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Invisibled0urd3n
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Which active Panaeolus species is this?
    #21762401 - 06/04/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I won't fill out the ID request format, since you guys who might be able to tell me the difference know what the basic Pan looks like.

My question is, is this P. cinctulus or P. bisporus. I imagine it is one of those two. Northern Idaho.

I have never found Panaeolus cinctulus on my lawn before, but I have found it a few hundred yards away.

I stumbled upon it today, and what has me curious about it is that it is two feet away from where I washed out a Panaeolus bisporus substrate tray to clean it. I never was able to get many fruits from that tray, so if it was bisporus I would like to keep that print, since my old print was extremely difficult to germinate, and I never fully got it clean.

Anyways I don't have a scope so I can't look at the basidia. I imagine this is the only true way to know, but the location just had me suspicious and I thought someone could tell if this is worth trying to get scoped.

Sorry for the rambling, thanks.











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Re: Which active Panaeolus species is this? [Re: d0urd3n]
    #21762430 - 06/04/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There is no way to know for sure which exact species it is without microscopy.


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Re: Which active Panaeolus species is this? [Re: MidnightCity]
    #21762440 - 06/04/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Very neat


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Invisibled0urd3n
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Re: Which active Panaeolus species is this? [Re: WhyDidiDoThis]
    #21762456 - 06/04/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Damn, I figured that. Thanks Midnight, appreciate it.


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Invisibled0urd3n
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Re: Which active Panaeolus species is this? [Re: d0urd3n]
    #22198946 - 09/06/15 07:29 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21976011#21976011

Here is some microscopy thanks to bodh.

I don't think bisporus anymore because of what it looks like on agar in comparison to bisporus. I have both on agar right now.

So now I think it is either Pan cinctulus or Pan olivaceous.

Any way to tell the difference via microscopy? Thanks.


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Re: Which active Panaeolus species is this? [Re: d0urd3n]
    #22199042 - 09/06/15 07:41 PM (8 years, 4 months ago)

I guess that olivaceous has roughened spores according to Workman. Thoughts? I can't really tell.




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Ieponumos said:
I just wanted to post a comparison of these specimens against a west coast cinctulus and olivaceus confirmation. Mind you this is the same camera and scope. Micrographs are the property of BlimeyGrimey


                    cinctulus                                      East coast olivaceus                        West coast olivaceus




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