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The fabric of reality is made of "THEM"....
#21765230 - 06/05/15 09:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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....ok, 220 mg. Extracted harmalas+2.3 grams cubes.....ingested capsules waited 40 minutes and ate the shrooms!
30 minutes later I was entering what I thought was going to be my launching point .I was really expecting some serious potentiate with the MAOI aspect but wasn't feeling it.feeling the calm sedative energy of the Rue I kicked back on the couch and put some music on after smoking several bong hits of cannabis!
after another 15 minutes I was struggling with an internal dialogue saying did I take enough am I going to get high?. I settled in and enjoyed some closed eye visuals...I haven't slept yet but this experience was just so bizarre I needed to make a post while it was still fresh.it wasn't closed eye visuals as much as it was a story unfolding behind closed eyes!I have never had such imaginative things happen with my eyes closed....
I was projected through a tunnel.....I had this distinct feeling that the actual construct of the reality that was this tunnel was actually made up of insectoid creatures. like it was a revelation! like oh my god does anyone else realize that the constructs of reality is some sort of insectoid race?. but not in a horror movie fearful the insects are going to eat your face off kind of way.
they were not malevolent nor benevolent. they seemed to look at me without a lot of feeling or emotion one way or the other. as though they were used to seeing me but I was not used to seeing them. when things slow down for a second I could look over and see the construct of the tunnel that I was passing through and I could see that it was made up of these creatures at least to a certain extent and that the whole fabric was their constuct.reminded me of a mantis!I was trying hard to look at the face of this entity but I could never quite make it out.
..I found this to be crazy bizarre on almost a dissociative level. this whole experience so more akin to a heavy ketamine trip then a sideways mushroom venture.just the whole f****** what the f*** the f***? Weird I'm telling you.
....I just couldn't pull any bright colors out of my trip. the real world and the tunnels were modeled in a darker organic color scheme of browns and dark greens.I kept waiting for the colors to come but they didn't. I flew around rue world through tunnels to weird scenes of ladders and humanoid shapes in the shadows.
....I kept looking for their faces but they would not reveal. then I experienced an unveiling akin to drawing the curtain back. on the other side of the curtain I saw brilliant reds greens whites in fat ribbons of light. then the curtain was closed. the veil parted a couple more times but it was fleeting and I never got to take a really good look let alone stay there.
I didn't want to voice my experience quite yet cuz I was trying to figure out if I was manifesting some weird darkness with my own mind. but damn bro I'm all about the euphoria and good vibes and I put so much positive intent into my trips. I am a Warrior of Light and lightning!....I will never cross the river I am the Bodhisattva!
I continue to fly around rue world trying at fleeting glimpses to examine the cacophony of this bizarre place!ladders trellises and gangways connecting layers of the construct. they were there like some kind of ancient maintenance crew. they never showed me their face. I wonder if they had a face. were they insectoid or were they so bizarre that that's the only frame of reference that I can use to somewhat describe them.?
crazy thing is as mind-blowing as the closed eyes story was I still had a distinct feeling that I was clearly not as high mushroom wise as I was when I ate just an eighth of mushrooms a couple weeks ago. at least not on the colorful happy euphoric level. also my cognitive abilities and visual impairment were less than on an eighth of mushrooms.I was clearly not as mushroom high as I would have been had I just eaten an eighth of shrooms!
at this point it was about 2 hours after I had eaten my initial dose of 2.3 grams. I just was not feeling high at least as high as I feel on an eighth of mushrooms? ....yes I had a body high and such but just clearly not any bright colors or euphoria that I get and the visual blurring that I receive when I take an eighth of mushrooms.
everything was feeling so muddled. no euphoria. No bright colors. No coursing of the music through my soul. it had some good elements to it but just simply not as fun and euphoric as my straight mushroom experiences. .just was feeling like things were going down hill as far as me having a good time. it was too late to dose more mushrooms. so after smoking a shitload of weed and smoking Syrian rue seedsI still wasn't a achieving the desired effect so I went to the fridge and got my last couple hits of L.
..not really what I had set out to do but wasn't expecting to be floundering around after 2 hours.my friend was like if we take that are we going to die? I paused for a second and looked at the tabs and thought about it and looked at him and said no! :-) lol...
we dosed that around 1130 and rode it out till dawn! mostly just kind of left me feeling fried by the end.
....okay, here's the part that really trips me out. towards the end we are going over some of our closed eye experiences and we just had so many things in common it really blew me away. when I said that the fabric reality was made of them, he totally understood what I was saying. it was like he was trying to find the words and I found them for him. he described them as ghosts or entities. very bizarre.
I might be interested in exploring Syrian rue and mushrooms again but think I should up my dosage to 3.5 grams.
Do you think this will take me into a more colorful environment or brighter so that I can make out faces and shapes better?......I was hoping to have a super deep mushroom style experience and that's definitely not what I got.
Anyways......fuh ucking bizarre....Namaste

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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21765331 - 06/05/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd leave out the rue and up the dosage. Try something like 7gs and you won't likely regret it. I've never used MAOI potentiators, and after reading that I likely never will. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21765358 - 06/05/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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....yeah man my typical dosage is 7 to 8 grams of these particular mushrooms. looking to take that up to the 10 gram range!.I get crazy euphoria in the 7 gram range! pure bliss!
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21765367 - 06/05/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Also like yer new avatar. ...!
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21765548 - 06/05/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Actually it's an old avatar I rediscovered, but I like it pretty well.
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21767400 - 06/05/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any feedback? ....similar experiences? C'mon shroomery....
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21768451 - 06/06/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for writing that up, I think from the sounds of it maybe say 150~mg of rue with around 3-4+ grams might be more what you are looking for but who knows.
Pretty fascinating experience though so definitely thank you for sharing!
PrimalSoup, what part of the story makes you not want to try harmalas? The lack of color and euphoria?
The shortness of the experience is pretty strange... Seems like if you had gotten that solid of effects from the shrooms the harmalas would have extended it.
But maybe that was such a small amount even potentiated it was relatively mild, at least in terms of euphoria/ colors and duration.
One thing that comes to mind is the very ancient and spiritual nature of rue and shrooms, maybe it was just not meant to feel "fun", though the euphoria is definitely there for some people. I think it is more of an intense revelation type of euphoria though than a "I feel really good" kind. Like people being broken down into energy and experiencing "the light", that is about as positive and euphoric as it gets but of course comes from super high doses.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: musiclover420]
#21769565 - 06/06/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Thanks for writing that up, I think from the sounds of it maybe say 150~mg of rue with around 3-4+ grams might be more what you are looking for but who knows.
Pretty fascinating experience though so definitely thank you for sharing!
PrimalSoup, what part of the story makes you not want to try harmalas? The lack of color and euphoria?
The shortness of the experience is pretty strange... Seems like if you had gotten that solid of effects from the shrooms the harmalas would have extended it.
But maybe that was such a small amount even potentiated it was relatively mild, at least in terms of euphoria/ colors and duration.
One thing that comes to mind is the very ancient and spiritual nature of rue and shrooms, maybe it was just not meant to feel "fun", though the euphoria is definitely there for some people. I think it is more of an intense revelation type of euphoria though than a "I feel really good" kind. Like people being broken down into energy and experiencing "the light", that is about as positive and euphoric as it gets but of course comes from super high doses.
...that sounds like a dosage that might take me where I need to go. all in all a pretty bizarre experience.
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21769788 - 06/06/15 10:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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....man!...I took a lot of time to write this and was really hoping to get some feedback about similar experiences. I think this is a interesting and bizarre subject just hoping for more responses!? Come on guys!
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: musiclover420]
#21770243 - 06/06/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: PrimalSoup, what part of the story makes you not want to try harmalas? The lack of color and euphoria?
Rather just grow plenty of shrooms.
But that whole thing sounded like something I'd rather avoid than seek out. Obviously there's a different spectrum of effects occurring, even though the MAOI is only supposed to potentiate the psilocin, it sounds like something else altogether. And from what I've read and heard the dosages can be iffy, which puts me way off from my "trip safely, trip often" rule.
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21770767 - 06/06/15 02:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: PrimalSoup, what part of the story makes you not want to try harmalas? The lack of color and euphoria?
Rather just grow plenty of shrooms.
But that whole thing sounded like something I'd rather avoid than seek out. Obviously there's a different spectrum of effects occurring, even though the MAOI is only supposed to potentiate the psilocin, it sounds like something else altogether. And from what I've read and heard the "trip safely, trip often" rule. 
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musiclover420 said: PrimalSoup, what part of the story makes you not want to try harmalas? The lack of color and euphoria?
Rather just grow plenty of shrooms.
But that whole thing sounded like something I'd rather avoid than seek out. Obviously there's a different spectrum of effects occurring, even though the MAOI is only supposed to potentiate the psilocin, it sounds like something else altogether. And from what I've read and heard the dosages can be iffy, which puts me way off from my "trip safely, trip often" rule. 
Trip safely. ...trip often. ....
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21770986 - 06/06/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rather just grow plenty of shrooms.
But that whole thing sounded like something I'd rather avoid than seek out. Obviously there's a different spectrum of effects occurring, even though the MAOI is only supposed to potentiate the psilocin, it sounds like something else altogether. And from what I've read and heard the dosages can be iffy, which puts me way off from my "trip safely, trip often" rule. 
Harmalas are psychoactive alone.
I've tried both Caapi and Rue with mushrooms. The former was great and has added a lot of depth to my regular mushroom trips. The later... well I ended up taking some Ayahuasca that night because it just didn't do it for me.
Generally I don't get along well with Rue. I feel really ungrounded on it.
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21771026 - 06/06/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Rue is much simpler in its alkaloid content then caapi so it definitely is not as powerful. They do both have pretty ancient histories though.
I need to get some caapi, I have some extracts I have been saving but it would be nice to make an actual tea.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21771136 - 06/06/15 04:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Harmalas are psychoactive alone.
I've tried both Caapi and Rue with mushrooms. The former was great and has added a lot of depth to my regular mushroom trips. The later... well I ended up taking some Ayahuasca that night because it just didn't do it for me.
Generally I don't get along well with Rue. I feel really ungrounded on it.
Yeah, I've heard that. Still, I like the places I go with straight shrooms...
But when you talk about "depth" what do you mean exactly? What are your regular mushroom trips like?
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#21773185 - 06/07/15 08:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Prior to Caapi my shroom trips were mostly flat. I'd had occasional three dimensional visuals but it was pretty rare.
During the Caapi trip I had a large three dimensional open eyed visual. I interpreted it as the spirit of the Vine*. She would communicate with me through visual cues, motions such as come with me, head nodding, etc. Compared to Caapi + DMT were my communication with her is more along the lines of telepathy or empathy.
I also had some very vivid closed eye visuals. Deep colors. Three dimensional shapes.
Now I still have some flat mushroom trips but getting into the three dimensional space is a lot easier. Like I've opened a door to the spirit of the Vine and that she's present in the mushroom space. This generally helps me feel more relaxed and go deeper.
Note that I'd worked with Caapi quite a bit before I took it with mushrooms and had taken Ayahuasca on probably ten separate occasions. So I didn't jump straight in and I certainly don't recommend anyone do so.
*The Vine could be Kundalini, Jung's Anima Archetype, or any number of other interpretations. I see it as the divine feminine. The nurturing mother that has taken care of me and all of my ancestors through countless generations. I don't know if it exists in a materialistic sense or if it's just fragments from my life experiences.
Anyway I don't want to derail and make this thread about me. Just wanted to comment that Harmalas are psychoactive alone.
Great story OP. I had a similar experience recently on 5 grams (no MAOI). Felt very dissociative. No insects but the tunnel, lights, darkness, etc. really resonated with me.
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21773448 - 06/07/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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paperbackwriter said: Prior to Caapi my shroom trips were mostly flat. I'd had occasional three dimensional visuals but it was pretty rare.
During the Caapi trip I had a large three dimensional open eyed visual. I interpreted it as the spirit of the Vine*. She would communicate with me through visual cues, motions such as come with me, head nodding, etc. Compared to Caapi + DMT were my communication with her is more along the lines of telepathy or empathy.
I also had some very vivid closed eye visuals. Deep colors. Three dimensional shapes.
Now I still have some flat mushroom trips but getting into the three dimensional space is a lot easier. Like I've opened a door to the spirit of the Vine and that she's present in the mushroom space. This generally helps me feel more relaxed and go deeper.
Note that I'd worked with Caapi quite a bit before I took it with mushrooms and had taken Ayahuasca on probably ten separate occasions. So I didn't jump straight in and I certainly don't recommend anyone do so.
*The Vine could be Kundalini, Jung's Anima Archetype, or any number of other interpretations. I see it as the divine feminine. The nurturing mother that has taken care of me and all of my ancestors through countless generations. I don't know if it exists in a materialistic sense or if it's just fragments from my life experiences.
Anyway I don't want to derail and make this thread about me. Just wanted to comment that Harmalas are psychoactive alone.
Great story OP. I had a similar experience recently on 5 grams (no MAOI). Felt very dissociative. No insects but the tunnel, lights, darkness, etc. really resonated with me.
....sounds amazing! .....all of my reg.mush trips have been quite euphoric so that dissociative feel was a new one to me in the mushroom experience!....caapi sounds awesome. ..euphoric? .....the rue fundamentally changed the experience...as I'm shure caapi does.... thanks for the feedback and I'm glad u enjoyed the TR!
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21773531 - 06/07/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, it was really amazing. I've been chasing that trip this last month... quite unsuccessfully.
My 'tunnel' was the sensation of being drawn out through my third eye along a cord. I found myself in a void. It felt like I was pre-thought or pre-birth, maybe one of those womb experiences Stanislov Grof talks about. I had the sensation of a warm gel (but not wet) drawing on the top of my head.
When something in my environment would pull me out it was like I was surfacing. I would peek out of the void, like opening a hole in the nothingness, remind myself of where I was, who I was, what I was looking at, that everything was good, then sink back under.
At one point I saw a yellow light open up and it was like a hand was reaching in to pull me into the light. I thought it was a doctor or a buddha pulling me into another life, like I was being rebirthed or reincarnated. The hand didn't grab me, it was more of an invitation. I chose not to go.
As I started to come too I saw biting demons that were somehow me and somehow the mushrooms. Then I stretched and the demons smoothed out and I realized that the 'demons' were my muscles aching from being still so long.
Once I have some clones grown and my tolerance is reset I think I'll move up into the seven gram range and see if I can get back into that space.
As far as Caapi goes, yeah, it's a lot more euphoric than Rue ime. And a lot more grounded. Kinda hard to explain but chemically Caapi is a mild SSRI. So you end up with a bit more serotonin than with Rue. Almost like MDMA with a lot of body load.
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: paperbackwriter]
#21774073 - 06/07/15 01:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The tunnel is a very widespread experience, also occurs in strict shamanic voyages (without drugs). I've gotten it on mushrooms a number of times.
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: voodoochild1000]
#21774297 - 06/07/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Interesting 
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Any feedback? ....similar experiences?
Not exactly.....it sounds like the harmalas influenced the trip in a peculiar way, making it different to a straight shroom trip.
The CEV telling a kind of story....the fabric of reality being something sinister and alien; that general theme sounds a bit more familiar to me.
I do enjoy the creepy sensation of "pulling the curtain back a bit too far" and getting the sensation that you are seeing things within the trip that should not be there...
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Re: The fabric of reality is made of "THEM".... [Re: Aldebaran]
#21774723 - 06/07/15 03:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aldebaran said: Interesting 
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Any feedback? ....similar experiences?
Not exactly.....it sounds like the harmalas influenced the trip in a peculiar way, making it different to a straight shroom trip.
The CEV telling a kind of story....the fabric of reality being something sinister and alien; that general theme sounds a bit more familiar to me.
I do enjoy the creepy sensation of "pulling the curtain back a bit too far" and getting the sensation that you are seeing things within the trip that should not be there...

....not sinister....not my buddies eithier....neutral....unimpressed by me....a maintenance crew that ran the construct.....oddball....
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