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knomadic_niki
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Peat vs verm as substrate -- help a noob out
#21767329 - 06/05/15 07:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi guys! Sorry if this is well-known or often discussed. I don't hang in the actives forum much and the search function is so frustrating. i can't seem to find what i'm looking for....
So, i've read several monotub teks calling for coco coir and verm as substrate. is it okay to replace the coco with peat? What is the difference?
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: BkillsU]
#21767656 - 06/05/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont want a peat AND coco substrate. i want to know the difference between peat and coco when used as bulk substrate. i'm not new to the shroomery. the search function does suck, imo. i can never find what i'm looking for. if you don't have something constructive to say, bug off.
chevydriver, you linked me back to my own thread, lol!
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21767731 - 06/05/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i find it ironic that 2 people with less than 25 posts are telling you to use the search engine
there's nothing wrong with learning 
i'm no expert on peat or coir but from what I understand, peat has less nutes than coir, so it wouldn't be a great substrate.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
#21767751 - 06/05/15 09:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said:
i find it ironic that 2 people with less than 25 posts are telling you to use the search engine
there's nothing wrong with learning 
i'm no expert on peat or coir but from what I understand, peat has less nutes than coir, so it wouldn't be a great substrate.
Its also acidic and would need a buffer.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: mush madness]
#21767761 - 06/05/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes i forgot to mention the ph level too
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: mush madness]
#21767774 - 06/05/15 09:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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cool, thanks guys. it looks and feels like the same consistency so i thought it might work the same. i have some peat handy but i'll have to go to the store to get coir. i think i'll just stick to the instructions for my first tray tek then experiment from there
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21767786 - 06/05/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said: i think i'll just stick to the instructions for my first tray tek then experiment from there
wise words. you'll do fine that way. good luck!
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki] 1
#21768076 - 06/05/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Coir is used for a substrate. Peat is used in casing layers. Search function is used to find answers. Spoons are used to feed.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: azur]
#21768148 - 06/05/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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azur said: Coir is used for a substrate. Peat is used in casing layers. Search function is used to find answers. Spoons are used to feed.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21768174 - 06/05/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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got it
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21768195 - 06/05/15 11:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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poor knomadic_niki. he's gotten nothing but bullshit and sarcasm in this thread, even by highly educated people who are more than capable of answering his question
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
#21768664 - 06/06/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you for this discussion, i was thinking the same thing, as the question is.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
#21768759 - 06/06/15 02:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said:
poor knomadic_niki. he's gotten nothing but bullshit and sarcasm in this thread, even by highly educated people who are more than capable of answering his question 
Az was straight forward and showed no sarcasm. He was seious about spoon feeding.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
#21770027 - 06/06/15 11:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said:
poor knomadic_niki. he's gotten nothing but bullshit and sarcasm in this thread, even by highly educated people who are more than capable of answering his question 
That's what happens when you ask a question that's been asked a million times and don't want to search past the first page of results.
But the question was answered.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21775668 - 06/07/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm a she, and even if a question has been asked a million times, i still take the time to help people out over in the edibles forum. no need to be a dildo. thanks to those who answered my question. i appreciate it. i'm in school, working, farming, and starting a business and i don't have time to search the forum for hours looking for the answer to a simple question right now
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21775712 - 06/07/15 07:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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So....if you're on a one way street with 2 lanes and you're in the right lane and you realize you need to turn left, you just cut over? Fuck the other people? They should yield to you?
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21775732 - 06/07/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well if you don't have time to put in the effort which is to learn either by experience or by research, maybe this hobby isn't for you then.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21775747 - 06/07/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know much in terms of cultivation, but I do know that the Peat is often used in a casing with verm and buffers(Lime/Calcium Carbonate,etc.) as well. I don't think it would work as a substrate, but it could work great in a mix cased on top of a fully colonized substrate(I used simple BRF/Verm cakes) I dunno if this was of any help, but it is my 2cents (currently been watching my first 50/50 casing work its way to fruits)and I hope it helped a bit and wasn't completely useless to yourself or others.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: insanemike]
#21775748 - 06/07/15 07:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if you don't want to take a sec to answer my question, then don't. some people have patience. life has gotten in the way of my hobby for a little while. but i have grain spawn going to waste on the shelf i have to spawn to sub asap. thanks for understanding
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Edited by knomadic_niki (06/07/15 08:39 PM)
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: sk8cracka]
#21775753 - 06/07/15 07:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sk8cracka said: I don't know much in terms of cultivation, but I do know that the Peat is often used in a casing with verm and buffers(Lime/Calcium Carbonate,etc.) as well. I don't think it would work as a substrate, but it could work great in a mix cased on top of a fully colonized substrate(I used simple BRF/Verm cakes) I dunno if this was of any help, but it is my 2cents (currently been watching my first 50/50 casing work its way to fruits)and I hope it helped a bit and wasn't completely useless to yourself or others.
that's awesome, thank you. good luck with your grow!
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21775800 - 06/07/15 08:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said:
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sk8cracka said: I don't know much in terms of cultivation, but I do know that the Peat is often used in a casing with verm and buffers(Lime/Calcium Carbonate,etc.) as well. I don't think it would work as a substrate, but it could work great in a mix cased on top of a fully colonized substrate(I used simple BRF/Verm cakes) I dunno if this was of any help, but it is my 2cents (currently been watching my first 50/50 casing work its way to fruits)and I hope it helped a bit and wasn't completely useless to yourself or others.
that's awesome, thank you. good luck with your grow!
Aww. Thankies, you as well! Something has gotta work for you in the long run, just takes the time and patience. I am personally not always the strongest advocate of the search engine, but it CAN help. . . however, most of the time when you use the search in most internet forums, not just here, you get threads of someone asking as similar or even the same question and then being told to use the search engine before anyone has time to answer, and everyone else decides to jump on the "search engine" train, and no answers end up surfacing most of the time. Of course searching should be a first resort, but not always is the first resort also the last. Sometimes questions have gotta be asked/re-asked, yah know? it's the nature of the archival beast! lol
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21775842 - 06/07/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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knomadic_niki said: if you don't want to take a sec to answer my question, then don't. some people have patience. life has gotten in the way of my hobby for a little while. but i have grain spawn going to waste on the shelf i have to spawn to sub asap. thanks for the compassion
You can put it in the refrigerator till you have time to get everything you need
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: sk8cracka]
#21775865 - 06/07/15 08:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just to show that I'm not a complete ass, I will tell you the best way to search this forum. Muda can vouch for this, for this is the way he and I learned to do our research. Don't use the search engine on this site, either use yahoo or google. It will bring up the best threads from this forum that relate to your questions. Focus on key words that relate to your situation rather than typing in a long drug out question. Hope this helps.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: mush madness]
#21775870 - 06/07/15 08:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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for those of you flaming her for not using the search engine, i think you need to go back and re-read the OP. i don't think it's such a common question.
her question was not "what is coir, verm, or peat for?"
her question had more of a "why is it so..." vibe to it (which cannot be easily answered with a quick search). just my two cents...
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
#21775887 - 06/07/15 08:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well she said in the op that she couldn't find an answer. But in her last post she said she didn't have the time to search. Sooo... -5 to her for being lazy and lying and -5 to you for standing up for "her" since finding out she is a girl. Bravo
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: azur]
#21775968 - 06/07/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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azur said: Well she said in the op that she couldn't find an answer. But in her last post she said she didn't have the time to search. Sooo... -5 to her for being lazy and lying and -5 to you for standing up for "her" since finding out she is a girl. Bravo
i was saying the same thing long before i found out she was a girl. remove your rating please. that was just a dick move.
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: azur]
#21775971 - 06/07/15 08:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Can't we all just get along?
By the way, I'm a gril. Don't hit on me silly boys. :^)
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: azur]
#21775983 - 06/07/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i did a search on the site, tried a few key word combinations and didn't yeild the answer to my question, so i asked. i probably spent 15 minutes searching. that's the time i had. sorry if that inconveniences you, azur.
thanks for the google tip, insanemike! that's super helpful!
damn, the edibles folks are much more friendly and helpful
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: Bruiser05]
#21775991 - 06/07/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said:
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azur said: Well she said in the op that she couldn't find an answer. But in her last post she said she didn't have the time to search. Sooo... -5 to her for being lazy and lying and -5 to you for standing up for "her" since finding out she is a girl. Bravo
i was saying the same thing long before i found out she was a girl. remove your rating please. that was just a dick move.
Yeah, not trying to get a "down-rate" here as well, but I read your downrate and it sounded like more of a personal attack on you to me. "a pussy" name-calling as a down-rate for no real reason!? Are we 12 now? Quote:
Bruiser05 said: Can't we all just get along?
yes Please!
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: sk8cracka]
#21776030 - 06/07/15 08:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm assuming you're talking about azur because i didn't personally attack anyone 
if anything, i feel like i've been the most helpful person in this thread and im just trying to create some peace. if azur thinks im being sexist, then it sounds like he needs to re-read this thread. i could honestly care less who has a penis or a vagina on this board of people i'll never meet in real life.

im guessing he's drunk...
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
#21776053 - 06/07/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't drink often. I was just trying to help you guys out by desensitizing you. I'll change the ratings
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21776059 - 06/07/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I changed eggs rating. You delete yours and I'll change mine. And, stop the name calling. What are we, 10 years old?
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: azur]
#21776062 - 06/07/15 08:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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azur said: I don't drink often. I was just trying to help you guys out by desensitizing you. I'll change the ratings
ummm thanks for helping us out

nice edit btw
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: FriedEgg]
#21776126 - 06/07/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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FriedEgg said: i'm assuming you're talking about azur because i didn't personally attack anyone
yes, of course I was, silly. my .02 cents. (yes, 2 hundredths of a cent) aren't worth much, but I throw them everywhere. :P
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: azur]
#21776133 - 06/07/15 09:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Tricky Dicked Nixon.
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knomadic_niki
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: sk8cracka]
#21777947 - 06/08/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'll delete the rating if you change the one you left me. i don't have time for drama and pettiness
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: mush madness]
#21777965 - 06/08/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mush madness said:
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knomadic_niki said: if you don't want to take a sec to answer my question, then don't. some people have patience. life has gotten in the way of my hobby for a little while. but i have grain spawn going to waste on the shelf i have to spawn to sub asap. thanks for the compassion
You can put it in the refrigerator till you have time to get everything you need
missed this comment last night. thanks, i know that, but my myco fridge is full of shiitake blocks and my food fridge is full of food plus, gotta have some boomers to bring with me to telluride in august
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: knomadic_niki]
#21778084 - 06/08/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perhapse it will help if I mention that the big search bar, in the upper right, which is what many may be using, is fairly shitty. One should be using the small, tucked away, non obvious "Search Posts", below that, but above the banner add. The search can be refined, to look specifically for answers from Trusted Cultivators, among other parameters... Much better answers to be found, that way...
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Re: Peat/verm as substrate -- help a noob out [Re: Green Bastard]
#21801485 - 06/13/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Green Bastard said: Perhapse it will help if I mention that the big search bar, in the upper right, which is what many may be using, is fairly shitty. One should be using the small, tucked away, non obvious "Search Posts", below that, but above the banner add. The search can be refined, to look specifically for answers from Trusted Cultivators, among other parameters... Much better answers to be found, that way...
I didn't even know that was there, thank you Green!
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