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The Military has Too Much Money * 3
    #21762841 - 06/04/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Seriously though, DOD just gives crazy shit away to school district PD's.  grenade launchers, APC's, M16's.  That shit is expensive.  Since when do we have so much extra money hanging out of our ass in this country(USA)that we can afford to throw away all that shit.  It's not like the LAUSD PD is ever going to use grenade launchers.  I think its just a way to get that equipment off the books, so the military can buy even more shit that they'll just throw away.  Check out a surplus auction some time.  you'll be surprised at the shit they auction off for 150 bucks(min. bid).  stuff like duece and a half trucks with only a few thousand hours use are a dime a dozen.  Amphibious vehicles, fired brass, office chairs, all for pennies on the dollar. (and thats the stuff they sell to the public)  I can't even guess how many actual firearms they've simply given away to PD's around the country.  WTF?  and meanwhile, we don't have money for roads, bridges, education, infrastructure improvements, etc.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #21762853 - 06/04/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It wouldn't be so bad if there was a lot more oversight on the defense contractors who make the tanks, missles, etc. You know they're stealing us blind.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #21762946 - 06/04/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The us military answers to no one.

They can do whatever they want and no one has the authority to stop them.

You know why? because the people who would object to it dont even know about it. its classified

If you don't even know about something, how can you be against it?


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: MilkdudTitties]
    #21762998 - 06/04/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i hate to break it to you, but the shit i'm talking about is not classified.  you can buy military shit at surplus auctions right now. 
as for the PD free military hardware giveaway, thats not classified either.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-americas-police-became-army-1033-program-264537

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America has been quietly arming its police for battle since the early 1990s.


Faced with a bloated military and what it perceived as a worsening drug crisis, the 101st Congress in 1990 enacted the National Defense Authorization Act. Section 1208 of the NDAA allowed the Secretary of Defense to “transfer to Federal and State agencies personal property of the Department of Defense, including small arms and ammunition, that the Secretary determines is— (A) suitable for use by such agencies in counter-drug activities; and (B) excess to the needs of the Department of Defense.” It was called the 1208 Program. In 1996, Congress replaced Section 1208 with Section 1033.The idea was that if the U.S. wanted its police to act like drug warriors, it should equip them like warriors, which it has—to the tune of around $4.3 billion in equipment, according to a report by the American Civil Liberties Union. The St. Louis County Police Department’s annual budget is around $160 million. By providing law enforcement agencies with surplus military equipment free of charge, the NDAA encourages police to employ military weapons and military tactics.




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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21763152 - 06/04/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Army surplus down the street. Has $500-$600 retail, Surefire weapon mounted lights for about $100. New in the box.


When you buy one, you're actually paying for it twice.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: grasshoppertexas]
    #21763371 - 06/04/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"We currently spend more on defense than the next 7 countries combined. Defense spending accounts for almost 20 percent of all federal spending — nearly as much as Social Security, or the combined spending for Medicare and Medicaid. The sheer size of the defense budget suggests that it should be part of any serious effort to address America's long-term fiscal challenges. National security threats have evolved over the past 50 years, changing the nature of U.S. commitments around the world. We need a defense budget that matches these new security challenges, not the threats of the last century. We should also recognize that a strong economy is essential for providing the resources to meet future threats, and addressing our long-term structural debts will keep our economy strong. Indeed, as Admiral Mike Mullen, the past Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has said: "The single greatest threat to our national security is our debt." link for graph below
U.S. Defense spending


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21763511 - 06/04/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

'Defense' spending. Oh the irony.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: nuds]
    #21763514 - 06/04/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha made me laugh too.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Trichome_Delta9]
    #21763662 - 06/04/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i wonder if that graph is accounting for emergency spending bills and the like


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21763758 - 06/04/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure what your talking about. PD don't have rocket launchers and that sort of surplus from the government. They get basic shit like armored vehicles and small arms. I'd rather the military sell the surplus to get money back then to pawn it off to other countries.

People act like they know the inns and outs of how our government works but have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. We have enemies everywhere so I hope we spend a good amount of money on our defense. without it we wouldn't be here.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Gorlax]
    #21763787 - 06/04/15 10:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Do you know why we have enemies everywhere?


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Gorlax]
    #21763900 - 06/04/15 11:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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People act like they know the inns and outs of how our government works but have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.




HAHA! yeah i know, right? :aweshit:

Sorry bro, you are wrong.  They do give away shit like grenade launchers to school district PDs.  The shit is only given back after the Newspaper prints front page shit about it and the public finds out.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/l-a-school-district-police-armed-with-grenade-launchers-armored-vehicle/

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Los Angeles Unified School District police officials are considering whether they need the armored vehicle and grenade launchers they received from the U.S. military, CBS Los Angeles reported.

But officials are relinquishing some of the weaponry after civil rights and education groups urged the Defense Department to end the program, according to The Los Angeles Times.

L.A. Unified is one of at least 22 school systems in eight states that receive the military-grade equipment, the newspaper reports.

The armored vehicle is worth $733,000, and the school district's police force got it from the government for free.


The district is also in possession of grenade launchers, which it received for free from the military after 9/11.




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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21763950 - 06/04/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
Seriously though, DOD just gives crazy shit away to school district PD's.





how many school shootings you think there will be now


also remember

this was made available by Obama, a democrat that calls himself a progressive and
like the other progressives, he believes government should be taking care of us


Thanks Obama



this is how the story read to me


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ballsalsa said:
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The armored vehicle is worth $733,000, and the school district's police force got it from the government for free.


The district is also in possession of grenade launchers, which it received for free from the military after 9/11.







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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21763979 - 06/04/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

how many school shootings you think there will be now


also remember

this was made available by Obama, a democrat that calls himself a progressive and
like the other progressives, he believes government should be taking care of us


Thanks Obama





WRONG. try again. there's only one page to this thread Pris, you could take the time to read it before you spout off



http://www.newsweek.com/how-americas-police-became-army-1033-program-264537

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America has been quietly arming its police for battle since the early 1990s. Faced with a bloated military and what it perceived as a worsening drug crisis, the 101st Congress in 1990 enacted the National Defense Authorization Act. Section 1208 of the NDAA allowed the Secretary of Defense to “transfer to Federal and State agencies personal property of the Department of Defense, including small arms and ammunition, that the Secretary determines is— (A) suitable for use by such agencies in counter-drug activities; and (B) excess to the needs of the Department of Defense.” It was called the 1208 Program. In 1996, Congress replaced Section 1208 with Section 1033.




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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21764048 - 06/04/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I have an SKS with a grenade launcher. It's the grenades that matter so having a grenade launcher really doesn't mean shit.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Gorlax]
    #21764073 - 06/05/15 12:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

so first the gov't didn't give them grenade launchers, and now they did, but without any grenades?
i like your style sir.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21764090 - 06/05/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Have any of you attended a public school on Los Angeles? The students are armed like a fucking army. A grenade launcher isnt even close to what they need to keep those kids from burning the place down.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Le_Canard]
    #21764134 - 06/05/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Le_Canard said:
It wouldn't be so bad if there was a lot more oversight on the defense contractors who make the tanks, missles, etc. You know they're stealing us blind.



Avg cost each b-2 bomber... 2.2 billion :rofl:


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: twighead]
    #21764182 - 06/05/15 12:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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twighead said:
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Le_Canard said:
It wouldn't be so bad if there was a lot more oversight on the defense contractors who make the tanks, missles, etc. You know they're stealing us blind.



Avg cost each b-2 bomber... 2.2 billion :rofl:



Would you rather us have knockoffs? Or like the dented can versions?

Those bombers cost so much but they work so well. I'm not complaining. We could be like other countries and have to rely on some other country for our defenses. Instead we can sleep tight knowing our enemies will never get within a thousand mile of our borders.

If someone want to invade from the west they have to take out Hawaii, or else our navy will flank them. If they come through the east, all our bases in Europe will have to be taken out first for the same reason, and the nations which house those bases won't take kindly to those actions.

Complain about our defends all you want, at least your complaining in English and not German or Russian. Move to Mexico if you want a shit military.


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Re: The Military has Too Much Money [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21764194 - 06/05/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Have any of you attended a public school on Los Angeles? The students are armed like a fucking army. A grenade launcher isnt even close to what they need to keep those kids from burning the place down.




I live in Los Angeles.  what you are saying is hyperbole at best.


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