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US Saddam Hypocrisy
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"Well we have finally captured that brutal dictator that killed untold numbers of Iraqis."

Naturally, let us ALL overlook the fact that Reagan and Bush senior supported Saddam in the early 1980s, knowing full well the level of his atrocities, while giving financial and military suport to him, including illegal biological weapons, to fight the Iranians.

Also worthy of note, but conveniently forgotten, was that Baby Bush NEVER once spoke of the "Iraqi people" before the illegal War on Iraq. It was only AFTER the WOMD were NOT found that the rhethoric quickly changed. Even though some 5,000 to 15,000 Iraqi citizens were killed in the war, they may rest easy as they died out of our concern for well-being.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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I knew this had to be eating you alive!

:lol:

Truly hysterical!

What would you do, pardon him?

:lol:

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: ]
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Why should their hypocrisy have anything to do with the fate of Saddam, Mr.Mushrooms? Flawed logic.

It should possibly have an effect on the fate of people who have previously supported his bloody regime. But that's not how the world works.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: ]
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The 1984 public U.S. condemnation of chemical weapons use in the Iran-Iraq war, which said, referring to the Ayatollah Khomeini's refusal to agree to end hostilities until Saddam Hussein was ejected from power, "The United States finds the present Iranian regime's intransigent refusal to deviate from its avowed objective of eliminating the legitimate government of neighboring Iraq to be inconsistent with the accepted norms of behavior among nations and the moral and religious basis which it claims."


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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Swami writes:

Naturally, let us ALL overlook the fact that Reagan and Bush senior supported Saddam in the early 1980s, knowing full well the level of his atrocities...

So because the US once gave him intelligence info while he was at war with a US enemy, they must support him for all time?

...while giving financial and military suport to him...

How many other countries bought Iraqi oil? What military support do you mean, other than leaking satellite info re Iranian troop dispositions with him?

...including illegal biological weapons...

Sorry... anthrax cultures are not considered biological weapons.

... to fight the Iranians.

These would be the same Iranians who held American hostages for how many hundred days. The same Iranians chanting "Death to the Great Satan" at the drop of a turban.

Also worthy of note, but conveniently forgotten, was that Baby Bush NEVER once spoke of the "Iraqi people"...

Completely and totally incorrect. Bush's speeches are a matter of public record. They can be found at the White House web site if nowhere else. In every speech on the topic Bush mentioned all of Hussein's violations of the 1991 conditional ceasefire agreement, including his treatment of those unfortunate enough to be living within Iraq's borders.

...before the illegal War on Iraq.

In what court has it been decided that resumption of military hostilities was illegal? Since when has it been declared illegal to resume fire after all the conditions of a provisional ceasefire have been ignored?

It was only AFTER the WOMD were NOT found that the rhethoric quickly changed.

Incorrect. See above.

Even though some 5,000 to 15,000 Iraqi citizens were killed in the war...

Incorrect. The most pessimistic figures, which do not differentiate between civilians and combatants not in proper uniform at the time of their death, are in the 6,000 to 9,000 range. They also count civilians killed by Ba'athist cadres shooting civilians for "desertion" or "non-co-operation".

Compare this to the most conservative prewar estimate of 300,000 civilians killed by Hussein's thugs, which is now considered to be a gross underestimate. Human rights groups are revising that figure upwards almost weekly with the discovery of new mass graves. The range now is considered to be 600,000 to possibly as much as a million.

If Hussein had remained in power, how long would it have taken him to torture and kill another 10,000?

Swami, all of the points you raised just now have been thoroughly discussed in this forum in the last year. You are so far behind the curve on the realities of the things you talk about it is embarassing to have to read them.

Get a fact checker before your next post, or wait till the search feature is working here again and spend a few hours checking the numerous links which have been posted here refuting your assertions.

pinky


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Phred]
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While Saddam was attempting genocide on the Kurds for decades, the US never once spoke out publicly against Hussein.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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And if we did people would say we were in it for the oil.

Nice when you can't win either way, isn't it?

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: ]
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I remember being taught it wasn't whether you win or lose but rather how you play the game.
Forgive me my old fashioned thinking :wink:
WR:rasta:


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: ]
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Nice when you can't win either way, isn't it?

it's what happens when you play both sides...

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: ]
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Mr_Mushrooms said:
And if we did people would say we were in it for the oil.

Nice when you can't win either way, isn't it?


Exactly. Anything that the Bush administration does is seen as wrong, we are either being lenient to a dictator that we support, or we are overthrowing a kindly old gentleman so our EvilBushCo can steal his oil.

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: enimatpyrt]
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There is always a middle ground...The argument assumes that the United States has some form of duty to overthrow this government. In the end, we captured an old man. Someone who used to do terrible things. Someone who no longer posed a threat to anyone. When I look at the pictures of him, all I see is someone who lost everything. His country, his sons, and his freedom.

Is the world a safer place for it? Is the United States safer for it? Who knows...I somehow doubt it...What is certain is that Bush's political aspirations are safer because of it..


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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I'd bet the Iraqi people feel safer.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I don't know if the iraqi people feel safer or not. I would like to believe that it is true...it would make the war more paletable to me...but I have a hard time believing it. If we were occupied by another country's army, I would not feel all that safe...It is one piece of information I really wish that I had, but alas...all of my info comes from a media that I cannot trust.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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luvdemshrooms said:
I'd bet the Iraqi people feel safer.


Most Iraqis now see that Spider man couldn't have came back to power anyway.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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Um, pinksharkmark, I've heard estimates well in excess of 9,000.  In fact, Swami just gave us one and I'm sure he has some sort of source for that.  And you can't deny the illegality of that war and various other activities of the United States recently.  I take that back, you can.  But it shows how weak a grasp of international law you have.  You CANNOT invade a nation that isn't posing a direct threat towards you without violating international law.  And Hussein hasn't been shown to be the cause of a single american on american soil.

Goodness, I never thought I'd be on the same side of an argument as Swami.  It feels so wierd...  :confused:

And if you've seen those pictures of the Communist Party celebrating in the streets, don't worry, that's not the real Communist Party.  There was a fairly serious schism in the party when the offical leadership bent knee to yankee imperialism.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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There is no way of knowing if he could have come back or not.

Doesn't change the fact that the Iraqis probably feel safer today then yesterday.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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If he could have came back, you could have came back. Anyone could have came back. (not literally, but you get my drift)


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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And as long as the possibility of a come-back existed, there was fear.

Now that the possibility seems gone, there is less fear. Or so any rational person would think.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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But you are making the assumption that people were more afraid of saddam than they are of the united states army. I don't know if that is true. It seems like it would be pretty scary to know that foreign soldiers are walking down the streets with automatic rifles. It would scare me enough if United states soldiers were walking down my street, and I share a language, nationality, and homeland with them.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Frankly, making the assertion that Iraqis are able to sleep easier tonight is making the assumption that the Iraqi people are imbeciles who permanently identify with the reign of Hussein. There are alot of Iraqis who would rather see the stability of Saddam's government than the chaos of the occupying Coalition Forces.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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Hmmm. Let's see.... which is scarier:
A. Someone who thinks nothing of torturing anyone he likes whenever he likes for whatever reason he wishes?
B. People who do not?

Let me mull this over for awhi....never mind. I decided already.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Which is Which? Are you saying that the united states doesnt have a history of torture? You act as if we havent killed millions of people for our own selfish purposes...What makes you think that the Iraqi people are going to share your view? I think that the people of Iraq had a government that was oppressive, yes...But no more oppressive than ours...


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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I made no assertion hence the word "probably".

Now as I said, I used the word probably. You however used nothing of the sort when you said this....

"There are alot of Iraqis who would rather see the stability of Saddam's government than the chaos of the occupying Coalition Forces."

Please be so kind as to:
A. Define a "lot".
B. Back it up with some stats.

Frankly though, after the way the first Bush left the Iraqis
to sink or swim, I'd be amazed if the majority of the Iraqis weren't concerned we'd do the same again.



Actually, don't trouble yourself. My feeling is your hatred of Bush will forever cloud your judgement as to whether the Iraqis feel safer or not.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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I was going to answer your post with a simple....
My, aren't you a funny lil' fella. Why? Because that was all the response it deserved.

Up until this point...
"You act as if we havent killed millions of people for our own selfish purposes"

So, we have or had mass graves filled with people that after pissing off the powers that be, then tortured and killed these "millions" of people?

Here is the kindest reply I can muster for you....

:lol:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Yes, there are Iraqis who do "feel safer" now that Saddam is gone, the man was a dictator in every sense of the word - in fact when it was being announced several Iraqi reporters got highly emotional and started shouting. My original point was that making statements along the lines of "The Iraqis will sleep better now" (alog the lines, mind you) are propagandist - in fact, it's feeding off the age-old rivalry between Iraqi Shias and Sunnis.

Of course, U.S. occupation is the "better of choices", :lol:

Don't be nescient, luv. Not everything leans right, of course you're too benighted to see that.  :heartpump:


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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You are so ignorant to the facts. How many people died as a result of our atomic bombs in Japan? I suppose all of those were combatants...Never mind that Japan tried to surrender a month before we dropped the bombs...

How many people in vietnam, korea, somalia, afghanistan, panama, nicaragua, iraq, etc...etc...etc.... have to die for you to get the picture?

We have been killing and stealing from people since this country was founded...from the time we committed our first genocide against the american indian until now. I understand your desire, and indeed your need, to feel like you are on the "good" team...but unfortunately the facts do not support that.


The rest of the world knows this, too...The sight of an american soldier is pretty scary to most of the world.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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I was once an American soldier and if the people of Bosnia are any indicator of all that great fear then it is strange that for the most part they welcomed us with open arms and smiles. I'm not talking about official stances or polite gestures but rather genuine intent. I did alot of driving for public afairs officers and while they were in meetings with town officials I spent a lot of time just standind out by the trucks waiting. People often came up to me and offered thanks for our American presence. I also made friends with a Serbian family and spent a nice evening at their home talking and eating(although I was not allowed to by our government).


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YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ANY GIVEN DRUG ISN'T THE DEFINITIVE MEASURE OF THE DRUGS EFFECTS.

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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I guess I'll just go with....
My... what an angry lil' fella.

Your title though is accurate and directly to the truth.

Sad though that your desire to find ill in good news blinds you so.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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Quote:
making statements along the lines of "The Iraqis will sleep better now" (alog the lines, mind you) are propagandist


Try reading it again after wiping the hatred from your eyes. I made no such statement.


What I did say was "I bet", hence not a statement but a supposition. Any good dictionary will teach you the difference between the two.


You know whats funny? You ( the general you) are so worked up when the US does what they say they will do, that you're blind to the good. I can't wait to see all of your reactions when Osama is either caught, killed, or shown to have been dead for awhile. Now that will be a laugh riot.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Ekstaza]
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Edited by Enlil (10/19/12 06:47 AM)

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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No...I just don't see the good in invading another country. I don't see the overall good in the entire act. Actually capturing Saddam is just another part of what I consider an inappropriate action. Why would I celebrate that?


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
No...I just don't see the good in invading another country. I don't see the overall good in the entire act. Actually capturing Saddam is just another part of what I consider an inappropriate action. Why would I celebrate that?


Perhaps because there is now no chance he will continue killing the people of Iraq at the rate he was doing so before? Perhaps because the people of Iraq no longer need to fear Saddam having them beaten, tortured and raped?

Being as "concerned" for peoples lives as you seem to wish us to believe, I'd think that would be reason enough.

Or do you only feel concern for those "millions" the US supposedly killed?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Well, truth be told, I believe that if the country hated him so much, he could not have stayed in power for that long...period. History has shown us time and time again that the people of a nation will only take so much for so long before they will rise up. Saddam was responsible for killing many people, true...But it must have been alright with the people...just as it must be alright with the american citizens if we trample over the rest of the world so that they can have better lifestyles...


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Enlil]
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:lol:


Keep showing us just how accurate that title you chose is.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I never said you made that statement, I was talking about your run-of-the-mill conservative who feels that way (and notice I added 'along the lines of' to loosely show the sentiment). America isn't evil, but the "better of choices" sure is.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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Quote:
better of choices


You guys amuse me when you use that.

After all, if voting for the better of your choices cause you such heartburn, I'm guessing you vote for the worse of your choices.


What's up with that?


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Don't turn into another Mr_Mushrooms here.

I vote liberal - here in Canada at least, I found Chr?tien to be great, personally, and I'm hoping Paul Martin is better. One thing that is certain is that the better of choices have been elected here since November 3rd, 1993.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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Quote:
Don't turn into another Mr_Mushrooms here.


Many should be more like him.


So let's see then. In your case you feel that you, after thinking, reading and learning about the person you feel is the best choice, and then voting for that person, did what you felt was right.

Yet when someone else does the same you feel the need to use it as a jab?

Now that is funny.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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No, people need to be mature in their conduct. It's common sense.

The real joke is when people believe that the worst of choices is the better.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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Well, get used to him. He'll be re-elected easily.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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And you wonder why people hate Bush.


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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No, I'm aware it's because he doesn't do what they wish he would do.

Still, get used to him. And the Republican to follow.

Of course... by then Ashcroft may have staged a coup!  :lol:


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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Believe me - I'm prepared for 4 more years of Bush. 2008 is a little far off to make any estimation of, though. Republicans are currently in power in the United States, and they might have a good run. Here the Alliance has broken dreams from the last days of Cambell. However, it's no mystery that Bush is controversial in policy and that the average American voter has little consideration for those elsewhere in the world... not to mention they're not very bright. Well, probably.  :tongue2:


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Zahid]
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Quote:
Believe me - I'm prepared for 4 more years of Bush.


Ya, easy for you to say.  You live in a different country.  :nonono:


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: silversoul7]
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You got me there.  :thumbup:


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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And lets overlook why they helped him back then.At the time it was perceived as a situation of lesser evils and frankly he was a lesser evil.

In the end I think this says it well.

No matter what side of the political spectrum you're on, if you are incapable of feeling at least a tiny amount of joy at watching ordinary Iraqis celebrate this, you are lost to the ideological left. And let me also add, if you are incapable of feeling badly that we even had to use force in the first place, you are ideologically lost to the right. And I would inform both of those groups to leave the room now and do not watch the program. It's like ice-skating: We throw out the high score and the low score. The rest of the people, you're welcome at the table.

--Jon Stewart, The Daily Show


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Swami]
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I have not read a bit of this thread, but I just have one thing to say.

The Rumsfeld/Saddam buddy picture has no bearing on what is happening now. What exactly are you trying to prove? You are bitter that we found him to be sure, and maybe you should think about that. All of the crap you have posted in here today, was discussed six months ago quite fully.

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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: shakta]
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It's symbolic of the blatant hypocricy of Rumsfeld and the rest of this administration.

Rumsfeld was fine with the genocide when it worked to the advantage of the US. Now he's using that genocide to further his own agenda.





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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Learyfan]
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ding* ding* ding*


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Re: US Saddam Hypocrisy [Re: Learyfan]
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The Federal Government is hypocritical?

No!  :eek:

Or would that be just the conservatives?

I am sure the liberals and the collectivists are perfect little angels.

Jebus, you act as if you are surprised.  :eek:

Whiskey Rebellion anyone?

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