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do you believe science?
    #21761768 - 06/04/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Would you believe in anything with enough evidence? If it was strongly suggested God was real (not saying that's the case), would you even consider it?


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #21761825 - 06/04/15 02:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Nope. Science just changes its mind too much. Is Pluto a planet or not? Are eggs good for you or not? Science be making stuff up like urry day.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: Matt87] * 3
    #21761843 - 06/04/15 02:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Science isn't changing its mind, people are changing their understanding.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 3
    #21761933 - 06/04/15 02:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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SeaShrooms said:
Would you believe in anything with enough evidence? If it was strongly suggested God was real (not saying that's the case), would you even consider it?




If there was evidence I would believe he exists, but I wouldn't worship the little asshole :lol:


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #21762398 - 06/04/15 05:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe science 100x more than I believe people.  People are so full of shit. 

The problem is that a major way of learning about science is by hearing it from people.  But there are certain things that can qualify something as a more credible source than another.  Like a recent book, report, or someone speaking on a subject they have a PhD in. 

If science started finding a compelling body of evidence that god exists then yes, I would believe it was the most likely case. 

I like how science changes what they think they know about things.  I mean, isn't it a bad sign when people make up their mind and won't budge no matter how much evidence goes against it?  It's such a common psychological flaw that it affects our sociology to the core.  So many problems could be fixed in the world if everyone were to just stop for a second and think "Is my firmly held conviction on _____ supported by evidence or reason?"


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: Hippocampus]
    #21762489 - 06/04/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

There's actually evidence that God exists, but these rich people did not like some of the things that he said, and they went about trying to kill him and all the people he brought with him. Those rich people were helped by people who were racist, anarchist, atheist, nihilist, and poor. I know all about it, and can talk to you about it too.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: BeyondScience] * 1
    #21762535 - 06/04/15 05:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:wonka:


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: SeaShrooms] * 1
    #21762616 - 06/04/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"Science isn't everything, but science is very beautiful." --Robert Oppenheimer


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #21763140 - 06/04/15 08:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I believe in science as it leads to knowledge. But I dont believe in scientists and culture.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21763216 - 06/04/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Science requires no belief.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21763451 - 06/04/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You would have to define strongly suggested, and no I wouldn't because something unprovable can never be suggested one way or the other, it's just unknowable.  I lean towards no god, I mean all the human religions are 100% bullshit if you have half a brain, at the same time i'm not arrogent enough to claim I know something about reality when my species and myself have only occupied .00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% (probably less then that) of the entire universe.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21764204 - 06/05/15 12:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

nah man, you're not that small compared to the universe.  Unless you're using some larger size for the universe than what we can observe. if the universe is a sphere with a radius of 9.5e15 m, then the volume is around 3.5e48m3.  And if your volume is around .0664m3 then your ratio is going to be somewhere around 1.75e-50 of the entire volume of the observable universe.  So that's like what you wrote but with only about 47 zeros in front.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21764463 - 06/05/15 03:04 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I thought about writing exactly that. But I am conflicted about that, the scientific theory does not require belief but I decide to write belief because in my daily life science is something I largely believe in, as most I know about science is largely secondhand information and nothing I personally experienced.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21764480 - 06/05/15 03:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You can believe or disbelieve a report, but science does not require belief which is why repeatability is one of its major tenets.

When you turn on your computer, is your mindset (or faith) related in any way to the functioning of the appliance?


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #21764672 - 06/05/15 06:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah thats stupid. Just because your assumptions work does not mean that they are right. I dont get how turning my computer on is related in any way to the scientific theory.

You need to make a distinction between the scientific theory, which does not require belief. And science as its role in our culture or the "institution" of science which requires lot of belief from an outsider.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: SeaShrooms]
    #21764688 - 06/05/15 06:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, follow evidence and logic wherever they lead.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21764906 - 06/05/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I dont get how turning my computer on is related in any way to the scientific theory.




Not surprising that you don't. Computers are based on quantum physics and the theory of electromagnetism and many other disciplines. As they would never have been conceived nor executed without such scientific theories, how could they possibly be unrelated? :flowstone:


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21765366 - 06/05/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Charlie Babbit invented a computer that didn't use quantum stuff or electromagnetism.


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: Sun King]
    #21765801 - 06/05/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:boobsmell:


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Re: do you believe science? [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 3
    #21766763 - 06/05/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Your straw mans are great. I never claimed that the scientific theory is wrong or that the computer could exist without science.

But to use a computer I dont need the scientific theory. And I dont need to understand it.


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