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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21768141 - 06/05/15 11:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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You can say he's "free" but that doesn't excuse him from the laws that govern our country. Any logical human being would acknowledge the officer's commands, prove that they don't have a gun, and go about their fucking day.





and yet he was FREE BECAUSE he broke none of the laws of the country he was in. because he was illogical, doesn't mean he wasn't free to be... and doesn't mean he broke a law. he didn't.

and about the facebook thing... i don't care enough about a daily American occurence of the usual fucked-upedness to try and make excuses for the rationale of you types defending what has been proven to be a non-violent non-offender whom got killed for no reason, unless that it's reason enough to kill someone because... you think so.

which it isn't. so all of you types can just... grow up. :shrug:


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768142 - 06/05/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The people here on the shroomery would rather the cop die then have the cop defend themselves. In all of these videos the people are being tards and not obeying the commands and deserve to be shot. If I was a cop I would do the same because I would want to come home to my family.

The lesson here is when a cop says to put your hands up put your hands up. It is in the best interest for both parties.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768145 - 06/05/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not going to get into your hypothetical situation here.  That is totally irrelevant to the video where there was no weapon on the victim, he did not look at police, he did not commit a crime, and in my opinion he didn't do anything aggressive he just looked surprised.  Your assumptions about what happened are kind of appalling to me because it seems like you will go to great lengths to justify police when at best it is very questionable what happened.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21768147 - 06/05/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

no, not at all. the people at the shroomery just want your types to stop lying to yourselves. and look at the facts.

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not obeying the commands and deserve to be shot.




stop talking. no? then you must be shot.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Bitter Cactus]
    #21768163 - 06/05/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The lesson here is





cops are such absolute unthinking retarded scum sometimes that you can't trust them to handle their own emotions and not kill you even if you've done absolutely nothing wrong?

yep.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
    #21768172 - 06/05/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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did the guy in the video do anything violent? no. so no force was necessary. especially since he did nothing wrong. at all.


you do not have to come to police attention whenever they hop out of their vehicle. and the guy wasn't guilty of anything, and walking away from the cop was not illegal, and so the cop was not justified in even pulling out his weapon, let alone order him around... he could have detained him, but he didn't... he just shot him

you and your kind will never be able to weasel around the facts.




I agree that the officer didn't need to use his firearm, but I have no problem with him wanting to subdue the victim. Here are the "facts" that the officer was approaching this situation with: Someone reported a gun. A man sees the officer and immediately begins walking the other direction. He stuffs his hands down the front of his pants where people are known to keep weapons. He yells "No fool" and refuses to comply with the officer's commands. He makes sudden movements with his hidden hands.

Again, I don't think lethal force was necessary. But if I'm in that cop's shoes, I have my taser drawn and ready to fire.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768181 - 06/05/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the facts are that he had no weapon. he had nothing that was illegal. he didn't do anything illegal. and the cops made a mistake.

those are all the facts. all the rest of the presumptions on the cops part are not "facts", they are the absolute LACK of facts.

sad thing is the cop acted out of pure ignorance and ended up killing the guy and being absolutely fine with it, because of said ignorance.

was it the guy with the gun? NO.

that's the only relevant fact here. the cop fucked up.

if the cop hadn't have fucked up, and assessed the situation better, and had taken the approach calmly and without presumption of the facts, he'd have known that that guy wasn't the guy... whether the guy ran like an idiot or not, doesn't matter... he wasn't the one who was mistaken ENTIRELY about the situation. he might not have been smart about it, but he literally did nothing wrong (he certainly didn't run, just walked away. quite a suave tactic for a "supposed gun toting thug"). just died. i guess that can be construed as "wrong".


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 1
    #21768184 - 06/05/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The people here on the shroomery would rather the cop die then have the cop defend themselves. In all of these videos the people are being tards and not obeying the commands and deserve to be shot. If I was a cop I would do the same because I would want to come home to my family.

The lesson here is when a cop says to put your hands up put your hands up. It is in the best interest for both parties.




I would rather the cop risk his life than an innocent person die, yes, in the same way I would rather have a soldier die than a civilian.  That is what they are there for, that is what they signed up for.  I would respect them more if they were as careful with our lives as they are with their own, as I believe some are, but clearly some areas have problems.  Police thuggery isn't just something that disappeared one day, and there is plenty of documentation for it.  It happens.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768186 - 06/05/15 11:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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June 3: Man assaults police officer, steals police SUV, later points shotgun at officers and is killed. Man's accomplice shoots himself during the events. Justified.

June 3: Man flees from home at high speeds, suspected of drive by shooting, shoots at officers, is shot by officers. Justified.

June 2: Man is being investigated for terrorism, threatens officers with large knife. Justified, but sounds like nonlethal force should have been used.

June 1: Man is stabbing a woman, is commanded to drop knife, refuses, is shot. Justified.

June 1: Man is making suicidal threats, is on large amounts of Xanaxx. Drags cop with his car, is shot. Not sure about this one, there's not much detail.

June 1: Man robs liquor store, cops show up, man points gun at them, gets shot. Justified.

This is over the course of three fucking days. Have you considered the fact that there might just be a lot of shitty people on this planet?




Here's a couple you missed.

Friends said Morad, a nationally ranked debater who was preparing for university, had a bad reaction to psychedelic mushrooms and jumped through a second-story window. Police said he was shot after failing to obey commands to stop moving towards officers even when shocked with a Taser.
Status Under investigation

Police were called by Walmart about an alleged shoplifter. A struggle ensued as an officer arrested Chapman in the parking lot, a witness said. After the officer's Taser was knocked from his hand he stepped back and shot Chapman.
Status Under investigation

Gray died from injuries sustained during a prolonged ride in a police van while handcuffed and shackled on the floor. He was arrested after catching the eye of a police officer and running away. His death prompted protests and rioting in Baltimore and elsewhere. The six officers involved in his arrest were indicted on criminal charges including murder.
Status Officer charged with crime

Scott was pulled over by North Charleston police officer Michael Slager for a minor traffic violation. Scott fled but Slager caught up with him and attempted to deploy his Taser. The Taser was not effective and as Scott ran away, Slager opened fire. The final altercation was caught on video and led to Slager being charged with murder.
Status Officer charged with crime

Harris fled an arrest after he sold a gun to undercover officers working a sting operation. He was caught by officers and shot by a 73-year-old part-time reserve deputy, who said he intended to use a Taser. Harris told officers 'I'm losing my breath,' to which one replied: 'Fuck your breath.'
Status Officer charged with crime

Police said Jones broke into a grocery store and tried to escape with cigarettes and Canadian coins. Two police officers confronted him on the sidewalk and tried to arrest him, but a struggle ensued. One fired a shot that hit Jones in the chest.
Status Under investigation

Kassick got into an altercation with a police officer after fleeing a traffic stop. He was lying down when he was shot twice in the back.
Status Criminal prosecution

Glenn was panhandling outside a bar in Venice when a customer complained that he was harassing customers. He wound up in a scuffle with a bouncer and two officers, one of whom shot and killed him. After viewing unreleased tape of the incident, LAPD police chief Charlie Beck said: 'Any time an unarmed person is shot by a Los Angeles police officer, it takes extraordinary circumstances to justify that. I have not seen those extraordinary circumstances.'
Status Under investigation

A Swat team arrived at Cruice's shared residence to serve a narcotics warrant. Cruice answered the door unarmed and was shot within seconds. Police argue they 'met resistance' but witnesses in the house say Cruice was not resistant and did not reach for anything.
Status Under investigation

Hall was schizophrenic and in the midst of a psychotic episode when police arrived. Officers claim Hall attacked them with a broomstick, but video released by his family suggests he may have been running away.
Status Under investigation

Pierce was taken into police custody and was the victim of an officer-involved shooting a few hours later. No further details have been made available.
Status Under investigation

No one is denying there's shitty people on the planet... many of those people had it coming to them or were quite obviously trying to suicide by police.
But the amount of unnarmed and innocent people they kill is completely ridiculous.
Or killing people for brandishing a fucking broomstick or ipod. Or killing people for petty crimes like petty theft.
Or shooting people in the back who are already subdued and under arrest.
Or pull ing up onto a scene and see someone wielding a knife or acting crazy and within 2 seconds unloading a magazine into their chest without trying to talk them down or go for non-lethal measures first.

Have you considered the fact there might be a lot of shitty police officers?

Sure.. cops don't have an easy job.. but they don't have the most dangerous job either, not by a long shot. They aren't even in the top fucking 10. Garbage men have much dangerous jobs than cops do.
If you are too afraid of every citizen that it's shoot first and ask questions later, then you shouldn't be a cop.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Bitter Cactus] * 2
    #21768188 - 06/05/15 11:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not all police are blood thirsty pigs, but not all victims are guilty. This conflict swings both ways. I agree that the police have a right and a job to protect themselves and others, but I also believe that many police officers (in my experience) are unnecessarily aggressive and unfit for their position of power.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #21768191 - 06/05/15 11:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm not going to get into your hypothetical situation here.  That is totally irrelevant to the video where there was no weapon on the victim, he did not look at police, he did not commit a crime, and in my opinion he didn't do anything aggressive he just looked surprised.  Your assumptions about what happened are kind of appalling to me because it seems like you will go to great lengths to justify police when at best it is very questionable what happened.




How was the officer supposed to know the man didn't have a weapon? And how in the hell can you say this man was "surprised"? Again, he obviously saw the police car pull up, he even turned around and responded to the officer before he was shot. There was not surprise here.

I also don't think there's anything questionable about what happened. The victim was doing things that a responsible, logical person wouldn't do in that situation, and it made him look like he was a threat to the officer. The officer perceived a threat and responded accordingly. Again, I don't think lethal force was necessary. But I do believe the victim knew exactly what he was doing, was asking for trouble, and his actions warranted the use of NON-LETHAL force.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768198 - 06/05/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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There was not surprise here.




no there wasn't. someone doing waht that man did warrants nothing.

lets see if this can get through the head here

warrants nothing.

it warrants nothing...

thirdly it... warrants nothing.

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like he was a threat to the officer.




yes, drop another bomb...

no...

no he wasn't. no he didn't. and no no no... he didn't look like a threat, didn't present a threat, nothing of the sort... you must be insane. go see medical attention. also all the other people who say this absolute drivel, go too. go away. i know there is an island where crazy people who think every and any kind of gesture or movement or breathing pattern is a sign of danger... i know it. go there.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768203 - 06/05/15 11:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How was the officer supposed to know the man didn't have a weapon? And how in the hell can you say this man was "surprised"? Again, he obviously saw the police car pull up, he even turned around and responded to the officer before he was shot. There was not surprise here.

I also don't think there's anything questionable about what happened. The victim was doing things that a responsible, logical person wouldn't do in that situation, and it made him look like he was a threat to the officer. The officer perceived a threat and responded accordingly. Again, I don't think lethal force was necessary. But I do believe the victim knew exactly what he was doing, was asking for trouble, and his actions warranted the use of NON-LETHAL force.




What the fuck are you even talking about. The kid had his hands down in his pants already when the cop pulled up on him. When he realized the cop was yelling at him he turned around and when the cop told him to put him arms up that's exactly what he did.. and he got shot in the chest as soon as he did. Completely unarmed. He had maybe 2 fucking seconds to react. Don't tell me you would act completely differently if you turn around and a cop is pointing a gun at your face.

He didn't make any threatening motions, he was BACKING away from the cop. At NO POINT was he a threat. It was just SURPRISE MOThERFUCKER!! BLAM
Don't pretend like you know what was going through the kids mind. Bottom line, he hadn't committed ANY crime, he was UNNARMED, and they didn't even give him 3 seconds before putting some lead in his chest.

How the fuck was he ASKING for trouble? Please fucking explain that one to me.... I didn't know walking out of 711 was asking for trouble.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
    #21768210 - 06/05/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

this is why people hate Americans. because of this sort of one-sided idiot debate about nothingness construed as DANGER DANGER KILL KILL KILL.

America... the great.

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Don't pretend like you know what was going through the kids mind. Bottom line, he hadn't committed ANY crime, he was UNNARMED, and they didn't even give him 3 seconds before putting some lead in his chest.




don't forget the cuffing afterwards... of like the guy's blood choking near-corpse.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
    #21768216 - 06/05/15 11:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Here's a couple you missed.

Friends said Morad, a nationally ranked debater who was preparing for university, had a bad reaction to psychedelic mushrooms and jumped through a second-story window. Police said he was shot after failing to obey commands to stop moving towards officers even when shocked with a Taser.
Status Under investigation

Police were called by Walmart about an alleged shoplifter. A struggle ensued as an officer arrested Chapman in the parking lot, a witness said. After the officer's Taser was knocked from his hand he stepped back and shot Chapman.
Status Under investigation

Gray died from injuries sustained during a prolonged ride in a police van while handcuffed and shackled on the floor. He was arrested after catching the eye of a police officer and running away. His death prompted protests and rioting in Baltimore and elsewhere. The six officers involved in his arrest were indicted on criminal charges including murder.
Status Officer charged with crime

Scott was pulled over by North Charleston police officer Michael Slager for a minor traffic violation. Scott fled but Slager caught up with him and attempted to deploy his Taser. The Taser was not effective and as Scott ran away, Slager opened fire. The final altercation was caught on video and led to Slager being charged with murder.
Status Officer charged with crime

Harris fled an arrest after he sold a gun to undercover officers working a sting operation. He was caught by officers and shot by a 73-year-old part-time reserve deputy, who said he intended to use a Taser. Harris told officers 'I'm losing my breath,' to which one replied: 'Fuck your breath.'
Status Officer charged with crime

Police said Jones broke into a grocery store and tried to escape with cigarettes and Canadian coins. Two police officers confronted him on the sidewalk and tried to arrest him, but a struggle ensued. One fired a shot that hit Jones in the chest.
Status Under investigation

Kassick got into an altercation with a police officer after fleeing a traffic stop. He was lying down when he was shot twice in the back.
Status Criminal prosecution

Glenn was panhandling outside a bar in Venice when a customer complained that he was harassing customers. He wound up in a scuffle with a bouncer and two officers, one of whom shot and killed him. After viewing unreleased tape of the incident, LAPD police chief Charlie Beck said: 'Any time an unarmed person is shot by a Los Angeles police officer, it takes extraordinary circumstances to justify that. I have not seen those extraordinary circumstances.'
Status Under investigation

A Swat team arrived at Cruice's shared residence to serve a narcotics warrant. Cruice answered the door unarmed and was shot within seconds. Police argue they 'met resistance' but witnesses in the house say Cruice was not resistant and did not reach for anything.
Status Under investigation

Hall was schizophrenic and in the midst of a psychotic episode when police arrived. Officers claim Hall attacked them with a broomstick, but video released by his family suggests he may have been running away.
Status Under investigation

Pierce was taken into police custody and was the victim of an officer-involved shooting a few hours later. No further details have been made available.
Status Under investigation

No one is denying there's shitty people on the planet... many of those people had it coming to them or were quite obviously trying to suicide by police.
But the amount of unnarmed and innocent people they kill is completely ridiculous.
Or killing people for brandishing a fucking broomstick or ipod. Or killing people for petty crimes like petty theft.
Or shooting people in the back who are already subdued and under arrest.
Or pull ing up onto a scene and see someone wielding a knife or acting crazy and within 2 seconds unloading a magazine into their chest without trying to talk them down or go for non-lethal measures first.

Have you considered the fact there might be a lot of shitty police officers?

Sure.. cops don't have an easy job.. but they don't have the most dangerous job either, not by a long shot. They aren't even in the top fucking 10. Garbage men have much dangerous jobs than cops do.
If you are too afraid of every citizen that it's shoot first and ask questions later, then you shouldn't be a cop.




I acknowledge that many of the entries on that site are unjustified killings. No question. However, I didn't go through and pick and choose the entries I chose. I listed the first few that popped up, whether they were justified or not. I was simply making a point that there are indeed people who deserve to be shot, contrary to what moonrockmushy believes.

I think i_was_the_walrus hit the nail on the head: the conflict swings both ways. I'm in no way siding with the police on a broad scale. The big problem I have is this trend of cop-hating and labeling all law enforcement officers as bloodthirsty pigs. It's a combination of both civilians and cops becoming more accepting of violence (particularly lethal violence) as an answer, and that's a societal problem.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768222 - 06/05/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you know what; hating on cops, usually doesn't effect anyone... but cops killing innocents... um, that's effecting someone... by taking their life.

one of those things is not like the other! *quotes Foo fighters, must be shot on sight*


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
    #21768231 - 06/05/15 11:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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I'm not going to get into your hypothetical situation here.  That is totally irrelevant to the video where there was no weapon on the victim, he did not look at police, he did not commit a crime, and in my opinion he didn't do anything aggressive he just looked surprised.  Your assumptions about what happened are kind of appalling to me because it seems like you will go to great lengths to justify police when at best it is very questionable what happened.




How was the officer supposed to know the man didn't have a weapon? And how in the hell can you say this man was "surprised"? Again, he obviously saw the police car pull up, he even turned around and responded to the officer before he was shot. There was not surprise here.

I also don't think there's anything questionable about what happened. The victim was doing things that a responsible, logical person wouldn't do in that situation, and it made him look like he was a threat to the officer. The officer perceived a threat and responded accordingly. Again, I don't think lethal force was necessary. But I do believe the victim knew exactly what he was doing, was asking for trouble, and his actions warranted the use of NON-LETHAL force.




I sure as hell might walk away if police pulled into the parking lot being totally honest.  They fucking shoot people, handcuff them, and watch them bleed out like it is another days work.  We are allowed to not want to be fucked with.  That isn't a crime.  This dude did nothing wrong, actually him complied, which is probably what got him shot unfortunately.  The cop should have waited to see the gun, but he didn't, and now he should suffer the consequences.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21768248 - 06/05/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

he should be mocked and ridiculed above all else... even if he gets jail, he should still have to endure the pure indelible anger of people he's effected, and the people whom are sick of police idiots, as a message, that hopefully might be able to change at least ONE idiot cop's braindead idiot mind.


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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #21768250 - 06/05/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"Let me see your license please"

"Ok"
**reaches for license

BLaM BLAM BLaM



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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism]
    #21768255 - 06/05/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What the fuck are you even talking about. The kid had his hands down in his pants already when the cop pulled up on him. When he realized the cop was yelling at him he turned around and when the cop told him to put him arms up that's exactly what he did.. and he got shot in the chest as soon as he did. Completely unarmed. He had maybe 2 fucking seconds to react. Don't tell me you would act completely differently if you turn around and a cop is pointing a gun at your face.

He didn't make any threatening motions, he was BACKING away from the cop. At NO POINT was he a threat. It was just SURPRISE MOThERFUCKER!! BLAM
Don't pretend like you know what was going through the kids mind. Bottom line, he hadn't committed ANY crime, he was UNNARMED, and they didn't even give him 3 seconds before putting some lead in his chest.

How the fuck was he ASKING for trouble? Please fucking explain that one to me.... I didn't know walking out of 711 was asking for trouble.




Watch the video again. 0:20 is a good shot of the victim without his hands in his pants, about to walk around the red pickup. 0:27 victim pulls his pants up and the officer draws his weapon. Again, I don't think this is necessary but I think drawing your taser is justified. This isn't just some random occurrence, there was a report of a weapon. This is the point where the man puts his hands in his pants.

And the victim didn't have two seconds to react, nor was he surprised as he "walked out of a 711". He was standing in front of the 711 where a report of a gun was called in, he and his associates clearly saw the officer, and he obviously heard and responded to the officer's commands. After the victim yells "No fool" can you honestly say that he was trying to put his hands up?


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