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cigam



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Take your tub outside for sun and air ?
#21762402 - 06/04/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just wondering.Could it be beneficial or detrimental? I'm going to find out.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: cigam]
#21762544 - 06/04/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why do you leave your holes open without polyfill? Youll get all the FAE you need through the holes/poly and if you use proper lighting you should get all the light you need.
So I wouldnt bother bringing them outside 
Nice tub man
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mushpunx]
#21762869 - 06/04/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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doesn't hurt. just don't let it dry out.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: cigam]
#21765078 - 06/05/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It depends on a number of factors:- Temperature
- Exposure -direct sunlight is no good
- RH
- And last but not least: Safety - Are there animals around?
Sunlight is great for mushroom cultivation, but it's easier to put your tub near a window inside your house.
Oh and please stuff those holes with polifyl or you are going to ruin your flush.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766126 - 06/05/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A single exposure to direct sunlight for several minutes can be beneficial to getting a good pinset.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766133 - 06/05/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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would you like to share any more info on that kizzle?
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21766139 - 06/05/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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would you like to share any more info on that kizzle?
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mush madness]
#21766154 - 06/05/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766171 - 06/05/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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that was my instinct!
im a firm believer. when i colonise in light( i use sunlight from window) once the mycelium is 100% it knots up nicely before i even give it FAE leading to a smoother transition in to fruiting imo.
it sets up the tub like a ticking bomb and if you wait for 1 pin to emerge then give it fae it sets off the chain reaction leading to a faster pinset. and if you late case thinly 1/4 inch after giving FAE this secures lots of humidity at the surface and in the gaps of the casing ensuring the conditions to allow these knots to go on to form pins.
im a firm believer that the light can and does iniciates the knots.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766175 - 06/05/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
Wonder how it would work with a case, would you give it sun beforehand?
I ask because I am working with PE right now and will be casing it
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mush madness]
#21766228 - 06/05/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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direct sunlight is fine as long as shit doesn't dry out.  holes in a mono need not be stuffed if it's being watched and doesn't dry out
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mush madness]
#21766318 - 06/05/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
Wonder how it would work with a case, would you give it sun beforehand?
I ask because I am working with PE right now and will be casing it
I'd wait until you see mycelium strands popping out. The pins usually form on the end of those when you're using a casing layer.
I know direct sunlight is not harmful to mushrooms, at least not directly. Like Bod said, drying is the main concern. Not sure about long-term exposure when there's exposed mycelium in uncased substrates since it's less protected from the UV light than fruit bodies.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766368 - 06/05/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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fruit bodies evolved to protect exposed mycelium from the sun hence pigmented caps. the most successful structures were the ones that eventually evolved spore forming structures and aided in great dispersal rather than done by fragmentation and animals.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#21766417 - 06/05/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: A single exposure to direct sunlight for several minutes can be beneficial to getting a good pinset.
Hi Kizzle, I am sure you already know that direct sunlight is useful only if cakes are particularly stubborn and do not pin. That tub is already pinning and direct sunlight wont change a thing for him.
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bodhisatta said: direct sunlight is fine as long as shit doesn't dry out.  holes in a mono need not be stuffed if it's being watched and doesn't dry out
Direct sunlight will dry out a tray or a tub in a few hours, so no: direct sunlight is no good for mushroom cultivation except as a pinning trigger in some rare cases. People have been stuffing mono holes with polifyl for ages and there is a reason for that. It creates the perfect environment for the mushrooms to grow. Can you grow mushrooms in a mono without polifyl? Of course you can. I grew mushroom using milk and beer instead of water, but that's far from being ideal. Like I said before, don't try splitting hairs please. It's time consuming.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766462 - 06/05/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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seems like you're the only one concerned about time here, you simply don't have to post if you think it's not worth it.
you're not a deity your posts are worth being called out 
do you have direct experience with leaving tubs out in the sun? where cubes fruit all by themselves? I've put plenty of my grows outside for a few hours a day, you baby sit them. if you don't that's your fault. Where's your proof there's no benefit from direct sunlight? or that if there is it's only for cakes that are stubborn. that sounds pretty specific, like you pulled it out of say, your ass?
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#21766501 - 06/05/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: seems like you're the only one concerned about time here, you simply don't have to post if you think it's not worth it.
you're not a deity your posts are worth being called out 
do you have direct experience with leaving tubs out in the sun? where cubes fruit all by themselves? I've put plenty of my grows outside for a few hours a day, you baby sit them. if you don't that's your fault. Where's your proof there's no benefit from direct sunlight? or that if there is it's only for cakes that are stubborn. that sounds pretty specific, like you pulled it out of say, your ass?
Like I told you in another thread:
Anything, rain, direct sunlight, hot temperatures, low RH, literally anything is "fine" for a few minutes or for an hour. That doesn't mean that it's ideal.
Any kind of light will be beneficial for mushrooms. Any. Direct sunlight, especially during summer, can dry the substrate out though, so it's far from being ideal. A simple fluorescent bulb is much better and more practical.
Also, did you notice that tag under my name? That tag is there to let people know that I am speaking from experience
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766514 - 06/05/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi Kizzle, I am sure you already know that direct sunlight is useful only if cakes are particularly stubborn and do not pin. That tub is already pinning and direct sunlight wont change a thing for him.
But you never know. I'm not saying it's going to help an already pinning substrate in any way but he already said he intends to try it so I'll be taking this opportunity to watch to see, unless he changes his mind.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766532 - 06/05/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
Wonder how it would work with a case, would you give it sun beforehand?
I ask because I am working with PE right now and will be casing it
I'd wait until you see mycelium strands popping out. The pins usually form on the end of those when you're using a casing layer.
I know direct sunlight is not harmful to mushrooms, at least not directly. Like Bod said, drying is the main concern. Not sure about long-term exposure when there's exposed mycelium in uncased substrates since it's less protected from the UV light than fruit bodies.
Thanks for the advice, once I patch it and get a even growth I will give it a little sunshine. Wish I had a second tub going to see the difference
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766546 - 06/05/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi Kizzle, I am sure you already know that direct sunlight is useful only if cakes are particularly stubborn and do not pin. That tub is already pinning and direct sunlight wont change a thing for him.
But you never know. I'm not saying it's going to help an already pinning substrate in any way but he already said he intends to try it so I'll be taking this opportunity to watch to see, unless he changes his mind.
I see where you are coming from, but I have to stress that direct sunlight on a already pinning sub won't change a thing. Light is light guys. Mushrooms do need light to grow nice and healthy (although they can grow in total darkness as well), but a fluorescent bulb involves way less risks while providing the same results.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766580 - 06/05/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've actually been going the low light route recently since I noticed it delays spore production which gives more time for your mushroom to grow before you have to harvest them to prevent a mess from the spores. I have an unproven hunch that by allowing them more time to grow more actives may be able to accumulate. Unfortunately minor differences in potency is a hard thing to determine.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766688 - 06/05/15 04:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I've actually been going the low light route recently since I noticed it delays spore production which gives more time for your mushroom to grow before you have to harvest them to prevent a mess from the spores. I have an unproven hunch that by allowing them more time to grow more actives may be able to accumulate. Unfortunately minor differences in potency is a hard thing to determine.
Interesting. What do you mean by "low light"?
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766744 - 06/05/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I've actually been going the low light route recently since I noticed it delays spore production which gives more time for your mushroom to grow before you have to harvest them to prevent a mess from the spores. I have an unproven hunch that by allowing them more time to grow more actives may be able to accumulate. Unfortunately minor differences in potency is a hard thing to determine.
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Kizzle said: I've actually been going the low light route recently since I noticed it delays spore production which gives more time for your mushroom to grow before you have to harvest them to prevent a mess from the spores. I have an unproven hunch that by allowing them more time to grow more actives may be able to accumulate. Unfortunately minor differences in potency is a hard thing to determine.
I have been using low temps myself, (this is my first active grow) no stranger to edibles but I have been running 65 with the lights off and 70 once they come on. I have incredibly slow growth. They pinned 2 weeks ago today. Today I noticed that the caps are just starting to tear from the stem, not sure how long I have to go but I would guess another 3to 5 days. So between 2 1/2 to 3 weeks growth
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mush madness]
#21766904 - 06/05/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm interested In this knowing fluorescent lights being better than the sun any day with most outdoor grows easily slaying monotubs.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: cigam]
#21767124 - 06/05/15 06:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I took poly out and gave it a healthy misting and baby sat it for about an hour outside yesterday,just to see what fresh air and sunshine would do to it. Other than this one time, the poly has always been in. This is my 3rd tub and just seeing how it effects the tub. As temps have been rising in my area and its getting a little bit stuffy inside. I do run a fan inside but i just thought id take outside once. This morning i harvested about 150g wet and it looked real healthy. this evening i have taking another pic to show it now. It did dry it out within that hour yesterday, but gave it another misting.

And i just harvested another 200g wet and here it is now,
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: cigam]
#21767191 - 06/05/15 07:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why don't you dunk that for 8hrs instead of misting, see if that's beneficial
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21767977 - 06/05/15 10:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LeopardMan said:
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Kizzle said: I've actually been going the low light route recently since I noticed it delays spore production which gives more time for your mushroom to grow before you have to harvest them to prevent a mess from the spores. I have an unproven hunch that by allowing them more time to grow more actives may be able to accumulate. Unfortunately minor differences in potency is a hard thing to determine.
Interesting. What do you mean by "low light"?
No artificial light and not near a window but not complete darkness.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21768674 - 06/06/15 02:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've actually been going the low light route recently since I noticed it delays spore production which gives more time for your mushroom to grow before you have to harvest them to prevent a mess from the spores. I have an unproven hunch that by allowing them more time to grow more actives may be able to accumulate. Unfortunately minor differences in potency is a hard thing to determine.
i have long advocated and most will know,(its controversial to general consensus) that i believe when mushrooms grow up and receive a higher amount of lux they actually switch to spore related functions as the light is a trigger to let them know they have grown up enough to drop spores into available air currents in the wild. they still have this throwback mechanism!! i conceived an experiment using a band of light at a predetermined height to trigger the switch to spore release at any given height, effectively controlling the time and size of the final mushrooms. i still have to repeat this a few more times to be sure but so far the results are pretty convincing, and even with ms we control the masses and induce early maturation! we can force early maturation at any given height this way so only makes sense kizzle that low light you may be able to slow the switch and leave more time for growth and maybe more active accumulation.
many on here even TC s underestimate the power of light if it is harnessed correctly!! you have to understand the process as a whole to gain from its use.
for the average grower it makes hardly a difference and the point is moot.
but for a profectionist who wants full control and to fully understand all stimuli and have a correct balance on the whole... light is the last bastion and is often overlooked or discounted altogether.
it can be very rewarding if used in the way myc expects it and the way myc uses it in nature! to have all in balance makes the whole run smoother.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21770644 - 06/06/15 02:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i conceived an experiment using a band of light at a predetermined height to trigger the switch to spore release at any given height, effectively controlling the time and size of the final mushrooms.
You mean like this? 
 The mushrooms grow to a certain height and lift the lid letting in the light and increasing FAE.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21770690 - 06/06/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol thats 1 way 
heres a bit out of my journal that explains what did lol
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what i would like to see is if after the fruits are activly growing if we increase light intensity can we force the caps to open? thus proving my above thesis.
if this happens, i would guess it is light intensity raising that triggers the slow of upward growth in the mushrooms and switches function to open caps to sporelate.
it makes sense the mushroom would have evloved to be able to release its spore in the most convienent/successful way and mushrooms that did it this way would pass on their genes to do it. the mushroom would be using light intensity levels to tell it had grown up enough to sporeulate and light + gravity to make sure the cap faces correctly to aid in air currents spreading spores.
does this not go along way to explain- thinner longer shrooms in lower light(not reaching light trigger), caps opening prematurly in high light., mushrooms growing toward light and caps mostly always facing light source?
im not saying the mushrooms fully rely on light levels to tell them when to open caps but maybe if the mushrooms never reached the light levels required to trigger opening caps, when they reach the natural limit of upward growth they open caps and sporelate anyway even if they light levels are wrong just as a means of survival.
the benefits to be gained by finding out would be able to set the distance of light so that on average most shrooms will grow to a certain height range before recieving high lux levels and triggering the opening caps, grow to a certain density range of fruit(by controlling elongation of cells) and time lengh of fruiting process itself!! quite rewarding really, to dial in the fruiting process
and to test my theory about mushrooms using light intesity levels to know they have grown up enought above substrate and into available air currents to switch function from growing up to releasing spores we could-
use cfls to light from both sides(facing inward to the middle) of the fc creating a narrow band of higher intensity light than the rest of the tub that spreads in a line across the tub createing a light border.(what lux should this be? 500 lux?? ( this is using the cfls own natural drop off of intensity with distance so is cheap and easy to set up and test.) the hight of this 'band' can be altered. if the majority mushrooms grow up to this band then open caps at the set height it proves correlation. so if we can move the 'band' down and force earlier maturation or move up and stall it. this would prove we are forcing early maturation at our own will by controlling light intensity. proof enough even if MS is used with there greater variability, and it still holds true and we control the masses, it would only cement the proof of a strong causal link and would be more damning than using isolated strain  (gaining order out of a more dis-ordered starting situation)
but if an isolate is used and a control tub, we could test final weights of fruits with band of light at different heights to find a happy medium (to dial in) where we get good density,height ,potency and weight. to find the trade off point
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