yes, it is entirely possible to turn yourself schizophrenic.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Crystal G]
    #21768336 - 06/06/15 12:09 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

poppin meth and rape guilt cause my schizophrenia

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #21768337 - 06/06/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I think weed brings out schizophrenia in people.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Crystal G]
    #21768341 - 06/06/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

i believe 100% that people can be turned schitzophrenic/mentally ill from drug abuse. beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind. i don't know if i had a genetic pre-disposition to it, but it happened to me over a period of 10 years. kinda lame now cos i have to start babying myself and working to keep my mental health. where as previously it was just a given and impenetrable thing. in general growing older is lame


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768346 - 06/06/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Weed and stimulants can bring it out for sure.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21768351 - 06/06/15 12:13 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I love how they know what chemicals cause this stuff
but the end of the article always leads to more science rather then a change in lifestyle

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica] * 1
    #21768421 - 06/06/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

My sister is schizophrenic. I have an uncle who is schizophrenic and another uncle who is on death row for murder.

Im pretty much just in waiting at this point :hatsoff:

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #21768429 - 06/06/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Damn man, I hope you're not the 10 percent who has a psychotic break.

But if you do, this is probably one of the nicest communities to help you through that. I wish you the best.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768436 - 06/06/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

It's 100% genetic. And the inheritance percentage is remarkable. If someone with both parents having schizophrenia they have a 40% chance of having it. Even a higher 50% chance if a sibling has it if I remember correctly. That might be the % for a twin now that I think about it. I can see drug use exacerbating the already existing condition, but it by no means will cause it. Maybe cause schizophrenic symptoms


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #21768441 - 06/06/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.

what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768444 - 06/06/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

The average age for onset schizophrenia in males is 16-25. I'm 30 this year. Hopefully Im in the clear.

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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Soulidarity]
    #21768454 - 06/06/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

The article I linked only says you have 10 percent chance if a sibling has it.


But honestly, I'm pretty sure EVERYONE has a schizophrenic/psychotic member of the family, at least somewhere down the line.
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for arguements sake though, lets put people with the genetic condition to the side. im sure most will accept that.

what do you think about a person who doesn't have the schitzophrenic gene developing the condition though? i don't think they would be immune from the disease just because they don't have the gene. and i think it can definitely be developed through drug abuse and troubling life experiences




I don't personally believe those drugs can change DNA, no. That's just my opinion though, we don't have any facts.

Just thought the article was interesting as psychosis and psychedelics are holding hands quite often. I believe that drugs just push the limits of the diathesis stress model. Which is being in a situation of overwhelming stress, causes the psychotic break of schizophrenia.


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Re: Schizophrenia is caused by DNA. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21768494 - 06/06/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

but so you think someone that doesn't have the gene, no family history, none of any kind of genetic pre-disposition is then immune from schitzophrenia entirely?? i find that hard to believe myself


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