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is it so hard to know?
    #21761483 - 06/04/15 02:31 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

grasp not, cling not; and you will see the infinite.

is it so hard to know?

that you have been here forever, and will forever remain?

for billions of years, you were a particle of light, now we are human,

what will we know tomorrow?

anyway, do not grieve;


trade it all for peace, for then you will have it, for good.


waste not, and we will know peace.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21761564 - 06/04/15 02:53 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Microbubbles are so small, they can either penetrate pores and clean your skin and leave it soft, or result in a brain embolism if you stay in the tub too long.

The choice is yours.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21761575 - 06/04/15 02:55 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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grasp not, cling not; and you will see the infinite.



Disregarding the meaninglessness of 'The Infinite', is this something you are claiming to have witnessed?

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for billions of years, you were a particle of light, now we are human,



There was no you or me until a few decades ago. Humans have never been a photon. Perhaps you will share the physics behind your statement.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #21761586 - 06/04/15 02:58 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

With practice, you too can make water animals. Here is a butterfly I created with intense concentration.



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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21761604 - 06/04/15 03:00 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

what we are is interesting. . . it's definitely energy

it's definitely light.

neither light nor energy can ever be destroyed, or harmed, only transformed.

what we were was either energy or light, you pick - or something else?

was it formless? 

anyway - something cannot be created from nothing -


although it may be being and non being are two sides of one coin, if visions of that kind of thing are accurate.


these wisdom traditions, dating back thousands of years, all seem to say life and death are one; I know, or think I know, you don't value aboriginee wisdom as much as modern western wisdom; yet that is what they say.



yes, I have seen the infinite more and more lately.  it is quite beautiful and has unlimited facets; it is simply, infinite space and peace.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21761618 - 06/04/15 03:02 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

just asking some questions :smile:


would be interested to know what you think, because, when i made the change from atheist to agnostic to pantheist etc., to what i am now, it was not by rejecting any of my previous understandings about logic and so forth.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21761647 - 06/04/15 03:08 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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what we were was either energy or light



Light is a form of energy. So what? If I shine a flashlight a human being will form? That would be a neat trick.

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something cannot be created from nothing



This seems to be yet another baseless assertion in a long line of assertions. Should we all just make shit up and claim it as factual? Is that how you think this forum works?

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yes, I have seen the infinite more and more lately



Wow! We have so many special people here with cool powers and stuff. Did you know that the three Shroomery suicides in 15 years here ALL claimed direct mystical contact with God/The Cosmos and so on?

Something to ponder.



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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21761653 - 06/04/15 03:10 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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it was not by rejecting any of my previous understandings about logic and so forth.




Judging by the number of fallacies and logical errors already demonstrated in a single thread...


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21761656 - 06/04/15 03:11 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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neither light nor energy can ever be destroyed, or harmed, only transformed.





Relevance? Did you know that I = E/R?


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21763100 - 06/04/15 10:14 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

To know is the hardest thing a human can do. We are good at believing, and good at being ignorant of the doubt. But knowing and still doubting is hard.

I am actually quite recent, the I I know is only the I experiencing right know. Before and beyond that there are only guesses and the mystery. I like me, and even if I will remain in this universe after my death, I will be sad because leaving something behind is allways a sad thing even if within this act there is the promise for new things. The passing moment is sad and happy at the same time.

Quite absurd.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21763132 - 06/04/15 10:21 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

It has relevance as you can try to deduct rules of the universe from other known rules. If you think of consciousness /soul as a natural law/inherent to the universe, the fact that energy cant be destroyed shows the possibility of a immortal consciousness/soul.

Not that I claim that as the truth, but you sometimes seem as someone that is a bit to shure on how to interpret things :wink:


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21763196 - 06/04/15 10:35 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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If you think of consciousness /soul as a natural law/inherent to the universe, the fact that energy cant be destroyed shows the possibility of a immortal consciousness/soul.




No, it does not. The definition of energy as used in physics has absolutely nothing to do with any sort of spiritual or life energy. This sort of lame commingling is common among New Agers and non-thinkers.

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Not that I claim that as the truth, but you sometimes seem as someone that is a bit to shure {sic} on how to interpret things :wink:



My apologies for being college educated and understanding how to apply logic.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21763327 - 06/04/15 10:59 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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My apologies for being college educated and understanding how to apply logic.




Were you the guy outbidding me on ebay? Those could've been my characteristics!  :nomoreinternet:


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: Khancious]
    #21763937 - 06/05/15 01:23 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I can't believe you were also bidding on Amy Winehouse's panties.

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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21764411 - 06/05/15 04:29 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I am not talking about any life energy.
So could you explain to me why it should be impossible that consciousness is a universal rule just like the laws of physics?

I also would like to learn how you apply logic on topics without data? What wondrous kind if college teaches that?


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21764465 - 06/05/15 05:07 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

First you explain your nonsensical and unfounded claim about how the Laws of Thermodynamics apply to immortality and consciousness.

That is how proper debate works.


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    #21764663 - 06/05/15 07:55 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

I claim nothing. I raise the possibility.

Its not hard: There are laws if physics.
There is consciousness.
We dont know where consciousness comes from.
MAYBE consciousness is inherent to the universe, just like the laws of physics.
IF consciousness is inherent to the universe like laws of physics, it COULD behave like other natural phenomenons.

Under these ASSUMPTIONS, which in my opinion are POSSIBLE you can play with the idea of immortality without breaking any known basic priciple or scientific knowledge.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21765043 - 06/05/15 10:52 AM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: is it so hard to know? (moved) [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21766111 - 06/05/15 04:18 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

This thread was moved from Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology.

Reason:
Your poetics are better suited for S&M, as it's not discourse which concerns philosophy, psychology, or sociology.


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Re: is it so hard to know? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #21766747 - 06/05/15 07:00 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

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