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My first experience with DMT and some questions.
    #21762606 - 06/04/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hello!

Ever since seeing DMT : The Spirit Molecule 3 or 4 years ago, I have been utterly fascinated by DMT and Ayahuasca.

I never thought I would actually get my hands on some, but I did.

I got 1 gram of a slightly yellowish looking powdery substance. I spent a lot of time trying to research the best way to actually smoke it! From what I have gathered.. there is the "oil-burning pipe", "sandwhich method" using any sort of herb or even cigarette ash, a home made "Machine", and a vapogenie (GVG is preferred).


I didn't want to use a oil burning pipe because it just seems dirty to me. I kind of pride myself on being one of the only people in my circle of friends who hasn't tried meth. I really want that GVG, but at $110, it's a little pricey. I was going to use the machine, but the local liqour store doesnt carry those small hennessey bottles! I was left with the sandwhich method..

I invited my friend over to try it with me and to figure out how we were going to do this. Well he used to be into meth so he was kind of leaning towards the oil burner. I read that the sandwhich method can waste more, and we were kind of thinking it'd be easier to burn it that way too...

So... now he convinced me to use the oil burner pipe. It was brand new and clean. Wasnt my preferred method, but i realized since its being used for DMT and not meth... it's okay IMO.

Anyway.. i told him he was going to go first, lol. I measured 0.05 grams for him. He started heating it, and it liquified, and then he took 3 awesome hits. He only held the first one in for about 20 seconds though, the others were shorter than that.

Well he instantly started tripping and I can't really explain what his experience was, i just know he enjoyed it but didnt break through. We decided he was very close to breaking through...

Now it was my turn and I've never hit a pipe like that before so I was pretty clueless. I also put 0.05 in. I got one awesome rip and everything in my vision looked like clay or something and kind of stopped moving, but my vision just drifted a few inches.. well then the colors were very bright and amazing.. and i felt like a battery, lol. I cant explain it except that I felt like I was being charged up like a battery and just felt part of something bigger. The effects only lasted for maybe 2-3 minutes. My friend had a much stronger experience than I did. He's also probably 100 pounds lighter.

Honestly, I kind of bitched out because I wasn't really able to hit it again like the first time. I was just caught off guard with how i was feeling and i couldnt hit it again. I mean, I wanted to, and I think I knew i was supposed to, but for some reason I just couldn't. Well then a couple minutes later I DID get the control to hit it again but this time the smoke was just TERRIBLE and HOT. It made me choke pretty hard. After that, I just stopped and decided that it was good enough for a first attempt!


We felt completely fine after 30 minutes for sure, and it was like it never even happened.



Now time for the questions!!

How do YOU smoke it?

The oil burning pipe that we used still has a puddle in it from when I was hitting it.. how long will that be "good" for? Is it just as good as fresh powder?

Ive been told that your tolerance goes up very fast with this stuff. Can someone explain that a little bit? I stopped smoking it after a few minutes because I was told you build a tolerance that quick, and I didnt want to be wasting any if it wasnt going to work. So.. lets say from the very first hit you take, how fast do you have to try and break through? A couple minutes? And how long will you have a tolerance for? An hour? A week? Month?


Would you suggest trying the sandwhich method in my little bong? With weed, cigarette ash, or parsley? Ive seen all three. I just feel like the little oil burner we were using didnt hold enough smoke and that a bong would allow for much bigger hits!

Are there any negatives to this?? I seriously didn't have any negative side effects aside from the terrible taste/harshness/hotness of the smoke. Short term and long term??



Thats it for now. I know this is just rambling on.. I did not talk to aliens or have anything super crazy to share... but I want to! And i'm just very excited to actually have tried it, whether I broke through or not.. I just needed to talk about it to someone!


Just remembered... I am very intrigued by Changa as well. Is it really so simple as to dissolve the powder into rubbing alcohol and then soak some weed in it?


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: and.i.crawl]
    #21762669 - 06/04/15 06:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yeah from what I was reading on the DMT nexus the other  day, changa is one of the easiest ways to go, since you can just smoke the herb. (DMT nexus is a veryy helpful website for DMT, even compared to shroomery)

It also sounds like its really easy to make changa if you already have DMT. And since it has MAOI, the experience lasts longer people say, and it takes less to break through

I have seen a fair number of people say that sandwich method works fine. I personally went with the vapor genie as I wanted to avoid burning the DMT at all costs.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: and.i.crawl]
    #21763383 - 06/04/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

By far the best way is the same as hash oil: put it on a 'nail' and dab it. 

I mean a quarts, glass or titanium nail meant for smoking. 

Think of a dab of hash oil or shatter.  No matter how much you put on a bowl of green, only so much is gunna burn off with a lighter.  And put that dab in a vape/free base pipe and same, maybe you could get it all to go ig you knew what you were doing and took a huge rip...but put that dab on a nail in a dab rig and every bit of it burns up every time.  By far the best (most potent) way to smoke. 

Just clean the bong and nail rigging afterwords to get the taste out.

Good luck on your adventures


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: helenkeller]
    #21763404 - 06/04/15 09:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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helenkeller said:
By far the best way is the same as hash oil: put it on a 'nail' and dab it. 

I mean a quarts, glass or titanium nail meant for smoking. 

Think of a dab of hash oil or shatter.  No matter how much you put on a bowl of green, only so much is gunna burn off with a lighter.  And put that dab in a vape/free base pipe and same, maybe you could get it all to go ig you knew what you were doing and took a huge rip...but put that dab on a nail in a dab rig and every bit of it burns up every time.  By far the best (most potent) way to smoke. 

Just clean the bong and nail rigging afterwords to get the taste out.

Good luck on your adventures



I have heard others recommend the dab rig method as well. just fyi


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: helenkeller]
    #21763410 - 06/04/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

They say a majority of the thc is destroyed by the high heat of a lighter but it still gets you high.  I always go for higher heat than lower because I'd rather burn a little of it and get a larger rip than risk not activating it enough. 

Next time you smoke it just dump a pile on the top of the bowl and it it directly with the flame.  Then put it out when it catches on fire. Them hit it with the lighter again.  Just take that one rip and hold it. 


Maybe not the most economical but it's not an everyday thing anyway. Just try it lol you won't be disappointed. Or use a nail if you have that option that's the truth.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: helenkeller]
    #21763550 - 06/04/15 09:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea I've personally used a domeless oil rig nail quite a few times, works perfectly. Different nail designs and materials do make the cooling down of the nail different, but once you figure that out you're golden.

Personally I think I'd use a domed setup for deems, instead of domeless. Since you really want that to be cold as possible, a small nail will cool down faster, and if it gets too cold capping the dome with your thumb will make the rest vape.

Or get an enail :laugh:


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #21763624 - 06/04/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The way I always do it is thru my bong put a lil bit of herb on the bottom just enough to cover screen then dmt then a little more herb. I use a Hakko soldering iron with a ceramic tip, get all the herb embering and clear the whole bowl worked great everytime.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: BoomerMan420]
    #21764153 - 06/05/15 12:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Order a healthstone online. It's a little puck with a million holes. It is the perfect screen. Put in I your bong. It vaporizes perfectly. It's the same idea as the machine, but it doesn't use metal and you use your bong instead of a bottle with a jagged hole in the glass.

Much classier. And way more consistent.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #21764422 - 06/05/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Godfather1376 said:

Personally I think I'd use a domed setup for deems, instead of domeless. Since you really want that to be cold as possible,




This is why god gave us carb caps :lol:

You guys use some expensive methods.

A universal domeless nail would be around 20$ on the low end, and you can use it with any bong/ water pipe that has standard or semi standard sized joints.

Then if you really want perfect hits you could get a laser thermometer gun and a carb cap for perfect the temp every time.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21764518 - 06/05/15 04:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yea i know, i left out a carb cap for money reasons and just leaving out extra equipment to make it simpler


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: Godfather1376]
    #21764548 - 06/05/15 04:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah its smart to keep it simple but I love complex stuff :lol:

Enails are super expensive for example, and with a laser heat reader and a domeless nail/ carb cap you get most of the bonuses minus the ease of use for wayy cheaper.


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I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21765289 - 06/05/15 10:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Health stones go for $5 at my local smoke shop. That's about as cheap as a meth pipe. And you don't need a glass on glass bong. Any old bowl will do, you could even put it in your pipe, although o recommend something with water in it.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21766179 - 06/05/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Where do you live???

Last I checked they went for like 50$~ online...


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I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21766251 - 06/05/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The name brand health stones do go for like $100 for four. That's what kept me from getting them For so long. In case of didn't work I didn't want to spend that much. But I've been checking out all the smoke shops I pass for months. I finally found one when I moved and they had a swisher case filled with the stones for like $5. I'm In the Bay Area  California. They are cheap enough if you google something like, ceramic flavor discs or something like that. Once I'm home I can find where o saw them for so cheap online.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21766341 - 06/05/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah that's sweet, I have been waiting for them to drop in price myself. I have buying overpriced smoking paraphernalia...

Health stones work so good for oil though and hash :drooling:


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21766470 - 06/05/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

http://silversurfervap.com/index.php/silversurfervap/ceramic-flavor-disc.html

$5 online, I would order a couple of them because they break kinda easy, so it's nice to have a few back ups.

There are two reasons I don't use the sandwich method anymore.

1. I have to smoke some weed, to get ash. Then use more weed as a screen. And after I come down from the dmt I can never feel any weed high even if I was blasted like snoop dogg. So I usually smoke some weed again to get where I was before. So like three bowls of weed for one blastoff attempt. Not a big deal but it kinda was to me.

2. Most importantly, marijuana smoke expands in your lungs while the vapor from the DMT does not. This makes it harder to hold in your hits for 20 plus seconds, especially on your third hit or more.
If you are having trouble breaking through using the sandwich method then switch to dabbing/the machine/ healthstones, because it's the weed smoke holding you back. Pure DMT vapor is so smooth and as easy to hold in as oxygen. Everyone I've used the healthstone with has loved it.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21766502 - 06/05/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:thumbup:

I may buy one of each size right now.

FUCKKKKKKK, their shipping is 10+$ just for 2 little pieces of ceramic? Fuck that...

Maybe when I make some extra money I will place an order that will be more worth it.


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I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21766568 - 06/05/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Keep looking. Ceramic flavor discs. That's what I put into google.

I remember a few months ago I saw them on some lab supply website for $2.50.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21766585 - 06/05/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There was one on bay for 5$ with free shipping but the listing is over already and I don't see more. Will keep on googling around though.


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Re: My first experience with DMT and some questions. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21768146 - 06/05/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
Yeah its smart to keep it simple but I love complex stuff :lol:

Enails are super expensive for example, and with a laser heat reader and a domeless nail/ carb cap you get most of the bonuses minus the ease of use for wayy cheaper.





Not if you look around or make one yourself. Found 2 dudes that have some really nice e-nail's with coil and quartz nail for 300. You can build one yourself with all that for ~150 if you have the skills.


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