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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Konyap] 1
#21767871 - 06/05/15 09:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm no cop lover but let's break down this situation:
There's a report of a man waving around a gun. As the officer is pulling up to the parking lot, three men are visible. The victim is CLEARLY visible in the video (white shirt, stands out from the other two men). All three men CLEARLY notice the cop car (around 0:10). The victim turns around and starts walking away and the other two stand still, again obviously aware of the police car. So don't give me this bullshit about the victim not being aware of the officer/officers.
The officer approaches the man from behind. Again, this is a man who potentially has a firearm. The officer gives the man a command to get his hands out, which are stuffed down the front of his pants. The victim ignores him. You can argue that he doesn't hear the command the first time; I don't buy it, and here's why. The officer continues to command the victim to get his hands out and the man turns around, sees the officer has his gun drawn and CLEARLY shouts "No fool!" (around 0:34).
This proves a couple things: the victim was aware of the cops and their commands instead of innocently listening to music on his phone/iPod. It also proves that he's a moron for thinking it's OK to disrespect police officers who have their guns drawn and see him as a threat to their safety.
Should the officers have approached the man with guns drawn? No. They should have sought a non-lethal way to end the confrontation. Were the officers justified in their immediate response to subdue the victim? I say yes, undoubtedly. There were 117 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty last year, averages to one every three days. If I'm a cop, I'm not taking any chances. Personally I wouldn't use a firearm, but I wouldn't hesitate to taser that man. I can't see what he's reaching for in his pants, he's aware that I have my gun drawn, and he's made it clear that he is not thinking logically. How can you defend the victim's actions?
The responses in this thread make me wonder if any of you watched the video for details instead of the gore and cop-hate.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21767895 - 06/05/15 10:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the victims inaction.
you mean the victims inactions... and i can explain them... he's a human who's free and not the cops puppet.
nice try though.
PS: moving your feet and not wanting to address the police when they just "pop up" and you have no idea why... is not illegal... just... before you go there. just know.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: JustForToday]
#21767919 - 06/05/15 10:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I will never get over them handcuffing people after shooting them. Maybe there is a perfectly valid reason behind it, but that just really brings the inhumanity home.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#21767933 - 06/05/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Like it or not, the police have a job to do. They get a report about a man waving a gun around, they are obligated to investigate. It's their job and the majority of them simply want to do their job, get a paycheck, and go home to their families. You can say he's "free" but that doesn't excuse him from the laws that govern our country. Any logical human being would acknowledge the officer's commands, prove that they don't have a gun, and go about their fucking day.
Instead, this moron decides he's gonna act tough and make a scene, and he died as a result. Check out this facebook post from the guy's page a few days before the shooting. Gives a little insight into the victim's state of mind.
https://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/s-sl-shooting-dillion-facebook-post-2-explicit-copy1.jpg?w=770
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21767950 - 06/05/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There were 117 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty last year, averages to one every three days.
That's funny cause there were 479 killed by them already this year
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database# (thanks shroomism)
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21767971 - 06/05/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: the victims inaction.
PS: moving your feet and not wanting to address the police when they just "pop up" and you have no idea why... is not illegal... just... before you go there. just know.
Cmon man, the video clearly shows that it's more than that. He's not just moving his feet and not wanting to address the police. He's ignoring direct commands from officers with their guns drawn. He CLEARLY SEES THE OFFICER POINTING A GUN AT HIM. And he decides to yell "No fool!" and make a sudden movement with hands that aren't visible. That's not inaction. That's a stupid, reckless, arrogant action and it got him killed.
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That's funny cause there were 479 killed by them already this year
Believe it or not, a lot of those people deserved to be killed. I can't get that webpage to load, but I'm assuming that statistic doesn't say how many of those people were innocent.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768001 - 06/05/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Guilty until proved innocent, eh? How American.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21768010 - 06/05/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's funny cause there were 479 killed by them already this year
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database# (thanks shroomism)
Ok I got that link to load. The first one I clicked on: June 4. Two masked gunman hold up a pizza restaurant. One holds a gun (carrying blanks) to an off-duty detective. The detective kills him. Unquestionably justified.
Second one: June 3. Man leads police on chase, police deploy K9, man threatens them with knife. Police kill him. Questionably justified, I would have rather seen them use non-lethal force but force was indeed necessary.
Third: June 3. Man matching description of robbery is struck by officer's car and dies from injuries. Not justified, but it's under investigation.
Fourth: June 3. This one has very little detail, says "something happened" during domestic welfare check and officers opened fire. Impossible to tell if it's justified.
Fifth: Man exits home with shotgun and points it at officers. Entirely justified.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768013 - 06/05/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can someone please make a cop shoots innocent person mega thread? If not I'll make one later.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21768027 - 06/05/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Guilty until proved innocent, eh? How American.
You're twisting my words. I said a lot of them deserved to be killed, not all of them.
Read my previous post. At least two of the first five deaths I looked into were completely justified. No question. The moment you point a gun at an officer, you're guilty.
Would you like me to paraphrase some more of the entries from the link you provided?
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133] 1
#21768059 - 06/05/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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June 3: Man assaults police officer, steals police SUV, later points shotgun at officers and is killed. Man's accomplice shoots himself during the events. Justified.
June 3: Man flees from home at high speeds, suspected of drive by shooting, shoots at officers, is shot by officers. Justified.
June 2: Man is being investigated for terrorism, threatens officers with large knife. Justified, but sounds like nonlethal force should have been used.
June 1: Man is stabbing a woman, is commanded to drop knife, refuses, is shot. Justified.
June 1: Man is making suicidal threats, is on large amounts of Xanaxx. Drags cop with his car, is shot. Not sure about this one, there's not much detail.
June 1: Man robs liquor store, cops show up, man points gun at them, gets shot. Justified.
This is over the course of three fucking days. Have you considered the fact that there might just be a lot of shitty people on this planet?
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768061 - 06/05/15 10:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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clown133 said: Should the officers have approached the man with guns drawn? No. They should have sought a non-lethal way to end the confrontation. Were the officers justified in their immediate response to subdue the victim? I say yes, undoubtedly. There were 117 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty last year, averages to one every three days.
And HALF of those deaths are from car accidents.
Meanwhile, US police killed 1,104 people last year. That averages to about 3 a day.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768067 - 06/05/15 10:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Police think the balance should be tipped in their favor, but the seem completely oblivious that they got into a very dangerous profession, and that alone doesn't give them a licence to kill. I firmly believe that before you kill someone, you should know that your life is in danger, or be prepared to face the consequences if you're wrong. It's the same rules the rest of us live by, and if the current cops want to abandon their post over this I will happily step into their shoes, but I refuse to put someone in jail over drugs.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: Shroomism] 1
#21768072 - 06/05/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And HALF of those deaths are from car accidents.
Meanwhile, US police killed 1,104 people last year. That averages to about 3 a day.
Check out the entries I lifted from the link you apparently provided some time ago.
Would you agree that the majority of those people deserved to be shot and killed?
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21768081 - 06/05/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Police think the balance should be tipped in their favor, but the seem completely oblivious that they got into a very dangerous profession, and that alone doesn't give them a licence to kill. I firmly believe that before you kill someone, you should know that your life is in danger, or be prepared to face the consequences if you're wrong. It's the same rules the rest of us live by, and if the current cops want to abandon their post I will happily step into their shoes, but I refuse to put someone in jail over drugs.
Drugs have little to nothing to do with this. Look at the entries I lifted from the link you provided. People pointing guns at cops deserve to be shot. If you feel differently please explain yourself. If you have a gun and someone is pointing a gun at you, don't you wanna pull the trigger first?
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768084 - 06/05/15 10:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nobody deserves to be shot, even that language kinda shows your nature. It is always unfortunate, and sometimes it is justified.
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#21768099 - 06/05/15 10:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Nobody deserves to be shot, even that language kinda shows your nature. It is always unfortunate, and sometimes it is justified.
You gotta be kidding me man.
You're telling me that the man who stole a police SUV and pointed a shotgun at officers didn't deserve to be shot? The man who was in the process of stabbing a woman and refused to drop the knife didn't deserve to be shot?
I'm not a gun advocate. I'm not a death penalty advocate. But I will stand up for a police officer who is in clear danger and is forced to make a decision between taking a life and losing his own.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768107 - 06/05/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No nobody deserves that. That is why we have laws. Committing a crime doesn't make you not human.
Sometimes it is justified, but that must be weighed heavily as there is alot at stake on both sides, and you definitely shouldn't be going in thinking that there are people who deserve to die in the world. If there are police like that they need to be taken off the force.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: clown133]
#21768122 - 06/05/15 11:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Drugs have little to nothing to do with this. Look at the entries I lifted from the link you provided. People pointing guns at cops deserve to be shot. If you feel differently please explain yourself. If you have a gun and someone is pointing a gun at you, don't you wanna pull the trigger first?
did the guy in the video do anything violent? no. so no force was necessary. especially since he did nothing wrong. at all.
you do not have to come to police attention whenever they hop out of their vehicle. and the guy wasn't guilty of anything, and walking away from the cop was not illegal, and so the cop was not justified in even pulling out his weapon, let alone order him around... he could have detained him, but he didn't... he just shot him
you and your kind will never be able to weasel around the facts.
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Re: Cop kills white guy for no reason [Re: moonrockmushy] 1
#21768139 - 06/05/15 11:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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What does "weighed heavily" mean?
Let's say you're the first officer on the scene of the man who's stabbing a woman with a large knife. You see the knife. You see the blood. You see the woman. You command the man to drop his weapon, he refuses. I'm gonna estimate (generously) that the officer had about five seconds to make a decision.
Let's say you're the officer who approaches a house where gunshots were reported and you're greeted by a man pointing a shotgun at your face. Again, how "heavily" can you "weigh" the situation?
In addition, you're right, committing a crime doesn't make you not human. However, stealing a police SUV and pointing a shotgun at officers DOES make you a homicidal danger to innocent people. There's no question in my mind that someone in that state deserves to die. I don't want someone like that to kill me. I want that officer to do whatever the hell he thinks is necessary to make sure that those shotgun shells aren't ripping through my torso. If his first course of action is to start shooting, I'm all for it.
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