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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
#21768256 - 06/05/15 11:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: "Let me see your license please"
"Ok" **reaches for license
BLaM BLAM BLaM
Trigger happy retards
LOL i can't help but laugh... at just how inconsistent and idiotic it all is... *waits for Prisoner to defend the stupidest retarded actions of his favorite baton wielding friends*
fuck... this... stupid... shit
"show me your license"
*goes to get license*
"die mother fucker!"
i somehow get the impression that cop thought "black guy reaching for weapon" immediately after he went... you know... humanly... for his license. i guess either the cop expected him to just manifest the ID from his like mind, or... he was just afraid of nothingness, like as per usual.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768266 - 06/05/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the fuck are you even talking about. The kid had his hands down in his pants already when the cop pulled up on him. When he realized the cop was yelling at him he turned around and when the cop told him to put him arms up that's exactly what he did.. and he got shot in the chest as soon as he did. Completely unarmed. He had maybe 2 fucking seconds to react. Don't tell me you would act completely differently if you turn around and a cop is pointing a gun at your face.
He didn't make any threatening motions, he was BACKING away from the cop. At NO POINT was he a threat. It was just SURPRISE MOThERFUCKER!! BLAM Don't pretend like you know what was going through the kids mind. Bottom line, he hadn't committed ANY crime, he was UNNARMED, and they didn't even give him 3 seconds before putting some lead in his chest.
How the fuck was he ASKING for trouble? Please fucking explain that one to me.... I didn't know walking out of 711 was asking for trouble.
Watch the video again. 0:20 is a good shot of the victim without his hands in his pants, about to walk around the red pickup. 0:27 victim pulls his pants up and the officer draws his weapon. Again, I don't think this is necessary but I think drawing your taser is justified. This isn't just some random occurrence, there was a report of a weapon. This is the point where the man puts his hands in his pants.
And the victim didn't have two seconds to react, nor was he surprised as he "walked out of a 711". He was standing in front of the 711 where a report of a gun was called in, he and his associates clearly saw the officer, and he obviously heard and responded to the officer's commands. After the victim yells "No fool" can you honestly say that he was trying to put his hands up?
um yes.his hands were in his pants... and then he went to take them out of his pants and got shot. there is no way to know anything really because he was shot fuckin' dead, but why else would the cop have shot? because he was taking his hands out, and TRYING to put them up, like the fucking blockhead asked.
are you sure of anything? at all?
PS: in case you need this clearly defined... the guy doesn't have a police radio so... he couldn't know shit about fuck all in this situation.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768269 - 06/05/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My favorite part is at 1:05 when he is handcuffing the guy he just blasted in the chest who is bleeding out dying on the ground, and he gets some blood on his hands and wipes it on the guy's pants and looks at his hand and goes "AHhhh!". Goddamn it might stain, piece of shit criminals. He probably ruined that cops day from getting his blood all over his hands.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
#21768270 - 06/05/15 11:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: "Let me see your license please"
"Ok" **reaches for license
BLaM BLAM BLaM
Trigger happy retards
I've seen that footage and yes it's pretty fucked up. You're picking and choosing situations that support your argument. I'm focusing on the situation at hand, and when I did provide other examples, I chose the first five or six entries from a link you provided and didn't filter them to follow my agenda.
There's no doubt that cops fuck up daily and it results in innocent lives being lost. There's also no doubt that there are fucked up individuals who fuck up daily and it results in innocent lives being lost. IT GOES BOTH WAYS. All cops are not out to kill people, plain and simple.
Instances like the one you just provided are few and far between. It's nothing like the OP of this thread.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133] 3
#21768276 - 06/05/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah this one is fucked up too. Not all cops, no. But a fucking lot of them. And we don't just ignore problems because "well not everyone is doing it". It doesn't work like that. This is a systemic problem. Not just 'a few bad apples'.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
#21768278 - 06/05/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, that's the best part for sure...
you ever see the police video where the cops down a guy who's just gotten in a car accident and fell out of his car, and then while sitting on the ground bleeding and with glass and shit in him, the cops attempted to apprehend him (the now broken person) and because he was... A: in pain and B: a human with a central nervous system, he reeled in absolute pain and... was immediately a danger and got shot to death. sitting on the ground.
oh the cops excuse for their harsh commands to "get up get up!" so that they could apprehend him... "he had blood all over him... didn't want to get any on me".
just like this cop here with his "hey i stuck this guy like a pig... hey, ha! oh well what's this oh... it's not a gun... it's blood! ah!1 oh noes!! oh how could i have known"
*WAHHH WAHHHAA*
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768282 - 06/05/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Instances like the one you just provided are few and far between. It's nothing like the OP of this thread.
NO. instances YOU provide are all the same similar bullshit you always see.
we're talking about the situation HERE and NOW, and you STILL cannot comprehend how ridiculous your assertions are, so he's trying to something ANYTHING new. because with people like you, you will try and excuse ANYTHING as long as you felt the cop "might have possibly been in danger maybe". 
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You're picking and choosing situations that support your argument.
mindblowing... that's what just about every baton loving fuckhead here does.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: akira_akuma] 3
#21768295 - 06/05/15 11:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Or this guy

Hey, he just got in a brutal car accident and was ejected and totally unconscious with possible spinal damage, we better pile on top of him and beat the shit out of him to eliminate the threat!
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
#21768306 - 06/05/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol, i am so glad i've never been in contact with the police... well once... and he was a dick, but i won him over, so it doesn't count.
but really, some cops are just the most pusillanimous dastardly spineless and weak individuals that walk the Earth.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
#21768308 - 06/05/15 11:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Yeah this one is fucked up too. Not all cops, no. But a fucking lot of them. And we don't just ignore problems because "well not everyone is doing it".
You're right. Any time someone gets shot and killed it's pretty fucked up. The fact that it's fucked up doesn't make the officer who did the shooting in the OP a bloodthirsty pig looking for perps to fill full of lead.
I'm not trying to ignore the problem, I never mentioned anything about ignoring the increasing number of officer-involved shootings. Again, my beef is with people who automatically label the police force as a whole as "pigs".
I respect you more than some of the others in this thread because you're a mod and I would hope that you're not the kind of person who has misplaced hate towards the police force. I don't necessarily like cops either (some of the ones I've dealt with were unpleasant) but I respect what they have to do and deal with on a daily basis.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768323 - 06/06/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, your type... it's well known. against the claims that all cops are scum because you're just so right and lets make the issue about what you want to address because it's all important.
but it's not. what's more important is the image AND ACTIONS which portray the cops as, more often than not, completely uncaring and panicky human beings whom shouldn't be handling dangerous type situations because they aren't fit to.
that's more important than your "campaign" because your campaign means nothing and the campaign against you subscribes the a much better view of police... one that wants the best of the best and doesn't allow cops to be as fallible as your usual crony. we alll.... alllllll already know that "not all cops are bad". see we know that, and nothing changes... so opt for change.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768325 - 06/06/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: lol, i am so glad i've never been in contact with the police... well once... and he was a dick, but i won him over, so it doesn't count.
but really, some cops are just the most pusillanimous dastardly spineless and weak individuals that walk the Earth.
Look, you've already backed away from some of the things you said earlier like "cops are scum, this and that, etc." You even placed me in a group of people, I'm not entirely sure what group but it was clear that you were being condescending.
You're right, SOME cops are terrible people. Civilians can be terrible people too. At least there's some sort of a filter (I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE HIRING PROCESS FOR COPS IS AN END-ALL-CATCH-ALL FOR BAD EGGS) to get past to be a cop; there's no filter to get past to be a shitty guy on the street.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
#21768327 - 06/06/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Or this guy

Hey, he just got in a brutal car accident and was ejected and totally unconscious with possible spinal damage, we better pile on top of him and beat the shit out of him to eliminate the threat!
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768335 - 06/06/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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there's no filter to get past a bad cop, however.
and i don't need to say every post "BTW GUYTHS COPS ARE ACTUALLY REALLY WELL MEANING PEOPLE DURP DON'T HATE"
it's a fact that police ARE humans (in fact) and that they (like most uncaring humans) will face trials and tribulations... the best ones might even show a sign of them having a soul! point is: people are all gross, mostly, and cops don't need to be given more space than anyone else to be allowed to be terrible. OR terrible people.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: akira_akuma]
#21768350 - 06/06/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Instances like the one you just provided are few and far between. It's nothing like the OP of this thread.
NO. instances YOU provide are all the same similar bullshit you always see.
we're talking about the situation HERE and NOW, and you STILL cannot comprehend how ridiculous your assertions are, so he's trying to something ANYTHING new. because with people like you, you will try and excuse ANYTHING as long as you felt the cop "might have possibly been in danger maybe". 
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You're picking and choosing situations that support your argument.
mindblowing... that's what just about every baton loving fuckhead here does.
Why are you labeling me as a baton loving fuckhead? Do you know me? I haven't made any assumptions about the kind of person you are, I'm discussing the issue at hand.
I'd love for you to point out where I "picked and chose" situations to support my own argument. Again, I've spoken about the OP and a few entries from the Shroomism's link. I even included the entries that didn't support the point I was trying to make.
I'm tired and going to bed.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768362 - 06/06/15 12:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i said it's "what just about every baton loving fuckhead here does". i was connoting to the fact that you or may not be one of these people, if you read what i had wrote more carefully.
i wasn't labelling you. i was assuming, though, that you didn't mean for what you said to sound so ridiculous though.
most of the people here love to pick and choose their arguments, for two reasons... A: the sake of arguing... and B: the fact that the argument here (AS ALWAYS) ends up going nowhere, and people (on both sides BTW) tend to bring up other things to try and drill what they are saying into the other's head, because one side is like "but their cops!" and the other is like "but it's still doesn't make what they did right!" and it never goes anywhere even from there... but hey, arguing.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133] 1
#21768447 - 06/06/15 12:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I respect most of the cops I've personally come across because they have been pretty fair and are just trying to serve the community, which is what they should be doing. Except the cop that shot my unarmed friend in the back of the head for no reason who I had to watch die at 16. He can go fuck himself. And he's still on the force.
That doesn't negate the fact that we have an increasingly more and more fucked up situation going on with wanton police brutality in the US. And now we are equipping them with military surplus gear, increasingly militarizing the police. Now they are sending out fucking SWAT teams to raid petty suspected drug dealers and shit now. How many times have they raided the wrong house and killed innocent people in this war? Well here's a map for your convenience - http://www.cato.org/raidmap
Combine the War on Drugs with the "War on Terror" and the Patriot Act and other erosions of our civil liberties and saying fuck you to the Constitution, with the increased militarization of the police and you have a dangerous combination that ruins many innocent peoples lives all the time. Cops are now a bigger threat to everyone's safety than "Terrorism" and Gangs combined. It doesn't matter if you're innocent or unarmed or not doing anything wrong. Cops kill those people all the time now too.. and get away with it. Seems most people don't care until it happens to themselves or someone they love.
It's a complicated issue to be sure and there's no one single variable that can be blamed, yes we have a lot of fucked up people in society.. but partly that's because we have such a fucked up society in the first place. Controlled by an elite few who only serve the corporate interests and have politicians in their back pocket.. most police no longer serve and protect the people...they are mostly Jackbooted thugs, Stormtroopers.. the largest gang in America.. to maintain the system and push the agenda. They are not serving the people, anymore. They are eliminating the competition and furthering the agenda of the elite to have complete control. They are merely puppets.
Yeah, sure there are some good cops still. Some people get into it for good reasons, to help the community. But the good cops sit idly by on the sidelines and do nothing as their fellow corrupt officers violate all sorts of laws with virtually complete immunity. Cops who try and report misconduct against their own get threatened, harassed, or worse. It's a fucking cutthroat system. They no longer teach how to negotiate with crazy people, they just teach how to shoot first and ask questions later. Most cops are trained to view everyone as potential threats. So you can see why they are so quick to shoot the fuck out of anyone at the slightest gust of the wind.. when you see EVERYTHING as a threat, you tend to treat everything like a threat. If all you have is a hammer you tend to view every problem as a nail. It's a systemic problem with the police force in the US and the way they are trained and armed to the teeth, it encourages a 'shark' mentality. They are supposed to be protecting and serving the PEOPLE.. not protecting and serving THEIR ASS first and corporate interests second.
I think there are some psychopathic, murdering cops out there that get off on the abuse of power and unfortunately the system is set up in a way to protect people like this. It is extremely rare that a cop EVER gets in any serious trouble for killing someone (or raping... or whatever).. even if they were completely unnarmed. It's something like a 1% conviction rate or LESS against cops that have been INDICTED. That's only the cops that have been indicted.. the VAST majority of cases never even go that far.. in the majority of cases they get a 'paid vacation' while the department "investigates itself" and finds it justified. So why wouldn't they take advantage of a system like that, if you are almost sure to get away with it every time. It encourages that corrupt behavior completely and discourages whistleblowers from reporting internal corruption. Half of the problem is based on the fact that cops almost never face serious consequences for breaking the law or murdering someone, they get a free pass. If more cops were held accountable for their actions, the problematic incidents would be few and far between. But as it stands right now... If you want to be a serial killer and get away with it, become a cop. There's probably no better way.
So yeah, all cops aren't bad. But the police state in the US is fucked up and out of control and in need of some major reform. And it's not just their fault.. they are just "doing their job".. just like the Nazi SS were 'just doing their job' enforcing fucked up laws and backwards policies. So yeah, it's a bigger problem then just police. The whole system is fucked up... police are just the thugs protecting that system, and controlled by that system. So, the whole system needs to be reformed, for police to change. But yeah, they don't serve and protect the people anymore, for the most part. I'm talking OVERALL, of course there are going to outliers and exceptions. But the problem is much deeper than just "a few fucked up people", there are fucked up people on both sides of the spectrum.
So yeah, it's great that there are still some good cops out there. But there's a widespread pattern of corruption and abuse that spreads across MANY MANY departments. It is not just an anomaly, it's become more a nationwide norm.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
#21768676 - 06/06/15 02:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I don't know what media you're talking about but I get mine just fine.. then again I don't pay attention to mainstream media because it's all biased controlled bullshit for the most part and you should know that. But actually, you are the one bringing it up about the color of the person's skin and everyone would be in an uproar if he was black. People are in an uproar about this too. Like I said, it's not a race issue. It's a police issue. The mainstream media is fucked too but they aren't the ones killing innocent people.
There really is/are both issues at play here. Racism and police brutality. Really there are more, economic, for instance.
I sapose it's worth looking at it as a singularity (racism/police issues) or in connection with other issues, or at it's hight a singularity of connection.
Many of us have resolved issues within ourselves to a degree that allows us to see beyond race/religion/creed/w.e. to be able to respect a human being regardless of superficial pieces (wow that's a weird word to read, is that spelled right?lol)
guess that's what it"s about, eh? Respect.
For blacks tho, (if we're seeing in differences, yadda) it's a race issue for them. Well should be. In the u.s. . In regards to police brutality, of course. And as a way(means) of economic opression. Like that'd be worse, hah. Given history n all. But history doesn't have to be brushed over. It can be healed.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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Sry, i hashtagstole/endthread, cuz that was awesome.
Sry to hear about your friend Shroomism. It's usually hard to lose someone close let alone young :hugsbro:
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21769287 - 06/06/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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clown133 said: I'm no cop lover but let's break down this situation:
There's a report of a man waving around a gun. As the officer is pulling up to the parking lot, three men are visible. The victim is CLEARLY visible in the video (white shirt, stands out from the other two men). All three men CLEARLY notice the cop car (around 0:10). The victim turns around and starts walking away and the other two stand still, again obviously aware of the police car. So don't give me this bullshit about the victim not being aware of the officer/officers.
The officer approaches the man from behind. Again, this is a man who potentially has a firearm. The officer gives the man a command to get his hands out, which are stuffed down the front of his pants. The victim ignores him. You can argue that he doesn't hear the command the first time; I don't buy it, and here's why. The officer continues to command the victim to get his hands out and the man turns around, sees the officer has his gun drawn and CLEARLY shouts "No fool!" (around 0:34).
This proves a couple things: the victim was aware of the cops and their commands instead of innocently listening to music on his phone/iPod. It also proves that he's a moron for thinking it's OK to disrespect police officers who have their guns drawn and see him as a threat to their safety.
Should the officers have approached the man with guns drawn? No. They should have sought a non-lethal way to end the confrontation. Were the officers justified in their immediate response to subdue the victim? I say yes, undoubtedly. There were 117 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty last year, averages to one every three days. If I'm a cop, I'm not taking any chances. Personally I wouldn't use a firearm, but I wouldn't hesitate to taser that man. I can't see what he's reaching for in his pants, he's aware that I have my gun drawn, and he's made it clear that he is not thinking logically. How can you defend the victim's actions?
The responses in this thread make me wonder if any of you watched the video for details instead of the gore and cop-hate.
you're right, but that STILL doesn't justify drawing your gun and firing, there were plenty of ways to go about this situation. the dude was clearly being an idiot by walking away and not complying with the officers er, demands... however, what would you do if someone pointed a gun at you? you'd probably get a dump of adrenaline in your system eliciting a response from your fight or flight system in your body, prompting you to be much harder to handle as a person...
shit dude, a lot of times i see cops, especially when being pulled over i get a rush of adrenaline. i dont even have to be necessarily doing anything wrong, i see the lights and boom i got the jitters.
i still think the cop is in the wrong here... guns should be an ultimate last response, and i think if cops approached situations in a much more gentile manner i think we would certainly have less cop-involved homicides.
i mean shit, look at these two off duty swiss cops who were in new york on the subway, how they handled the situation talking the suspects down and trying to get them to calm down, which furthers my point...
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