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GAINZ and Psychedelics :-)
    #21764349 - 06/05/15 01:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So I wasn't sure where else to post this topic but I know there are other individuals that must have a similar dilemma.  I've always been an enthusiastic drug and psych user. Lots of mushroom, LSD, etc and research chem experiences.  But I recently (about a year ago) started to focus on some physical gains rather than mental. After seeing a post about speed (amphetamines unrelated to subject;-))  and weight training it made me think about how much I've neglected the psychs these past 7months or so.

I can't help but consider the idea that being spiritually enlightened and sculpting an asthetically pleasing physique are two opposing life styles that must be prioritized. But I love the mind and body equally. I cannot choose.

Anyone have the same situation going on or anything similar?


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: PsychedelicHam]
    #21764365 - 06/05/15 02:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

was it not hippocrates who said the health of the body affects the mind and vice versa.

its a balance and looking after and training your body is good for more than just your muscles!

the learnt dedication ect can be transient and affect your whole general outlook an improve motivation, wellbeing and life in general.

a happy body is a happy mind

nothing egotistical about looking after the vessel to which you have to reside for the rest of your life unless its for superficial reasons.

if god is real then im sure he would appreciate the effort to look after ones body and live your life rather than be spiritual and fuck over the gift of life thats been given to you.

a man that is enlightened or spiritually connected but ruins the vessel that allows him to recieve this enlightenment is worse than an average person who looks after and respects the gift of life and dosent deserve the position of being enlightened.

to be enlightened  on the whole we must work on the mind and the body and try and get them to work in harmony this is true nirvana :smile:


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: PsychedelicHam]
    #21764462 - 06/05/15 03:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Being in shape and having a good body gets you more real advantages in life, more than taking psychedelics to become "enlightened", whatever that means. That's just me though, since most of the "revelations" etc I've had on psychedelics were just fake bullshit that felt significant at the time and wore off not long after anyway. :shrug:

I really don't see why you think you need to choose one or the other though. I have multiple friends that take psychedelics often and workout on a regular basis.


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: Eminence]
    #21764503 - 06/05/15 03:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

thats the difficult thing with psychedelics often while on the substance we have great revelations but after struggle to turn this into an act of service in the real world.

but they can make you feel more in harmony with yourself as you learn to except who you are and then slowly alter the outward projection you make.(sometimes without you even being aware)
i have known people say they got nothing from mushrooms and be blissfully  unaware of the change in them and there outlook or general disposition but to all else who know them.... something has changed sometimes literally overnight, but its hard to put a finger on what exactly has changed and what is different.

or even if its just your view of them after the act has changed rather than the person itself.

the drugs just give you the mindset to look at yourself from an outside perspective imo
the healing only happens if you gain new perspective and try continue to develop it while sober.

also i dont see someone who is enlightened as someone has some definitive knowlegde, more has become wise enough to accept that things are what they are and is in harmony with everything.
blissful acceptance of everything that 'is' has 'been' and will 'be' would sum it up nicely for me

two links you may find interesting or maybe not :smile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asceticism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism

im not religious but jainism is as far removed from most.
its more of a moral code that most humans should have or aspire too achieve.
plus you can be jain and still agree with modern science.
it a great thing for anyone who seeks to better themselves and its one of the oldest ways too :smile:

its principles are pure


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: PsychedelicHam]
    #21767163 - 06/05/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I can't help but consider the idea that being spiritually enlightened and sculpting an asthetically pleasing physique are two opposing life styles that must be prioritized. But I love the mind and body equally. I cannot choose.

Anyone have the same situation going on or anything similar?




You don't need to choose man. I'm an athlete, I train 20ish hours a week, I take psychedelics, and I don't find much of a conflict between the two. The only time I struggle with these two lifestyles is when I'm completely broken from a big week of training and might have to postpone a planned psychedelic trip for a day or two until I'm better rested. I suppose it also depends on your motives for improving your body: for example, if it is to make you feel as though you're better than other people, then maybe this will impede your journey toward spiritual enlightenment. Different people discover different insights through psychedelics, some of which may conflict with the pursuit of an aesthetic physique. If you do not have this insight, then there is no point going on somebody else's word as to whether they conflict or not.

If you think taking psychedelics and pursuing spiritual enlightenment is important, then do it!
If you think that sculpting an aesthetically pleasing physique is important, then do it!

There is no reason in principal why these two actions should contradict one another.


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: secondorder]
    #21768220 - 06/05/15 11:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Unfortunately this so called fitness journey is no fitness journey really. It's more of a make myself look good journey so I DO feel better than others. I admit it is completely superficial but I still don't consider myself to be a bad person. I still love the psychedelics and I still love people...  But being a "hippy" vs being a "lunk/douchebag" correlate almost completely indirectly.  I may always have to remind myself that I love them equally. I just don't want to leave my psychedelic lifestyle behind.  We'll see.


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: PsychedelicHam]
    #21768507 - 06/06/15 01:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I find the two worlds colliding in my life and do my best to find harmony.

I meditate daily but rarely take the sacred medicines these days.

If I stopped my bodybuilding lifestyle or reduced it to a maintainence level then it would provide a better platform for more regular shamanism.

With entheogens one sees above and through the idea that "I am my body only and its attributes" which can make investing time and energy in bodybuilding seem superfluous.

I lighter diet also supports voyaging while a heavier meat based diet which is usually needed to build the greek god body can weigh down those heavenly flights.

My physique keeps me socially connected in a world that provides status, respect, admiration and some income. However psychedelics and mystical insight get me in touch with my true nature and the deeper purpose of this birth, which unfortunately cannot be translated in to much effect on the surface.


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: PsychedelicHam]
    #21772528 - 06/07/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable."; this quote by Socrates helped me realize that there is no wrong in wanting to exercise both your mind and body.

I believe that you must be strong in both mind and body. A strong/healthy mind is useless without a strong/healthy body, and vice versa.


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: Lost Bear]
    #21772637 - 06/07/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Psychedelics throw you a bit off balance usually, it impacts your thoughts and overview for a while, there's always a price to pay for every up.

You can work out your spirituality without using drugs, it might actually be best for you, now that you think so much of amphetamines etc( which is 8% pure in the street - mixed with stuff thats bad for mind and body - and comes from troubling neighborhoods..)

An enlightened being wouldn't be focusing on their body primarily, but being their own spirit I think

What the body looks like doesn't matter much
The shape of the body doesn't matter much, an enlightened being can be happy with cancer

What separates us from god is that we feel we must look good for others to accept us
That we feel we must be clever/enlightened

But enlightened is also from right actions, that you cannot read yourself to, or take drugs to reach

Your actions and your patience define who you are a lot
One who does good deeds towards others know his god
one who does nothing for others has forgotten his god

no patience is bad, unstable person
big patience, thats a virtue, energy in excess

what you give is what you get , and a drug rarely helps - it just clouds the vision of the spirit in many cases


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Re: GAINZ and Psychedelics :-) [Re: lessismore]
    #21772746 - 06/07/15 03:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"it just clouds the vision of the spirit in many cases"

Entheogens do not cloud the vision of the spirit if taken in the right manner, more often the opposite.


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