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:Update bottom of the thred: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot
#21761556 - 06/04/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok I thought this deserved it's own thread. Here is my variegated loph graft and it's the fastest growing one I have atm.
 I took this picture 2 days ago.
 I went to check on new growth today and this is what I saw. I took this pic this morning.
I don't think anything has happened to ut at all so no way for it to be bruised or anything like that.
Someone please chime in and help me I'm really scared this beautiful loph will die
Edited by spaceman101 (07/30/15 12:13 PM)
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21761569 - 06/04/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Man,I'm always wrong when it comes to anything to do with cacti,but that looks like a soft rot spot to me.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21761601 - 06/04/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I see a bad thing there. if it's rot, and it probably is, id act immediately.
I think of regrafting to bigger stock (like young trich or myrtillocactus) the upper part, and be sure to avoid that browining spot.
Also, i think that you may end up with a decent sized piece still attached to the peres, and it may pup again.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#21761606 - 06/04/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's what I was fearing. I've never seen it on a graft like this before though.
I'm hoping Mostly or karode will chime in and let me know what I need to do to fix this. I'm just scared I'll have to cut one of my trichs to graft this to. I love my uncut trichs.
Ok well so far I have taken it out of my humidity chamber because I thought the heat and humidity inside would cause the rot to spread faster.
The soil seems to be dry and I don't really know what my best option would be to keep him alive.
I do have a cuzco that I'm willing to cut. would this make an acceptable stock to keep this growing and I've never done a trich graft so is there anything I should know before I were to do it.
I know grafting to peres you need to work super fast so would it be best to slice the trich halfway then cut the scion and quickly finish the trich cut and very quickly place the scion on the trich as close to overlapping the rings as possible?
Also could I possibly use one of my young dragon fruit seedlings to graft to?
 here's what they look like atm and I could easily transplant one to it's own pot and bury it deeper down so it sticks straight up to hold the graft.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21762303 - 06/04/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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All i know, rot spreads fast. So do what you can, but do it quickly.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21762321 - 06/04/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm just waiting for someone I know that deals with grafts a lot to tell me how exactly they would handle this.
Thank you kosmo for your input. It means a lot to me for anyone to chime in on my threads no matter their experience with what I'm dealing with ATM
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21762563 - 06/04/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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it's up to you decide if this variegated is worth cutting a nice trich. I think that you Hylos anre not suited for this
when grafting, i do cut the stocks and then i leave an extra slice on the cut i will use, so the place stays perfectly moist and gooey till i have the cut scion ready to be put.
No big experience, but i heard that the superglue methods works well.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21762566 - 06/04/15 05:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well then, let me explain...ive done at least 100 successful grafts, and ive removed scions to root on their own. The only time a graft has failed for me was due to rot. If I had acted a day sooner, I might still have a favorite plant that died. By the time i acted, and turned it into a dozen grafts, it was too late, and one by one they failed.
Ive never had a normal graft fail....also all of my grafts have been mature specimens. I have never grafted a seedling. However, Ive got 9 bridgesii seedlings and 13 giant saguaro seedlings to experiment with. just waiting on all my graft stocks to root. Rooting two different opuntias, and a dozen small pedros, 3 bridgesii, and 8 pedro tip cuttings.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21762627 - 06/04/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude I'm really scared for this beautiful specimen. I guess I'll have to graft it to this cuzco I've got.

Any objections??
I'm really wanting to save this beautiful loph but without mostly, karode or ferrel giving me a word of advice I'm gonna be unsure of my method.
There's not much meat above the rotten area so would it be ok to cut at some sort of angle to save as much meat as possible? Or will just that small top area be enough to get it going? also should I cut the rot off leaving the bottom of the scion attached making it pup or will it even leave enough to pup from?
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21762650 - 06/04/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why would you graft such a small button to a hug stock like that?
I know you have some smaller Trichs,what about he ones I sent you?
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#21762900 - 06/04/15 07:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You need some of the vascular ring. At this point, you might have to take such a small slice, and its really very iffy. Cutting below the rot, should save the bottom piece. All the upwards pressure from the stock, should not allow the rot to spread down, until of course the entire inside melts and becomes hollow.
If it is early enough, you might save that bottom piece on the peres. I do not have much hope for the top portion.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#21763060 - 06/04/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21763069 - 06/04/15 08:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm about to use your Bridgesii that you sent as the stock I just got to get everything ready.
:EDIT: doesn't belong here. sorry
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21763235 - 06/04/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah,that Bridgesii will work well,as it's the perfect size.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#21763741 - 06/04/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok got it done and I'll post pics soon.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21764307 - 06/05/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok so here is what I ended up with when I was done. I know the pics aren't the best quality but my Canon was charging so all I had was my shitty phone. I'll take better ones tomorrow if anyone wants me to.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21764490 - 06/05/15 03:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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oh, it was a 5 ribbed bridgesii, what a shame!
Well, not a shame, if you did it to save a variegated loph.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: Lemnaminor]
#21764597 - 06/05/15 05:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish you the best, and hope you got to it soon enough
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21764859 - 06/05/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the "rot" saddens me. (sad face) 
I hope the new graft takes, and sets well. (crosses fingers). I have an nfz-puffer, that I sometimes use on rotted areas.. and sensative cuttings. It is Nitrofurazone, used surface cuts and ear infactions in cats and dogs, and works ok as a plant wound healer.. is a powder.
Warnings say it is carcongenic to some mammals (causes mammary tumors in rodents), but I have never used it on any product that I intend to ingest anyway. lol.
I just offer it up, because it is part of my Arsenal of things for my plants. You can try looking for nfz-puffer, at your local feedstore, vet-supply place. It MIGHT help.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: Lemnaminor]
#21764889 - 06/05/15 07:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: oh, it was a 5 ribbed bridgesii, what a shame!
Well, not a shame, if you did it to save a variegated loph.
What's special about a five ribbed Bridgesii?
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#21765215 - 06/05/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm about to get a 4 ribbed bridge whenever it gets large enough for a buddy of mine to cut it.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#21766295 - 06/05/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: oh, it was a 5 ribbed bridgesii, what a shame!
Well, not a shame, if you did it to save a variegated loph.
What's special about a five ribbed Bridgesii?
Nothing at all. I have about thirty seed grown bridgesii. All have varying amounts of ribs at varying stages of maturity. I've seen merchants who will use the amount of ribs as a selling point in order to overprice a cactus and sell it to suckers who believe that a fewer amount of ribs indicates that the plant has a higher amount of alkaloids. There's no scientific basis behind it. Just schlockmeisters selling snake oil.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: prismism]
#21766352 - 06/05/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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To add on that...a lot of people just consider them "special" only because they can be rarer & harder to come by.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: 1234go]
#21766430 - 06/05/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lets bring this back to healing Spaceman's yote. Positive vibes
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21766512 - 06/05/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no reason that what is left on the peres won't pup again. I'm confident for this yote
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: Argyreia]
#21766609 - 06/05/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks guys and prism I cut off a large enough piece to root so I'll still have the 5 ribed Bridge when it callouses
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21767690 - 06/05/15 09:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yo spray that rot down with some clove oil water it should promptly stop spreading
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: 1234go]
#21767778 - 06/05/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lemnaminor said: oh, it was a 5 ribbed bridgesii, what a shame!
Well, not a shame, if you did it to save a variegated loph.
What's special about a five ribbed Bridgesii?
Nothing at all. I have about thirty seed grown bridgesii. All have varying amounts of ribs at varying stages of maturity. I've seen merchants who will use the amount of ribs as a selling point in order to overprice a cactus and sell it to suckers who believe that a fewer amount of ribs indicates that the plant has a higher amount of alkaloids. There's no scientific basis behind it. Just schlockmeisters selling snake oil.
I see,thanks
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kactus.brand.g]
#21769078 - 06/06/15 06:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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New pics? See how they are doing...I hope that I convinced you to act fast enough. I didnt want to see you suffer and hurt the way I do for the plant that rotted on me. I was able to save lots of genetic material, and a few rooted pieces, but the main root and stems died.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21783535 - 06/09/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I plan to upgrade this thread with some pics tonight.
All the rot seems to be gone and I have a stump on the peres that looks good and swollen so I'm hoping for a pup at some point. Also the graft seems to have connected but I don't know if it has completely taken yet or if it even will. The scion has not shriveled any at this point though
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21784502 - 06/09/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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they can take days to weeks to show growth. remember, it was a sick plant, and still has to regenerate cell structure and growth patterns
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#21784593 - 06/09/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank you kosmo for your help
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#21784813 - 06/09/15 06:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#22004056 - 07/27/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey guys I just wanted to let everyone know that has been following me with my issues of rot "especially with my variegated grafts" that I have seemed to save each one
One of my Wooly loph grafts have successfully taken to my Bridge rootstock and my fully variegated Loph that I had to cut down nearly to the base is pupping. Also the original Yellow loph that I had to cut down is pupping like crazy but it only had 1 areole to pup from and it was basically the only non variegated area on the loph so the pups are normal. I have a pic of that one now but I'll post a pic of the others when I get back today
 Here's the last one I was talking about and this is an older pic so I'll update it later to show you haw large they've gotten
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#22004062 - 07/27/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nice work. Im glad we could help.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#22004717 - 07/27/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Good job man!
By the way, i read a bit of the discussion, and i want to make clear that i don't belive in folklore of 4/5 ribbed bridgesii to be more potent. i just like how they look. My personal opinion is that 5 rib ones are the best looking bridgesii, and i seek for getting a 4 ribbed one. The rarer the better.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#22004811 - 07/27/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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spaceman101 said: Hey guys I just wanted to let everyone know that has been following me with my issues of rot "especially with my variegated grafts" that I have seemed to save each one
One of my Wooly loph grafts have successfully taken to my Bridge rootstock and my fully variegated Loph that I had to cut down nearly to the base is pupping. Also the original Yellow loph that I had to cut down is pupping like crazy but it only had 1 areole to pup from and it was basically the only non variegated area on the loph so the pups are normal. I have a pic of that one now but I'll post a pic of the others when I get back today
 Here's the last one I was talking about and this is an older pic so I'll update it later to show you haw large they've gotten
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Looks good spaceman. Glad you could save it. It's always hard to lose cacti to rot. You always blame yourself and wonder if you could have done anything different. At least is they case with me. I'm very hard on myself. This year I lost my loph crest. It was a terrible loss.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: ferrel_human]
#22005121 - 07/27/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Woot! Good to hear that news!  
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: cowsRmeat]
#22005244 - 07/27/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just a note, even though that areole that is pupping is not showing variegation, you still have a great chance for that yote to variegate again. The phenotype for that behavior is within the genetic makeup of every cell in that specimen.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: LSoares]
#22019578 - 07/30/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Also here is my strange variegate Loph that I've been grafting pups from recently. It just started spitting out a ton of weird looking pups here lately. It also caught a lil case of the rot awhile back but I kept him dry, warm and it seemed to dry up and stopped spreading
I'll update the wolly loph when I go out and snap a pic.
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Here's my Extra Wooly Loph Pup Graft I promised earlier to post a pic of.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#22019862 - 07/30/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Nice
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: kosmokratorshaman]
#22021482 - 07/30/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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That yellow cancer sucks. Keep a super close eye on it man because before you know it you will lose it all
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: ferrel_human]
#22021565 - 07/30/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
ferrel_human said: That yellow cancer sucks. Keep a super close eye on it man because before you know it you will lose it all
What you talkin bout ferrel?
Fill me in so I'll know what to watch for.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#22022718 - 07/31/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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 Here's a new pic I snapped today of the Wooly Loph Pup Graft I was forced to take when I got that a bad case of rot.
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Re: Variegated yote graft with what seems like the beginning stages of rot [Re: spaceman101]
#22023169 - 07/31/15 06:08 AM (8 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very impressive I'm just finally starting to understand cacti, it's a cool focus no doubt. I gotta get me some lophs now that I know what's up. haven't attempted a graft yet though
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