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which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest?
    #21764759 - 06/05/15 06:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

orissa?south america?...anybody knows?


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: jordymartin]
    #21764769 - 06/05/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybe Cubensis! They're all the same species. What vendors label them as makes no difference except maybe cosmetics.

It's a lot more dependant on the grower.

P.S. isn't there a strain thread like right at the top of mushroom cultivation? The first 3 posts usually answer everything you need to know.


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21764779 - 06/05/15 06:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Strain is an improper term when talking about mushrooms. This ain't weed.


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: jordymartin]
    #21764783 - 06/05/15 06:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the ones you take the best care of


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21764876 - 06/05/15 07:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm assuming you intend to get some spores at some point. If you're cultivating from spores, it's more or less random on what genetics you'll end of up with.

That being said, I've noticed in the past that when I used spores from, say, a PE6 strain, I would tend to see things often associated with PE more frequently than from spores of other strains, like blobs on the first flush, certain cap formation characteristics, etc. Really though, it's a crap shoot. I wouldn't make any plans based on which mushroom your spores came from.


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: Ikarus]
    #21765253 - 06/05/15 09:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

A strain with good genetics would be the best, most consistent producer.

The "variety" doesn't much matter as cubes are cubes for the most part. (except in the case of a couple hybrids that may be grown a little bit differently, such as needing a casing layer to fruit well)
The "name" put to a cube is a lot of times the geographic location, Hawaiian, Mexican, Cambodian, etc. where the original fruit/pprint was taken from.

Also all the flashy names a vendor will label in order to sell more syringes, prints, etc.
Working with agar doing isolates or cloning allows us to choose or isolate genetics.

The genetics of MS inoculation are going to be random since it produces so many strains.


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21765265 - 06/05/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

for me the heaviest most dense fruits came from Penis Envy
the rest were all the same


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: Aero]
    #21765280 - 06/05/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

there are no hybrid cubes.
a hybrid would need to be a cross of two separate species (genus??)
eg. ps.azurescens x p.cubensis
and i dont believe its ever been done
however years ago people tried to say b+ was such a hybrid!


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: Aero]
    #21765281 - 06/05/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Aero said:
for me the heaviest most dense fruits came from Penis Envy
the rest were all the same




In everything I have experienced, it has always boiled down to genetics regardless of name or "variety" I've seen weak, strong, large, small, light, dense, etc. in several varieties. That's why I clone large fruits and isolate strains. I have a good potential right now. Just needs to be tested once they grow out!


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21765286 - 06/05/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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mustangbob3 said:
there are no hybrid cubes.
a hybrid would need to be a cross of to separate species
eg. ps.azurescens x p.cubensis
and i dont believe its ever been done





PE6 - Cross between PE and Mexican. Just grew some awhile back. Some of the fruits turned out like PE some like run of the mill cubes. Actually the baseball sized fruits in my avatar may have been from the PE6's... was working with a couple different "varieties" at the time.


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21765291 - 06/05/15 10:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yes both cubensis are they not?


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: mustangbob3]
    #21765306 - 06/05/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes they are both the same species but different varieties...

I thought a hybrid is a cross between varieties, not species, is it not?

Such as hybrid fruits and vegetables and animals? Where two different varieties of the same species are crossbred to achieved desired characteristics?


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21765339 - 06/05/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i think its different species tbh
like with animals an example would be lion x tiger = liger or donkey x horse = mule. ect these are hybrids

between same species is crossbreed.

and in cubensis x cubensis you just get cubensis.

tbh everytime you use MS you make a new strain or should i say lots of new strains(varieties).


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21765357 - 06/05/15 10:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I see what you mean. And you're right. It is a cross between species. Just got a little confused...lol.

So I wonder what a PE6 would be considered then?

From what I understand it's damn near impossible to cross mushrooms like that. But was done in the case of the PE6's...

I guess it would just be a breed then right?

I know with the PE6's they are reverting back to one or the other. Probably the strain is getting weak. I honestly don't know.

At any rate, thanks for an interesting and enlightening conversation.

Didn't mean to threadjack. Sorry.


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21765365 - 06/05/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

easy mistake to make.
seems logical when you think of a plant with f1 hybrids lol :smile:

EDIT dont apologise you didnt do anything wrong :thumbup:
only a simple terminology
Tbh we dont actually know what PE is!!
is it a mutant or some hybrid nobody knows for sure so there just might be hybrids :smile:
most think its a just a mutant cube however


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21765373 - 06/05/15 10:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Right on... :thumbup:


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: jordymartin]
    #21765394 - 06/05/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As stated above, it's really going to depending almost exclusively on your conditions. That and the lottery of which spore decides to take root out of the hundreds of thousands you'll be injecting. (people use agar sectoring to eliminate the lottery factor)
I get cambodia because I live in an area of extreme heat and humidity and it can be nice trying to match your environmental factors to the strain's origin.

But since nobody likes asking "which strain" and not getting a specific answer I'll tell you: The ones that have been around the longest. Go to the hawks eye site and look at the first 10 on the spore list. (B+, PE, GT, etc) These spores have been grown and cultivated over and over by professional spore selling growers for years. They've been isolating the best characteristics with every new grow to produce the best most consistent fruits. You'll have much better odds at success if you're going MS.

Anything "newish" or "hybrid" I'd recommend agar isolation before inoculation.


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Re: which strains of cubensis produce the heaviest harvest? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21765400 - 06/05/15 10:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I know with the PE6's they are reverting back to one or the other. Probably the strain is getting weak. I honestly don't know.





maybe the genetics are just getting bottle necked which ever way depending on who is collecting the spores and which fruit/s are selected to print.

as workmans work with PE has shown genetic frequency's can make a large shift in as little as 6 generations.

who know how many generation down the line we maybe are now!
and what the frequency towards each fruit types are now compared to the originals.
oneday they may seperate and become two distinct and different lines depending where you get the spores

tbh i predict the same for PE  as most of the good spore depositors have the wrong cap shape for PE. They are more open, and keep selecting these more normal looking cubes to swab ect may drift the genetic so eventualy a penis shaped fruit becomes the minority/Rarity in a tub of PE with multispore and you will have to clone for that shape fruit only to rely on it.


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