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cigam



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Take your tub outside for sun and air ?
#21762402 - 06/04/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just wondering.Could it be beneficial or detrimental? I'm going to find out.
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mushpunx
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: cigam]
#21762544 - 06/04/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why do you leave your holes open without polyfill? Youll get all the FAE you need through the holes/poly and if you use proper lighting you should get all the light you need.
So I wouldnt bother bringing them outside 
Nice tub man
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Edited by mushpunx (06/04/15 05:50 PM)
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mushpunx]
#21762869 - 06/04/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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doesn't hurt. just don't let it dry out.
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LeopardMan
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: cigam]
#21765078 - 06/05/15 09:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It depends on a number of factors:- Temperature
- Exposure -direct sunlight is no good
- RH
- And last but not least: Safety - Are there animals around?
Sunlight is great for mushroom cultivation, but it's easier to put your tub near a window inside your house.
Oh and please stuff those holes with polifyl or you are going to ruin your flush.
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Kizzle
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766126 - 06/05/15 02:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A single exposure to direct sunlight for several minutes can be beneficial to getting a good pinset.
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mustangbob3
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766133 - 06/05/15 02:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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would you like to share any more info on that kizzle?
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Edited by mustangbob3 (06/05/15 02:27 PM)
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mush madness
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21766139 - 06/05/15 02:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mustangbob3 said:

would you like to share any more info on that kizzle?
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Kizzle
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mush madness]
#21766154 - 06/05/15 02:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
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mustangbob3
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766171 - 06/05/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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that was my instinct!
im a firm believer. when i colonise in light( i use sunlight from window) once the mycelium is 100% it knots up nicely before i even give it FAE leading to a smoother transition in to fruiting imo.
it sets up the tub like a ticking bomb and if you wait for 1 pin to emerge then give it fae it sets off the chain reaction leading to a faster pinset. and if you late case thinly 1/4 inch after giving FAE this secures lots of humidity at the surface and in the gaps of the casing ensuring the conditions to allow these knots to go on to form pins.
im a firm believer that the light can and does iniciates the knots.
Edited by mustangbob3 (06/05/15 02:44 PM)
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mush madness
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766175 - 06/05/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
Wonder how it would work with a case, would you give it sun beforehand?
I ask because I am working with PE right now and will be casing it
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mush madness]
#21766228 - 06/05/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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direct sunlight is fine as long as shit doesn't dry out.  holes in a mono need not be stuffed if it's being watched and doesn't dry out
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Kizzle
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: mush madness]
#21766318 - 06/05/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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mush madness said:
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Kizzle said: That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
Wonder how it would work with a case, would you give it sun beforehand?
I ask because I am working with PE right now and will be casing it
I'd wait until you see mycelium strands popping out. The pins usually form on the end of those when you're using a casing layer.
I know direct sunlight is not harmful to mushrooms, at least not directly. Like Bod said, drying is the main concern. Not sure about long-term exposure when there's exposed mycelium in uncased substrates since it's less protected from the UV light than fruit bodies.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766368 - 06/05/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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fruit bodies evolved to protect exposed mycelium from the sun hence pigmented caps. the most successful structures were the ones that eventually evolved spore forming structures and aided in great dispersal rather than done by fragmentation and animals.
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LeopardMan
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#21766417 - 06/05/15 03:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: A single exposure to direct sunlight for several minutes can be beneficial to getting a good pinset.
Hi Kizzle, I am sure you already know that direct sunlight is useful only if cakes are particularly stubborn and do not pin. That tub is already pinning and direct sunlight wont change a thing for him.
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bodhisatta said: direct sunlight is fine as long as shit doesn't dry out.  holes in a mono need not be stuffed if it's being watched and doesn't dry out
Direct sunlight will dry out a tray or a tub in a few hours, so no: direct sunlight is no good for mushroom cultivation except as a pinning trigger in some rare cases. People have been stuffing mono holes with polifyl for ages and there is a reason for that. It creates the perfect environment for the mushrooms to grow. Can you grow mushrooms in a mono without polifyl? Of course you can. I grew mushroom using milk and beer instead of water, but that's far from being ideal. Like I said before, don't try splitting hairs please. It's time consuming.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766462 - 06/05/15 03:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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seems like you're the only one concerned about time here, you simply don't have to post if you think it's not worth it.
you're not a deity your posts are worth being called out 
do you have direct experience with leaving tubs out in the sun? where cubes fruit all by themselves? I've put plenty of my grows outside for a few hours a day, you baby sit them. if you don't that's your fault. Where's your proof there's no benefit from direct sunlight? or that if there is it's only for cakes that are stubborn. that sounds pretty specific, like you pulled it out of say, your ass?
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LeopardMan
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: bodhisatta]
#21766501 - 06/05/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: seems like you're the only one concerned about time here, you simply don't have to post if you think it's not worth it.
you're not a deity your posts are worth being called out 
do you have direct experience with leaving tubs out in the sun? where cubes fruit all by themselves? I've put plenty of my grows outside for a few hours a day, you baby sit them. if you don't that's your fault. Where's your proof there's no benefit from direct sunlight? or that if there is it's only for cakes that are stubborn. that sounds pretty specific, like you pulled it out of say, your ass?
Like I told you in another thread:
Anything, rain, direct sunlight, hot temperatures, low RH, literally anything is "fine" for a few minutes or for an hour. That doesn't mean that it's ideal.
Any kind of light will be beneficial for mushrooms. Any. Direct sunlight, especially during summer, can dry the substrate out though, so it's far from being ideal. A simple fluorescent bulb is much better and more practical.
Also, did you notice that tag under my name? That tag is there to let people know that I am speaking from experience
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Kizzle
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766514 - 06/05/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi Kizzle, I am sure you already know that direct sunlight is useful only if cakes are particularly stubborn and do not pin. That tub is already pinning and direct sunlight wont change a thing for him.
But you never know. I'm not saying it's going to help an already pinning substrate in any way but he already said he intends to try it so I'll be taking this opportunity to watch to see, unless he changes his mind.
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mush madness
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766532 - 06/05/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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mush madness said:
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Kizzle said: That's mostly coming from RR. I did try it a few time though and got some very nice pinsets and the knots started forming almost immediately afterward.
Wonder how it would work with a case, would you give it sun beforehand?
I ask because I am working with PE right now and will be casing it
I'd wait until you see mycelium strands popping out. The pins usually form on the end of those when you're using a casing layer.
I know direct sunlight is not harmful to mushrooms, at least not directly. Like Bod said, drying is the main concern. Not sure about long-term exposure when there's exposed mycelium in uncased substrates since it's less protected from the UV light than fruit bodies.
Thanks for the advice, once I patch it and get a even growth I will give it a little sunshine. Wish I had a second tub going to see the difference
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LeopardMan
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: Kizzle]
#21766546 - 06/05/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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Hi Kizzle, I am sure you already know that direct sunlight is useful only if cakes are particularly stubborn and do not pin. That tub is already pinning and direct sunlight wont change a thing for him.
But you never know. I'm not saying it's going to help an already pinning substrate in any way but he already said he intends to try it so I'll be taking this opportunity to watch to see, unless he changes his mind.
I see where you are coming from, but I have to stress that direct sunlight on a already pinning sub won't change a thing. Light is light guys. Mushrooms do need light to grow nice and healthy (although they can grow in total darkness as well), but a fluorescent bulb involves way less risks while providing the same results.
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Re: Take your tub outside for sun and air ? [Re: LeopardMan]
#21766580 - 06/05/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've actually been going the low light route recently since I noticed it delays spore production which gives more time for your mushroom to grow before you have to harvest them to prevent a mess from the spores. I have an unproven hunch that by allowing them more time to grow more actives may be able to accumulate. Unfortunately minor differences in potency is a hard thing to determine.
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