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OfflinePsilosoulful

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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #22695385 - 12/24/15 04:02 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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Another clump of white ones this morning are ready. They're hollow and not dense at all but I think they're beautiful.





Indeed they are,
The hollow stems are just from genetics(most likely),
Bet they're hella potent tho.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22709992 - 12/28/15 05:29 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I have noticed that the mushrooms which go from pins to open in just 48 hrs tend to have no density to them and the ones that take their sweet time tend to be very dense. I have another white one here now that came after the main flush and not only is it whiter with no yellowing at all, it's also semi-translucent and taking forever to grow but I bet it will be more solid. Anyway I still don't know if I even actually got GT like I was supposed to but they sure look a lot like albino A plus so it's still a mystery as to whether these are just a contamination by albino A+  (which, like these, isn't a true albino)or if they are leucistic GT's or something else entirely. As far as potency goes they aren't anything to rave about they just get some mild bluing nothing really intense.



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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #22711027 - 12/28/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

:whoah:
I'd definitely take a clone of that.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Psilosoulful]
    #22711398 - 12/28/15 11:43 PM (8 years, 1 month ago)

I had these GTs before... It was just dry.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: taGyo]
    #22711644 - 12/29/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

Bruising doesn't equate to potency.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #22711662 - 12/29/15 01:04 AM (8 years, 1 month ago)

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As far as potency goes they aren't anything to rave about they just get some mild bluing nothing really intense.



I had a few friends that believed this. They saw my mushrooms and were like no blue, they are weak.

I took a handful of fresh ones and squeezed the shit out of them....30 seconds later I told them to eat the magically more potent mushrooms, which were now so blue they looked black.

Bruising has nothing to do with potency. Fruits that do not bruise can still pack a punch.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: PussyFart]
    #22794935 - 01/18/16 02:34 PM (8 years, 12 days ago)

No, seriously they were weak as hell, no density, small, hollow and full of water. I'm not going to mess with them I've weeded them out of my cultures and isolated these bad boys.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #22802794 - 01/20/16 10:58 AM (8 years, 11 days ago)

I completely forgot I took spores from a white one and made a syringe then used it on a half-pint cake. It's pinning now and the pins are all-white. Looks like there's really no need to clone them since they're spores produce the same white mushrooms. I guess I still don't fully understand mushroom reproduction because I'm constantly being told that spores will produce a lot of variation (and the first grow from the commercial syringe certainly did) but these don't obviously. They look just like the mushroom that produced the spores so far. Every single pin is white.



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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #22814696 - 01/23/16 11:45 AM (8 years, 8 days ago)





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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #23693884 - 09/30/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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cool, watch out for any that have what appears to be black prints, i would clone and print those as well as the white ones




The white ones were the ONLY ones that produced any spores at all and they are normal colored spores. I have given out 3 prints and I also have one on a wire above a shot glass w/10ml of sterile water to make a syringe. I'll try using that to inoc new jars and see what happens when they fruit.




And... what happens when i print a leucistic and grow the spores is, they ALL come out leucistic. Everyone keeps saying that's impossible but that's what happens.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: PussyFart]
    #23693910 - 09/30/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No, seriously they were weak as hell, no density, small, hollow and full of water. I'm not going to mess with them I've weeded them out of my cultures and isolated these bad boys.



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No, seriously they were weak as hell, no density, small, hollow and full of water. I'm not going to mess with them I've weeded them out of my cultures and isolated these bad boys.



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As far as potency goes they aren't anything to rave about they just get some mild bluing nothing really intense.



I had a few friends that believed this. They saw my mushrooms and were like no blue, they are weak.

I took a handful of fresh ones and squeezed the shit out of them....30 seconds later I told them to eat the magically more potent mushrooms, which were now so blue they looked black.

Bruising has nothing to do with potency. Fruits that do not bruise can still pack a punch.




Well the second sentence I agree with but my most potent strains also happen to be the ones that blue most intensely and quickly and it's always been like that. I get what you're saying and I know that but you sure as hell don't get intense bluing from weak ass shrooms. The intense bluing is relative to the potency I don't give a damn what anybody says to the contrary. I get that when they aren't manhandled they can be potent with no bruising but they won't bruise intensely if they are weak and these leucistics just don't even when manhandled.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #23695223 - 09/30/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Love your White GT! I have a foaf who was working on something like this in 2006 after taking a clone from the stem flesh of this that popped up off the side of a cake one day



It was then grown out in standard BRF cakes and gave an amazing first flush of small but standard looking GT



Stayed much the same until the forth flush when this popped up...





They were super amazing looking with cute little pointy white rimmed caps. I took prints from all of these caps and gave them to others keen to try and get it stable. I then took a 10ish year brake due to a change in living situations but just recently back and very excited to see your results! Well done!

At the time I suspected it was genetics but it was mentioned early in this thread maybe it was nutrients as the defect only showed in the last flush when things would have been running out... From what I can find from those I sent prints no one else had it show again and sadly the clones were lost when I gave up...

I would be more than happy to lend a hand trying to get your stable if your looking for more to help the cause.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: capmuncher]
    #23776313 - 10/27/16 11:03 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm beginning to think some of these people don't know what the hell they're talking about. I have been growing a normally pigmented isolate for a year now and finally decided to go for a ms just for the heck of it and low and behold I got white ones mixed in again. Printed one of the white ones and the prints ALWAYS grow all-white mushrooms. Then I tissue cloned one of them also, did not do anything else except let it grow out on the agar, put a piece of the agar on barley spawned to hpoo/coir/lime and viola, they all look exactly the same. What is this hot air about sectoring and stabilizing, "for consistency" and all that? didn't need to do any of that and I didn't because I suspected it was just hot air and sure enough.
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I would be more than happy to lend a hand trying to get your stable if your looking for more to help the cause.




No thanks, none needed. IDK what you mean by 'stabilized' , How much more stable do you need? the white mush prints ALWAYS grow exactly the same- white mushrooms. The tissue clone grew exactly what I thought it would; they all look just like the mushroom I cloned which is exactly what I expected. :rolleyes: what I did not expect is this tub to fruit in the 3 days I wasn't home which is why fae was neglected.



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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #23776354 - 10/27/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You do realize that just because it happened once, it won't happen every time? I really do hope it does keep happening the same way though. Good shit there :smile:. Not sure why you led with people don't know what they're talking about tho.

When talking genetics, mutations aren't always just going to be stable af right off the bat. Hell pasty's RW has had 4 generations now in the search of stability. Genetics and mutated alleles are much more complicated than that.

Now the cloning part, cloning obviously won't always have the desired effects, and isolating genetics of a desired clone actually could hinder the performance, since your fruited mushroom could have done so well due to the other genetics all playing a role.

As for your bruises a ton and is weak af... I've had more mushrooms that bruised and sucked than a I have had mushrooms that didn't bruise and suck... Just saying :shrug:


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23776665 - 10/27/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Luecism will indeed be easily stabilized however a true albino will need work.


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: Mad Season]
    #23782375 - 10/29/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You do realize that just because it happened once, it won't happen every time? I really do hope it does keep happening the same way though. Good shit there :smile:. Not sure why you led with people don't know what they're talking about tho.

When talking genetics, mutations aren't always just going to be stable af right off the bat. Hell pasty's RW has had 4 generations now in the search of stability. Genetics and mutated alleles are much more complicated than that.

Now the cloning part, cloning obviously won't always have the desired effects, and isolating genetics of a desired clone actually could hinder the performance, since your fruited mushroom could have done so well due to the other genetics all playing a role.

As for your bruises a ton and is weak af... I've had more mushrooms that bruised and sucked than a I have had mushrooms that didn't bruise and suck... Just saying :shrug:




But it does happen every time, and I've even done spores from them 2 generations and they STAY white. Isolating has NEVER hindered anything I've isolated. Every single GT isolate I've ever had vastly outperformed multispore. What always happens is exactly the opposite of what you say- when isolated they blow ms away. Just look at this comparison. One side of the tub is an isolate. the other ms. If you're not sure why I would say these guys don't know what the hell they're talking about then you haven't been following apparently. Now take a wild guess which side of this tub is an isolate and which side is ms. The big white one on the right side is what I cloned for the all-white grow.  The left is the isolate I've been growing over and over for about a year now using an agar plate as a master.



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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #23782400 - 10/29/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Now, see what happens when the white one is cloned and grown by itself.  BIG difference. Same results I get if I isolate any from the rest; epic flushes every time and way higher yield than ms. About 1.7 dry oz per quart of spawn on the first flush. I get about only 1 oz w/ multispore.



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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #23782406 - 10/29/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This cloned batch did get some intense bluing. check it out



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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: MycodelicManiac]
    #23782408 - 10/29/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)



These are all MS, obviously there's shit ones too like:



Top one is a clone from the first PE tub. Didn't do as well, bottom one is one that didn't do as well from a different clone not on this:



Here's an Orissa India isolated clone that did way better than its parent:



Realistically it's all a crapshoot when talking genetics. Lookup pasty's genetics work, some of it is so crazy, and always a new surprise


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Re: Albino Golden Teacher? [Re: cronicr]
    #23860653 - 11/23/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I understand all that but that is not the case here. The spores from mine grow nothing but leucistic and so did the clone. There is no pigment whatsoever in any part of the fruits except for the spores. Here is the result of tissue cloning one and growing it out on grain then spawned to coir/manure/gypsum bulk sub. 'nuff said.



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