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Albino Golden Teacher? 1
#21761473 - 06/04/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a bulk tub going of golden teacher while the flush is not too impressive quantity wise there are a few of what appear to be albino mushrooms popping up here's a pic of the biggest one. Has anyone ever encountered this before? Do you know what would cause this?

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Yes. If it has white spores it's albino. Kinda doubt it is though. Probably just leucistic. That's white with black spores.
Here's a leucistic golden teacher I had a few years ago:
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#21761592 - 06/04/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Looks leucistic to me. Clone and stabilize that fucker
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: NumeroEno]
#21761637 - 06/04/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: Looks leucistic to me. Clone and stabilize that fucker 
exactly what I was thinking, and nice phish references sir, Will you be on tour this summer? magnaball awaits!
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Nah I won't be touring. The only shows I'll be able to make it to is the 3 night run at Dick's in Denver.
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I had one of those come up on the last flush I had of a cake. Think it was GT too actually. Been years since I grew, can't remember.
Perhaps mine had more to do with lack of nutrients though, as a bunch of weird ones came up on that last flush.

Btw Numero, I had never heard a Phish song until DSO covered one at the Jubilee this year. I had always heard they sucked but I enjoyed what I heard, it was actually the same song you have quoted.
"from the land of the Big Baboon", I was frying at the time and started dying laughing when I heard that.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#21761746 - 06/04/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's one of my favorite songs by far. IMO the only people that talk shit about phish are the ones that haven't listened to them enough. I've surprised quite a few of my skeptical friends by how much they rock. They're so talented and so tight. Back in the early 2000s when Trey was all fucked up it was a different story, but now that he's clean they just crush it.
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totally crush it
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Clone it, isolate, fruit each isolate out and then take prints from any fruits that come out abino, or just from the best ones. Then do MS grows with those spores and clone and isolate all over again. If you get lucky and do it right, after 6 or 7 generations you might be able to stabilize a new albino or leucistic strain.
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I know this thread is a bit old but I just had the same thing happen. Two brf cakes now fruiting a multispore GT have normal brown headed pins but also a cluster of white ones, and a few individual white ones.

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cool, watch out for any that have what appears to be black prints, i would clone and print those as well as the white ones
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: cronicr]
#22572250 - 11/25/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is only my second time growing and the last time was 19 years ago but I've never had anything like this happen before. I understand that when you use a multispore syringe you get mixed genetics and variations in the mushrooms and somehow I just hit the genetic lottery and ended up with white GT shrooms and obviously it's happened before with this strain. At this point I don't know if they're albino or just white but it sure is neat and i plan to clone it and do a grow exclusively from the clones and that will get me identical and all-white shrooms but I'm interested to know how one would go about selection where you could get all white shrooms from their prints or if that's even possible. Anyway, here they are this morning and as you can see, I think i have the same thing that the OP had. They are definitely white.

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MycodelicManiac said: This is only my second time growing and the last time was 19 years ago

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MycodelicManiac said: but I've never had anything like this happen before. I understand that when you use a multispore syringe you get mixed genetics and variations in the mushrooms and somehow I just hit the genetic lottery and ended up with white GT shrooms and obviously it's happened before with this strain. At this point I don't know if they're albino or just white but it sure is neat and i plan to clone it and do a grow exclusively from the clones and that will get me identical and all-white shrooms but I'm interested to know how one would go about selection where you could get all white shrooms from their prints or if that's even possible. Anyway, here they are this morning and as you can see, I think i have the same thing that the OP had. They are definitely white.
Mixed spores in the same syringe is definitely possible. I would take a clone of those little pins, make sure to get clean growth on agar, then grow it out and take a print of one of the fruits. Then when you go to use the spores, the resulting mushrooms should all have the same phenotype.
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You want to isolate sectors after you clone to get a pure culture.
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You may have mostly albino/white genetics in those mushrooms mixed with a little bit of pigmented genetics.
When you clone them, be sure to save the initial clone plate in the fridge. You may grow it out to find you took the wrong sector and get all normal pigmented fruits.
Print them as well. I would consider that a second option to cloning the fruits. The albinos I'm trying to isolate are mostly sterile. Be aware they may have clear spores if they are true albinos.
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I would like to know if the OP's white shrooms had normal or clear spores. anyway thanks for all the suggestions I'll definitely do that. I've cloned lots of different mushrooms on agar it should be pretty easy.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22573337 - 11/25/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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36fuckin5 said: You want to isolate sectors after you clone to get a pure culture.
Wouldn't it already be just one genotype when you clone it? one dikaryotic strain? it was my understanding that if I clone it, i will get nothing but the same exact genetics when i grow it out and fruit it.
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The mushroom can be composed of more than one strain. I had some interesting mixed albino/pidgmented fruits.

That one is mostly pigmented with a bit of albino (only photo I have) but probably only one sector from a clone of that fruit would be albino. A fruit could look almost entirely albino, but still have a bit of pigmented genetics in it, and then if you toss the initial clone plate and keep only one sector, you could lose it.
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yep fruits can be made up of more then one strain
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: cronicr]
#22573508 - 11/25/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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cronicr said: yep fruits can be made up of more then one strain
And almost always are.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22583541 - 11/27/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Now i'm completely lost and none of that made any sense to me. oh well. Anyway, most of the grow was perfectly normal typical golden brown but every one of them is barren. no spores at all. Got decent prints off the white ones though but i don't think I'm even going to keep growing cubes because I just ate gobs of them this morning fresh including the white ones and they didn't do a damn thing for me. I think I'll probably just ditch the whole project and just stick to picking azzies on the coast once a year because cubes aren't doing jack for me and they never have. I thought if i grew some and ate gobs of them fresh that they might work but no. A big joke again.
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How much were these gobs?
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Chakatron]
#22583660 - 11/27/15 06:53 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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Heck, i don't know but it was a lot. didn't do jack. After an hour i started to feel something but nothing ever became of it.
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Grow some Pans.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22584428 - 11/27/15 10:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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I can show you I guess. add all these photos together in one big pile and that's what I ate. ALL OF THEM. On an empty stomach. I've eaten 15-20 tiny little liberty caps and had a nice time. I mean. barely a mouth full. Also went to Astoria and picked azzies and just about saw "god" on just a mouth full; about 6-7 decent sized ones. This huge pile of cubes did nothing, just like every other time I've tried cubes. Last time I remember doing cubes I ate 14 grams dry (soaked in hot water first) and nothing happened. I thought maybe if I eat a huge pile fresh; something I had never done before; it would work. Still nothing. They're a joke.
I started with all these.

After 45 minutes and feeling nothing, I ate these too.

Then for good measure i ate all these stupid white ones on top of it.

Thought I started to feel something but then nothing ever happened. I guess cubes are just never going to work for me. I have NEVER got off on them and if that pile of fresh ones won't do it then they never will. 
I don't understand it. It's not like i have to take huge doses of any other species but that just seems like a lot of cubes to me for almost no effect.
Anyway, my disappointment is off topic. Back to the white ones... i can't explain why a syringe from a commercial source that is supposed to be GT would produce tiny white ones like that. I also can't explain why those white ones are the only ones that produced spores and all the other normal gold/brown ones were barren as can be; no spores at all.
I think it's all coming back to me why I only grew them once 19 years ago then quit and it's because they're freaking worthless.
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Quite the whine lol. Just don't grow them anymore. Tho cubes can be hella strong too. Sometimes you just get a weak batch. Can't say its happened to me.. Maybe try pe?
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#22591588 - 11/29/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's what I keep hearing but they have yet to work for me no matter what the variety or amount. It's the weirdest thing. I'm immune to them. cubes have never worked for me and they didn't work this time either. I have yet to have any that worked.
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I've had weaker and stronger.
For one thing, your cubes look wet. If they're waterlogged, chances are they will dry to considerably less than 10% mass (happened to me, like 7%.) IMO, weigh them and use them dry if you want to dose as accurately as you can with MS. With hollow stems it's conceivable that could have been under an 8th.
Taking them sequentially isn't a great idea from what I've read. Tolerance builds up fast. Drinking lots of water and/or eating food dilutes stomach acid, and slows it down. I'd get aerobically active, they hit like a truck when you do that.
It's all the same actives (at least mostly.) Are you on SSRI or something that might be creating weird tolerance?
If you aren't on anything, down a few grams of syrian rue next time. I'm sure you'll get your ass handed to you. Maybe you got some weaksauce genetics too, who knows.
And the white ones, because "life finds a way."
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No guys, I'm not on any medications and other species like azzies and libs work just fine. It was also a heck of a lot more than an eighth that I ate.
Anyway it turns out that the few white ones in this crop were the only ones that produced any spores. All the normal looking ones were sterile.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22619002 - 12/05/15 09:39 PM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: yep fruits can be made up of more then one strain
And almost always are.
what does that say about cloning fruits? if u clone a fruit should you still try to isolate the myc that grows from it?
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You dont' have to, just make sure it's clean
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DaveyJones6911 said: what does that say about cloning fruits? if u clone a fruit should you still try to isolate the myc that grows from it?
I do, for consistency.
Others say they get better flushes using an entire clone. I would disagree, but I can't completely discount them as it would depend on the exact genetics they got from their clone vs mine.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#22682843 - 12/21/15 11:32 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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Some pics of the finished mushrooms. I have another cake that was birthed on Dec 13 and it pinned 3 days ago and it also has a cluster of white ones. For some reason the white ones finish a lit faster; 48-72 hrs from pinning they're open, leaving normals that started at the same time, in the dust. Oh, and for some reason, after drying I've had just 2 grams work very well. Same mushrooms didn't work at all when I ate piles of them fresh but worked just fine eating a fraction of that dried in a tea with lemon. Very weird. I tried cloning the first white ones I got a couple of weeks ago but it didn't work. (i have done it before and cloned lots of different species so I don't know why it didn't work it just didn't do anything)


3 days ago the brown pins and the white pins were the same size! now look how much faster the white ones finished:
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: cronicr]
#22682870 - 12/21/15 11:42 AM (8 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: cool, watch out for any that have what appears to be black prints, i would clone and print those as well as the white ones
The white ones were the ONLY ones that produced any spores at all and they are normal colored spores. I have given out 3 prints and I also have one on a wire above a shot glass w/10ml of sterile water to make a syringe. I'll try using that to inoc new jars and see what happens when they fruit.
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Another clump of white ones this morning are ready. They're hollow and not dense at all but I think they're beautiful.
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Damn those are some good looking fruits I'd love to have a flush full of those
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Jeffedelic]
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Yeah they look cool but very thin walled hollow stems and no density to them at all.
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You could try to breed later for thicker stems. I'm sure the spores have the genetics in there somewhere.
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MycodelicManiac said: Another clump of white ones this morning are ready. They're hollow and not dense at all but I think they're beautiful.

Indeed they are, The hollow stems are just from genetics(most likely), Bet they're hella potent tho.
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Well, I have noticed that the mushrooms which go from pins to open in just 48 hrs tend to have no density to them and the ones that take their sweet time tend to be very dense. I have another white one here now that came after the main flush and not only is it whiter with no yellowing at all, it's also semi-translucent and taking forever to grow but I bet it will be more solid. Anyway I still don't know if I even actually got GT like I was supposed to but they sure look a lot like albino A plus so it's still a mystery as to whether these are just a contamination by albino A+ (which, like these, isn't a true albino)or if they are leucistic GT's or something else entirely. As far as potency goes they aren't anything to rave about they just get some mild bluing nothing really intense.
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I'd definitely take a clone of that.
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I had these GTs before... It was just dry.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: taGyo]
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Bruising doesn't equate to potency.
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I had a few friends that believed this. They saw my mushrooms and were like no blue, they are weak.
I took a handful of fresh ones and squeezed the shit out of them....30 seconds later I told them to eat the magically more potent mushrooms, which were now so blue they looked black.
Bruising has nothing to do with potency. Fruits that do not bruise can still pack a punch.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: PussyFart]
#22794935 - 01/18/16 02:34 PM (8 years, 13 days ago) |
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No, seriously they were weak as hell, no density, small, hollow and full of water. I'm not going to mess with them I've weeded them out of my cultures and isolated these bad boys.
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I completely forgot I took spores from a white one and made a syringe then used it on a half-pint cake. It's pinning now and the pins are all-white. Looks like there's really no need to clone them since they're spores produce the same white mushrooms. I guess I still don't fully understand mushroom reproduction because I'm constantly being told that spores will produce a lot of variation (and the first grow from the commercial syringe certainly did) but these don't obviously. They look just like the mushroom that produced the spores so far. Every single pin is white.
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cronicr said: cool, watch out for any that have what appears to be black prints, i would clone and print those as well as the white ones
The white ones were the ONLY ones that produced any spores at all and they are normal colored spores. I have given out 3 prints and I also have one on a wire above a shot glass w/10ml of sterile water to make a syringe. I'll try using that to inoc new jars and see what happens when they fruit.
And... what happens when i print a leucistic and grow the spores is, they ALL come out leucistic. Everyone keeps saying that's impossible but that's what happens.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: PussyFart]
#23693910 - 09/30/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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MycodelicManiac said: No, seriously they were weak as hell, no density, small, hollow and full of water. I'm not going to mess with them I've weeded them out of my cultures and isolated these bad boys. 
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MycodelicManiac said: No, seriously they were weak as hell, no density, small, hollow and full of water. I'm not going to mess with them I've weeded them out of my cultures and isolated these bad boys. 
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MycodelicManiac said: As far as potency goes they aren't anything to rave about they just get some mild bluing nothing really intense.
I had a few friends that believed this. They saw my mushrooms and were like no blue, they are weak.
I took a handful of fresh ones and squeezed the shit out of them....30 seconds later I told them to eat the magically more potent mushrooms, which were now so blue they looked black.
Bruising has nothing to do with potency. Fruits that do not bruise can still pack a punch.
Well the second sentence I agree with but my most potent strains also happen to be the ones that blue most intensely and quickly and it's always been like that. I get what you're saying and I know that but you sure as hell don't get intense bluing from weak ass shrooms. The intense bluing is relative to the potency I don't give a damn what anybody says to the contrary. I get that when they aren't manhandled they can be potent with no bruising but they won't bruise intensely if they are weak and these leucistics just don't even when manhandled.
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Love your White GT! I have a foaf who was working on something like this in 2006 after taking a clone from the stem flesh of this that popped up off the side of a cake one day

It was then grown out in standard BRF cakes and gave an amazing first flush of small but standard looking GT

Stayed much the same until the forth flush when this popped up...


They were super amazing looking with cute little pointy white rimmed caps. I took prints from all of these caps and gave them to others keen to try and get it stable. I then took a 10ish year brake due to a change in living situations but just recently back and very excited to see your results! Well done!
At the time I suspected it was genetics but it was mentioned early in this thread maybe it was nutrients as the defect only showed in the last flush when things would have been running out... From what I can find from those I sent prints no one else had it show again and sadly the clones were lost when I gave up...
I would be more than happy to lend a hand trying to get your stable if your looking for more to help the cause.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: capmuncher]
#23776313 - 10/27/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm beginning to think some of these people don't know what the hell they're talking about. I have been growing a normally pigmented isolate for a year now and finally decided to go for a ms just for the heck of it and low and behold I got white ones mixed in again. Printed one of the white ones and the prints ALWAYS grow all-white mushrooms. Then I tissue cloned one of them also, did not do anything else except let it grow out on the agar, put a piece of the agar on barley spawned to hpoo/coir/lime and viola, they all look exactly the same. What is this hot air about sectoring and stabilizing, "for consistency" and all that? didn't need to do any of that and I didn't because I suspected it was just hot air and sure enough. Quote:
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I would be more than happy to lend a hand trying to get your stable if your looking for more to help the cause.
No thanks, none needed. IDK what you mean by 'stabilized' , How much more stable do you need? the white mush prints ALWAYS grow exactly the same- white mushrooms. The tissue clone grew exactly what I thought it would; they all look just like the mushroom I cloned which is exactly what I expected. what I did not expect is this tub to fruit in the 3 days I wasn't home which is why fae was neglected.
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You do realize that just because it happened once, it won't happen every time? I really do hope it does keep happening the same way though. Good shit there . Not sure why you led with people don't know what they're talking about tho.
When talking genetics, mutations aren't always just going to be stable af right off the bat. Hell pasty's RW has had 4 generations now in the search of stability. Genetics and mutated alleles are much more complicated than that.
Now the cloning part, cloning obviously won't always have the desired effects, and isolating genetics of a desired clone actually could hinder the performance, since your fruited mushroom could have done so well due to the other genetics all playing a role.
As for your bruises a ton and is weak af... I've had more mushrooms that bruised and sucked than a I have had mushrooms that didn't bruise and suck... Just saying
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#23776665 - 10/27/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Luecism will indeed be easily stabilized however a true albino will need work.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#23782375 - 10/29/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: You do realize that just because it happened once, it won't happen every time? I really do hope it does keep happening the same way though. Good shit there . Not sure why you led with people don't know what they're talking about tho.
When talking genetics, mutations aren't always just going to be stable af right off the bat. Hell pasty's RW has had 4 generations now in the search of stability. Genetics and mutated alleles are much more complicated than that.
Now the cloning part, cloning obviously won't always have the desired effects, and isolating genetics of a desired clone actually could hinder the performance, since your fruited mushroom could have done so well due to the other genetics all playing a role.
As for your bruises a ton and is weak af... I've had more mushrooms that bruised and sucked than a I have had mushrooms that didn't bruise and suck... Just saying 
But it does happen every time, and I've even done spores from them 2 generations and they STAY white. Isolating has NEVER hindered anything I've isolated. Every single GT isolate I've ever had vastly outperformed multispore. What always happens is exactly the opposite of what you say- when isolated they blow ms away. Just look at this comparison. One side of the tub is an isolate. the other ms. If you're not sure why I would say these guys don't know what the hell they're talking about then you haven't been following apparently. Now take a wild guess which side of this tub is an isolate and which side is ms. The big white one on the right side is what I cloned for the all-white grow. The left is the isolate I've been growing over and over for about a year now using an agar plate as a master.
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Now, see what happens when the white one is cloned and grown by itself. BIG difference. Same results I get if I isolate any from the rest; epic flushes every time and way higher yield than ms. About 1.7 dry oz per quart of spawn on the first flush. I get about only 1 oz w/ multispore.
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This cloned batch did get some intense bluing. check it out
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These are all MS, obviously there's shit ones too like:
  
Top one is a clone from the first PE tub. Didn't do as well, bottom one is one that didn't do as well from a different clone not on this:

Here's an Orissa India isolated clone that did way better than its parent:
 
Realistically it's all a crapshoot when talking genetics. Lookup pasty's genetics work, some of it is so crazy, and always a new surprise
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: cronicr]
#23860653 - 11/23/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I understand all that but that is not the case here. The spores from mine grow nothing but leucistic and so did the clone. There is no pigment whatsoever in any part of the fruits except for the spores. Here is the result of tissue cloning one and growing it out on grain then spawned to coir/manure/gypsum bulk sub. 'nuff said.
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Why you replying to me vlad I already said it would be easily done
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#24007479 - 01/13/17 03:05 PM (7 years, 17 days ago) |
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Mad Season said: You do realize that just because it happened once, it won't happen every time?
Sure I realize that, but it happens every time anyway in my case.
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For this one set of genetics the alleles are getting passed on and stabilized. That is good, I'm glad, and happy you got it so easily. I said that because you said people have no idea what they're talking about, and I explained to you that you aren't going to get stable mutations/stablized traits right off the bat every time.
So just because it happened right off the bat with these genetics doesn't mean it'll happen to every set of desired traits you're attempting to isolate. Sometimes it feels almost impossible to get the traits to stabilize
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#24007888 - 01/13/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Pretty sure Pasty saw fucked up genes on the 4th generation of RW, so 2 generations doesn't really mean anything to me. Most people will say you need to go at least 5 generations for proper stabilization.
Edited by Munchauzen (01/13/17 05:54 PM)
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Munchauzen]
#24007913 - 01/13/17 05:57 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Exactly
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: cronicr]
#24007932 - 01/13/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Although to be fair, this is just a pigment alteration and not even a true albino, something that shouldn't be that unstable. Even if it is 5+ generations, there's still the chance you'll get the other phenotypes as well, just like how I'd imagine his GT was definitely at least 5+ stable generations of golden caps, and the it suddenly switched, it's not like it's that unlikely it can reverse.
Now attempt to isolate a PE phenotype from GT, or a true albino.. Then you'll be a hero xD
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#24007958 - 01/13/17 06:24 PM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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From what i gather myco originally got his gt from whores101...enough said lol...thats why i stopped trading people.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
#24008960 - 01/14/17 06:23 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Mad Season said: Now attempt to isolate a PE phenotype from GT.. Then you'll be a hero xD
working on it! 
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: cronicr]
#24009062 - 01/14/17 07:43 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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cronicr said: From what i gather myco originally got his gt from whores101...enough said lol...thats why i stopped trading people.
Cron..To be fair to the whores...its not all bad. Some of us, like me went that route because of the border, new to Shroomery, etc. The fuckin Captain had the best genetics yet. There you go. The genetics I have gotten have been working just fine. Would not have been my first choice, but it has a place.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Munchauzen]
#24009065 - 01/14/17 07:45 AM (7 years, 16 days ago) |
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Mad Season said: Now attempt to isolate a PE phenotype from GT.. Then you'll be a hero xD
working on it!  
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Toe_Jam]
#25894432 - 03/24/19 04:41 PM (4 years, 10 months ago) |
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I worked for the jubilee last year. I love that place.
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Check this out...
This is a GT colony that has done this on its own. Does anyone know what I am really looking at? It does not seem to be a common occurrence. True albinos???
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: BacchuV]
#27737413 - 04/16/22 02:23 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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clone those asap. Get in touch with the TAT guys. you might have a gem there.
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This is my third stab at amateur mycology. Unfortunately I don't know what TAT is. I've got no plugs into any of the local community. How could this have happened? They are from the same liquid syringe.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: BacchuV]
#27737528 - 04/16/22 04:20 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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TAT=True Albino Teacher
It's neat, right? Like human twins when they have remarkable physical differences.
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: bridge2far]
#27740539 - 04/18/22 04:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I think I was able to confirm that this actually is a TAT (thanks for that). Another user suggested I let one spore to see if they were black or colorless. Makes sense, if it were black then I think it would be leucistic or chimera. But I let this last little guy open up 36 hours after optimal harvest and there is no trace of black sporing. I mean, these albinos do not even resemble the GTs that have matured around it. Totally different stem and cap structure. It's probably a once in a lifetime event that happened on the 3rd stab I've taken at amateur mycology... I don't understand where to even begin on cloning them or reproducing them in any way. I guess I'll find out soon if they really are a diamond in the rough or not...
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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: BacchuV]
#27740547 - 04/18/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Another shot for the record books I guess. All signs point to true albinos... somehow...
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