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An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar.
    #21764678 - 06/05/15 06:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, all. I was diagnosed with Schizophrenia/Bipolar (they aren't sure) 4 years ago. Here is a brief history, so you understand my situation better.

During my 4 years of college, i used cannabis, shrooms, lsd and mdma in moderation with my gf or friends or by myself. I used them for mind exploration, spirituality and recreation. I cured myself of social anxiety at that time, which returned later after i got ill. Life was brilliant and magical, until I had a break up with my gf and started seeing another girl. The new girl cheated on me, and my life started spiraling downwards. I started abusing cannabis with a 'friend', and had 2-3 bad trips on LSD cause of a bad setting, during a span of 2 years after my college. The stress, loneliness and abuse finally got to me and I had a psychotic episode. I was put in a rehab for a month and sobered up since then. I tried using cannabis 2 years ago, but it didn't go too well, cannabis makes me paranoid and causes psychosis in me. Instead of cannabis, i tried kratom, and it suited me just fine. At present, I use kratom once or twice a week without any issues.

Its been 4 years since my diagnosis and I'm now almost 'normal' according to the doctors. I've battled it out with meditation and exercise. I've not tripped for the last 5 years. I'm contemplating an LSD trip in a healthy set and setting to give me a final push out of my illness, and to work on other areas of my life. I'd like to feel magical once more, I'd like an insight into my life and my career.

Can you guys suggest whether i should carry this plan out or not?? Has any of you gone through a similar ordeal as mine?? Are any of you schizophrenic/bipolar folks out there treated their illness with LSD or shrooms??


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: mothamaruti]
    #21765325 - 06/05/15 10:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics can bring out underlying mental health issues in many cases, so most people on here are gonna suggest you to stay away from LSD as it could make your road to sanity quite a bit harder.

But if I told you it had no possibility to work I'd be lying. So about two years ago I was experiencing this pretty terrible mental breakdown. I'd experience these super depressing lows that would cause schizophrenic symptoms. The psychiatrist said I had some form of schizoaffective disorder.

I only smoked some weed at that time. But my girlfriend helped me the best she could, and I was doing the okay, but some days it was pretty damn tough to try and live normally. Anyways, after my full blown psychosis I experienced for almost half a year, I'd still get these mini schizophrenic episodes, and it sucked.

I tried shrooms and the depressive lows disappeared. As did all signs of my mental health problems. My trips were the most healing thing that could have happened. I still feel great mentally, and haven't suffered any mental problems for about 7 months.

Now there are risks for using psychedelic substances if you have even the slightest mental health problem. There is a possibility that you could worsen your mental health. But psychedelics have only ever helped me. The psychiatrist says I'm pretty much normal now as well.

Stay safe man, hope you keep getting better :hug:


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Achillita]
    #21765478 - 06/05/15 11:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was never diagnosed with schizophrenia or any other serious medical condition but throughout the years there has been significant periods of time where I have fought with pretty severe depression. During those times of depression I still used cannabis & mushrooms daily/weekly. I think the only thing you can do to try to prevent a bad experience is be in a good frame of mind that day & trip in an extremely comfortable setting. Another huge factor I'd say is doseage. If you are apprehensive about doing LSD again in fear that you may have a "bad trip" I would start off with perhaps a half a hit. Now after all those things are checked off the list, ask yourself... Is the chance of having a bad trip worth the chance of having a good trip. I know that sounds kind of harsh but if the answer is no then hold off until you know in your mind that you are absolutely ready.

As you know I'm sure, psychedelics really bring out anything & everything that is in your mind. The experience is so intertwined with who you are, what makes you YOU, & your deepest thoughts so it has the potential to bring forth some past life events that you may have forgotten over time.

I hope you have a safe journey my friend. Hope to hear from you soon. Have a wonderful day. :smile:


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Achillita]
    #21765749 - 06/05/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Achillita said:
Psychedelics can bring out underlying mental health issues in many cases, so most people on here are gonna suggest you to stay away from LSD as it could make your road to sanity quite a bit harder.

But if I told you it had no possibility to work I'd be lying. So about two years ago I was experiencing this pretty terrible mental breakdown. I'd experience these super depressing lows that would cause schizophrenic symptoms. The psychiatrist said I had some form of schizoaffective disorder.

I only smoked some weed at that time. But my girlfriend helped me the best she could, and I was doing the okay, but some days it was pretty damn tough to try and live normally. Anyways, after my full blown psychosis I experienced for almost half a year, I'd still get these mini schizophrenic episodes, and it sucked.

I tried shrooms and the depressive lows disappeared. As did all signs of my mental health problems. My trips were the most healing thing that could have happened. I still feel great mentally, and haven't suffered any mental problems for about 7 months.

Now there are risks for using psychedelic substances if you have even the slightest mental health problem. There is a possibility that you could worsen your mental health. But psychedelics have only ever helped me. The psychiatrist says I'm pretty much normal now as well.

Stay safe man, hope you keep getting better :hug:






Hey, thanks for your reply. It's really good to know your shroom trip helped you out. Could you tell me what kind of a psychosis you had? Did you have any delusions? Were you ever put on anti psychotics?

What was your set and setting for the trip?

Weed was the culprit in your case as well? I mainly turned psychotic due to cannabis abuse after my breakup.

I'm hoping for such a healing trip as well, on a low dosage of LSD. Around 150mics, will split the cube into half, so roughly dose 75mics initially, then the remaining.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21765781 - 06/05/15 12:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I was never diagnosed with schizophrenia or any other serious medical condition but throughout the years there has been significant periods of time where I have fought with pretty severe depression. During those times of depression I still used cannabis & mushrooms daily/weekly. I think the only thing you can do to try to prevent a bad experience is be in a good frame of mind that day & trip in an extremely comfortable setting. Another huge factor I'd say is doseage. If you are apprehensive about doing LSD again in fear that you may have a "bad trip" I would start off with perhaps a half a hit. Now after all those things are checked off the list, ask yourself... Is the chance of having a bad trip worth the chance of having a good trip. I know that sounds kind of harsh but if the answer is no then hold off until you know in your mind that you are absolutely ready.

As you know I'm sure, psychedelics really bring out anything & everything that is in your mind. The experience is so intertwined with who you are, what makes you YOU, & your deepest thoughts so it has the potential to bring forth some past life events that you may have forgotten over time.

I hope you have a safe journey my friend. Hope to hear from you soon. Have a wonderful day. :smile:




I have a gut feeling that my trip will be a good one since I have almost recovered from my illness. My illness wasn't that severe, I never had any auditory or visual hallucinations, only delusions. I can go out in public without any issues. Yes, I'll split the dose into half and have the other half later. I just hope to have the right set and setting for it.

Any idea if I could make sure beforehand that my trip would be a good one? I'm still unsure whether I want to do this. Would consuming kratom at the start of the trip relax me?

Thanks for taking the time to reply and for your kind wishes.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: mothamaruti]
    #21766003 - 06/05/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have become interested in psychedelics, but I have paranoid schizophrenia and I have to take different medicine (quetiapine and ziprasidone) worth of 530 mg every day to maintain. As soon as I quit, the voices follow and soon I start to create wild conspiracy theories, science fiction stories, etc. which I cannot help but believe, you know the thrill. I've experienced a lot of distortion but I've never hallucinated visual, never had a trip. I haven't smoked pot. In my family tree there are no people with schizophrenia, so it's a bit strange.

Anyway, I would like to try psychedelics, I wouldn't trust LSD. I think I'll just start from really small doses and see how that makes me feel. There are some questions like: does this differ from a normal person using psychedelics? Do the meds I take affect? but I guess I'll find the answers to some of those questions by experimenting.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Signoir]
    #21766865 - 06/05/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Greetings again man. Glad to hear back from you.

I don't think there is any way to 100% garuntee a good trip but there are definitely some ways you can try to prepare for a trip. I know this might seem hard especially the time frame when you're waiting for effects to kick in but try to stay calm. A good way to stay calm is by staying involved in something that will hold your interest. Try putting on one of your favorite shows right after you drop your LSD. Or maybe play a video game to keep your mind going & not stuck on the thought of "when is this going to kick in?"

I'm not sure if kratom would relax you at the start of the trip. There may be a chance it will though since some kratom strains are a sedating type. Try having some xanax on hand in case your trip starts getting too intense for you to handle. They will mellow you out for sure but at the expense of "dulling out" the trip so I would only use them if you felt like you absolutely needed to. Another thing I heard that will dull out a trip although I am not sure if it works is eating a lot of sugar. I heard Terence Mckenna on a video saying when a trip starts getting rough never go into the fetal position instead stand up & start to sing. The xanax would definitely be your best bet though in case you needed to abort the trip.

I am sort of in the same boat as you right now man. I have done mushrooms many times. But only done LSD once. Currently I have these purple gel tabs that everyone is raving about but I haven't even tried them yet & I've had them for a little over two months! I was extremely apprehensive of taking them because of a really bad mushroom trip that happened about 3 months ago. The last thing I wanted to have happen was relive a torturous, terrorizing trip from hell. But with the way I feel as of today & have been feeling the past week or so I think I am ready to do these gel tabs very, very soon.

I'm sending a whole lot of love, peace, & good vibes your way my dude. I think everything will go as planned for you as long as you stay calm & stick to a low dose. Hope to hear back from you.

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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: mothamaruti]
    #21768011 - 06/05/15 10:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Hey, thanks for your reply. It's really good to know your shroom trip helped you out. Could you tell me what kind of a psychosis you had? Did you have any delusions? Were you ever put on anti psychotics?

What was your set and setting for the trip?

Weed was the culprit in your case as well? I mainly turned psychotic due to cannabis abuse after my breakup.

I'm hoping for such a healing trip as well, on a low dosage of LSD. Around 150mics, will split the cube into half, so roughly dose 75mics initially, then the remaining.



I had auditory hallucinations of voices, quite often. But I could sometimes try and drown them out.

I was not put on psychotics, as I kinda refused to take them and my family accepted that with me.

I did have delusions, but they varied quite a bit. I had mild delusions like everyone would hate me, or wanted to kill me. I did have some crazy delusions that I thought a few of the games that I played were coming to life. Some days I could realize that they weren't real and stop them, but some other days I'd get so pulled into the delusions. The voices actually got me not to tell anyone at the time, until I finally did and went to the psychiatrist.

The setting for my trips were just my room and some music alone. I did walk around my house, but I had a great time that helped me even greater. Since my first mushroom trip, Any mental problems have completely disappeared. I feel much better about myself, and everything.

Oh and the cannabis did not cause it, It was just a slow buildup from depression I had been having.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Achillita]
    #21768207 - 06/05/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The thing with psychedelics, particularly mushrooms, is we don't know what they are really doing because no one has researched them yet (they're illegal even to medicine). I say particularly mushrooms because when I was focusing on something on mushrooms once I felt this awesome, healthy, regenerative and tickly feeling in my head and I noticed right away I felt better. The mind is a strange thing, the body-mind connection is unknown, but it looks like magic mushrooms can set off a spontaneous regeneration of the brain if it is damaged and the intelligence of the body, equipped with the sacred presence of the mushroom, somehow lets the body know exactly how to do its work.

There is no matter, only consciousness. You are made of consciousness. If you put an alkaloid in your brain that changes consciousness who knows what can happen. I'm saying here, this can.

If you heal your brain, well, schizophrenia is pretty much just brain damage...


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: mothamaruti]
    #21768426 - 06/06/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was once told that I had a "nervous breakdown". I was committed to a mental hospital for 1 & 1/2 months. This happened after ingesting some very strong Psychedelics. I was extremely out of it for about 1 month. The problem was that I wasn't eating practically at all. After I started eating, I realized that simply eating food was "bringing me back". I kept on eating and became pretty much normal almost immediately. The doctors, however, kept saying that I was out of it - even though I wasn't. I was released without their approval. They wanted me to take thorazine and said I'd go back to being crazy if I didn't. I was afraid and kept taking it for awhile. But then I started doubting more and more that the doctors knew what they were talking about.

I stopped taking the thorazine and started ingesting Psychedelics again. I had one more episode where I "flipped-out" and ended up in the mental hospital. But this time I knew right away to start eating and I was released within 2 weeks.

I then started learning how to eat properly - using the right nutrition -- and NO thorazine (which is really bad for your physical health).

I've never had another problem.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: circastes]
    #21769629 - 06/06/15 09:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The thing with psychedelics, particularly mushrooms, is we don't know what they are really doing because no one has researched them yet (they're illegal even to medicine). I say particularly mushrooms because when I was focusing on something on mushrooms once I felt this awesome, healthy, regenerative and tickly feeling in my head and I noticed right away I felt better. The mind is a strange thing, the body-mind connection is unknown, but it looks like magic mushrooms can set off a spontaneous regeneration of the brain if it is damaged and the intelligence of the body, equipped with the sacred presence of the mushroom, somehow lets the body know exactly how to do its work.

There is no matter, only consciousness. You are made of consciousness. If you put an alkaloid in your brain that changes consciousness who knows what can happen. I'm saying here, this can.

If you heal your brain, well, schizophrenia is pretty much just brain damage...




Would LSD have a similar healing effect like shrooms?

My brain isn't damaged, I've got several scans done and shown them to various doctors. Most doctors say I'm almost normal


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Q.I]
    #21769655 - 06/06/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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But then I started doubting more and more that the doctors knew what they were talking about.

I stopped taking the thorazine and started ingesting Psychedelics again. I had one more episode where I "flipped-out" and ended up in the mental hospital. But this time I knew right away to start eating and I was released within 2 weeks.

I then started learning how to eat properly - using the right nutrition -- and NO thorazine (which is really bad for your physical health).

I've never had another problem.




Doctors over prescribe medicines most of the time. At times the medicines are useful, especially in the early stages.

Yeah, eating right, exercising and meditation helped me a lot as well.

Did you trip on LSD after all your problems got over? How was the trip? Did it help you move forward in life?


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Bigfeely123]
    #21769717 - 06/06/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Greetings again man. Glad to hear back from you.

I'm not sure if kratom would relax you at the start of the trip. There may be a chance it will though since some kratom strains are a sedating type. Try having some xanax on hand in case your trip starts getting too intense for you to handle.

I am sort of in the same boat as you right now man. I have done mushrooms many times. But only done LSD once. Currently I have these purple gel tabs that everyone is raving about but I haven't even tried them yet & I've had them for a little over two months! I was extremely apprehensive of taking them because of a really bad mushroom trip that happened about 3 months ago. The last thing I wanted to have happen was relive a torturous, terrorizing trip from hell. But with the way I feel as of today & have been feeling the past week or so I think I am ready to do these gel tabs very, very soon.

I'm sending a whole lot of love, peace, & good vibes your way my dude. I think everything will go as planned for you as long as you stay calm & stick to a low dose. Hope to hear back from you.

:lsdabc:  :psychsplit:




Hey brah, I've got the red Sumatra kratom that is the sedating type, as well as the green Malay kratom. The sedating one completely relaxes me, so if I take it before hand, I'd be in a relaxed state already and that would avoid a bad trip. Also, I have Olanzapine at hand just in case my trip goes bad, to abort it. But I have a feeling if at all I trip, it's going to be all sunshine. Do you think some mdma at the end of the trip would make me feel and heal even better??

If you had your bad trip just 3 months ago, my suggestion is don't trip yet. Bad trips teach a lot and they point out a lot of your insecurities, addictions and other flaws. So my suggestion is integrate into your life what you've learned from your previous trips, and then proceed to tripping than instantly tripping now. That is where I went wrong in the past.

Thanks a ton for the love, peace and good vibes bro. Sending you the same feelings :smile:


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Achillita]
    #21769833 - 06/06/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

mothamaruti said:

Hey, thanks for your reply. It's really good to know your shroom trip helped you out. Could you tell me what kind of a psychosis you had? Did you have any delusions? Were you ever put on anti psychotics?

What was your set and setting for the trip?

Weed was the culprit in your case as well? I mainly turned psychotic due to cannabis abuse after my breakup.

I'm hoping for such a healing trip as well, on a low dosage of LSD. Around 150mics, will split the cube into half, so roughly dose 75mics initially, then the remaining.



I had auditory hallucinations of voices, quite often. But I could sometimes try and drown them out.

I was not put on psychotics, as I kinda refused to take them and my family accepted that with me.

The setting for my trips were just my room and some music alone. I did walk around my house, but I had a great time that helped me even greater. Since my first mushroom trip, Any mental problems have completely disappeared. I feel much better about myself, and everything.





Did you use shrooms or LSD for healing? At present I have access only to LSD, would that work as well? I remember from my tripping days that i found shrooms to be a little more spiritual. Also, did you feel lonely tripping alone?? That's my main fear.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: mothamaruti]
    #21770558 - 06/06/15 01:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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But then I started doubting more and more that the doctors knew what they were talking about.

I stopped taking the thorazine and started ingesting Psychedelics again. I had one more episode where I "flipped-out" and ended up in the mental hospital. But this time I knew right away to start eating and I was released within 2 weeks.

I then started learning how to eat properly - using the right nutrition -- and NO thorazine (which is really bad for your physical health).

I've never had another problem.




Doctors over prescribe medicines most of the time. At times the medicines are useful, especially in the early stages.

Yeah, eating right, exercising and meditation helped me a lot as well.

Did you trip on LSD after all your problems got over? How was the trip? Did it help you move forward in life?




Yes, I ingested LSD - but I am more into Tryptamines. I also believe that Psychedelics are the "Flesh of God".

I used to believe the same things as most people about God and Christ, etc. But Psychedelics guided through the horrors to the realization. I saw that my former spiritual beliefs were very responsible for my mental breakdowns.

The spiritual understanding was the guide that led to recovery.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: Q.I]
    #21772577 - 06/07/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Did you get an fMRI or something that is a FUNCTIONAL (the 'f') scan? It detects brain glucose levels somehow. You would find deactivation in certain areas, surely.

The sort of damage I'm talking about is like, regions or patterns of dead cells that wouldn't show up as lesions.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: circastes]
    #21772580 - 06/07/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Oh you're the guy that PM'd me about this. Sorry if the convo broke down or I forgot to msg back.

I think the idea I had in my head, my friend, is that you were looking for an excuse to trip despite risks.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: circastes]
    #21772618 - 06/07/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

schizophrenia makes you ungrounded in reality, and then you take another drug that makes you even more ungrounded

It might not end up good

LSD helped me heal my depression, but it caused as much bad as good , shrooms cause as much bad as good for me too

There's a down to every up.

So you could get there without the drug, meditate alone in nature, don't pay attention to your thoughts, let thoughts come and go

Always helps me when I feel low, it's the best way I know, and I had depression for 16 years - even though I thought I was happy/content, but your smile never lies :-)


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: circastes]
    #21772705 - 06/07/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Did you get an fMRI or something that is a FUNCTIONAL (the 'f') scan? It detects brain glucose levels somehow. You would find deactivation in certain areas, surely.

The sort of damage I'm talking about is like, regions or patterns of dead cells that wouldn't show up as lesions.




I've gotten several brain scans done according to what the doctors asked my family, and the doctors told me my brain is not damaged, period.

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I think the idea I had in my head, my friend, is that you were looking for an excuse to trip despite risks.




I've been contemplating this trip for the last 3 years, and I'm not doing it at impulse. Most of my previous trips improved my life greatly and brought a lot of magic and adventure in my life. I've waited for almost full recovery before I tripped again, and haven't tripped for the last 4-5 years. I've made this post to see if anyone out there went through a similar ordeal like me and managed to have a life altering trip after that. Please note, I'm not your full blown schizophrenic or bipolar that has lost touch with reality, I'm a normal person who's had an acute psychosis in the past. I'm still weighing the pros and cons and contemplating whether to do this, for that I'm looking for others opinions and experiences.


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Re: An LSD trip to give you the final push to sanity from Schizophrenia/Bipolar. [Re: mothamaruti]
    #21777185 - 06/08/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Any more experiences guys? I'm sure quite a few have gone through this adversity. Please share, along with advice. I'm in no hurry to trip until I'm absolutely sure


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