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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21761367 - 06/04/15 11:58 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. I'm just not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. Their culture is one of a criminal enterprise, and I think it is reasonable to assume that the members of this group should be considered criminals.
Which is part and parcel of why almost nobody pays any attention to your ideas. You aint a criminal unless you get convicted. Until then you are a suspect.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: akira_akuma]
#21761371 - 06/04/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: read my post you just replied to again, and think a bit harder about what was said.
Okay...
Yup. Still a dummy.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: akira_akuma]
#21761373 - 06/04/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He pretty clearly called the cop a fool and made eye contact for several seconds before he got shot. He was fucking with the cop and the cop felt threatened and then shot the dude.
stop thinking now. we have medication. just stop poisoning the world with your bullshit.
If you can sit through the first 45 seconds or so of the video, then you can see all this happen. It's actually pretty clear. You should take those meds you claim to have.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21761387 - 06/04/15 12:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: So calling someone a fool and having your hands in your pockets is adequate grounds for being shot in the chest? These fucking retards are so incompetent they werent even approaching the right guy to start with. Someone needs to find out where he lives and cap him in the throat.
No. When a cop is pointing a gun at you and he gives you a direct order to put your hands up, to show that you're not a threat, and you call him a fool and then reach for shit, that's adequate grounds for getting shot in the chest, assuming there was cause to have a gun drawn in the first place. The guy didn't keep his hands where they were, he moved them towards his body instead of up, where he would have clearly been seen as unarmed. Reaching for shit in a threatening situation like that is a threat.
Did anybody actually watch the video or do you all just have a hard-on for police injustice?
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21761395 - 06/04/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: No. The numbers don't lie. They kill at a much higher rate than any demographic including the people you are thinking of.
Can you post a link to that stat? I'm genuinely curios to see how much higher it is than the general populace. I'd be surprised if it's higher than soldiers, but it makes sense otherwise. As far as I know, cops are the only guys who have to engage violent people as part of their job. Everybody else is supposed to pass violent situations over to law enforcement.
Well there were 11,000 homicides in the US last year out if a population of 315,000,000 which is a rate of 34 per million
There are a million cops and they are responsible for approximately 1000 per year.
So general population is 34 oer million and cops are 1000 per million.
So what? I bet almost all 1000 were worthless thugs and the world is a better place without them
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#21761402 - 06/04/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He did call the cop a fool that doesn't justify using a lethal weapon when there are other police present especially without using something else to subdue him.
However life is about self preservation first and although it may not be justified it's one hellova scary job to have to deal with all the animals in this world whom are highly unpredictable.
Dude had a record Dude had a felony warrant
The cop knew what he was up against and acted in a manner to protect himself and others.
I don't lean either side of the paradigm in this situation.
It's pretty simple folks
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Mr.GuessWork] 1
#21761409 - 06/04/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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He had his headphones on, did it ever cross your mind that he was reaching for his phone to shut his music off? Is that not even on your fucking radar? Not to mention they had guns drawn already, a split second to visually confirm what he was reaching for rather then murdering some innocent kid for putting his hands in his pocket wouldve been a slightly better alternative to what happened? WOULDNT IT? THATS A PRETTY FUCKING COMMON GESTURE WHEN YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE.
FUCK.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
#21761414 - 06/04/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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KnyggaPlease said: He did call the cop a fool that doesn't justify using a lethal weapon when there are other police present especially without using something else to subdue him.
However life is about self preservation first and although it may not be justified it's one hellova scary job to have to deal with all the animals in this world whom are highly unpredictable.
Dude had a record Dude had a felony warrant
The cop knew what he was up against and acted in a manner to protect himself and others.
I don't lean either side of the paradigm in this situation.
It's pretty simple folks
This wasnt even the guy they were acter. They literally had no knowledge of any of that until after the fact.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] 1
#21761418 - 06/04/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: He had his headphones on, did it ever cross your mind that he was reaching for his phone to shut his music off? Is that not even on your fucking radar? Not to mention they had guns drawn already, a split second to visually confirm what he was reaching for rather then murdering some innocent kid for putting his hands in his pocket wouldve been a slightly better alternative to what happened? WOULDNT IT? THATS A PRETTY FUCKING COMMON GESTURE WHEN YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE.
FUCK.
For some people it's just easier to blame the victim rather than blame the supposed "authority figure" they hold so highly..
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
#21761424 - 06/04/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Calling him a fool doesn't justify it alone. Calling the cop a fool while a gun is pointed at him shows a disregard for the command to put his hands up, and it shows that the guy behaves impulsively. That coupled with the hand movements shows a deliberate failure to comply with a command that was intended to make the situation safer for everybody involved. A jackass who insults a guy with a gun is a dangerous jackass, and it's reasonable to assume that he may reach for a weapon, especially when he starts reaching for something.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
#21761426 - 06/04/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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KnyggaPlease said: He did call the cop a fool that doesn't justify using a lethal weapon when there are other police present especially without using something else to subdue him.
However life is about self preservation first and although it may not be justified it's one hellova scary job to have to deal with all the animals in this world whom are highly unpredictable.
Dude had a record Dude had a felony warrant
The cop knew what he was up against and acted in a manner to protect himself and others.
I don't lean either side of the paradigm in this situation.
It's pretty simple folks
"The cop knew what he was up against"
The cop didn't know he had a felony warrant or that he was drunk, someone called 911 saying that someone was waving a gun around the store.
The cop assumed that this guy might be the person they were looking for, he was incorrect.
The guy that got shot picked the wrong day and set of circumstances to push the boundaries of noncompliance and it cost him.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21761430 - 06/04/15 12:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: He had his headphones on, did it ever cross your mind that he was reaching for his phone to shut his music off? Is that not even on your fucking radar? Not to mention they had guns drawn already, a split second to visually confirm what he was reaching for rather then murdering some innocent kid for putting his hands in his pocket wouldve been a slightly better alternative to what happened? WOULDNT IT? THATS A PRETTY FUCKING COMMON GESTURE WHEN YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE.
FUCK.
The dude was an idiot.
Guns are drawn on you and you call the cop a fool and reach into your pocket? Who gives a shit if he was turning off his music. Know what Id do? Id rip my ear buds out and hit the ground with my hands out. Any other response is asking for trouble.
Play with fire, you get burned.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21761451 - 06/04/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: He had his headphones on, did it ever cross your mind that he was reaching for his phone to shut his music off? Is that not even on your fucking radar? Not to mention they had guns drawn already, a split second to visually confirm what he was reaching for rather then murdering some innocent kid for putting his hands in his pocket wouldve been a slightly better alternative to what happened? WOULDNT IT? THATS A PRETTY FUCKING COMMON GESTURE WHEN YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE.
FUCK.
Headphones? You mean ear buds. The cop probably couldn't see them until the guy was laying in the street. However, the dude seemed to look at the cop long enough to call him a fool and see the gun, and THEN he proceeded to reach behind his back and reach for something in front of him. Shutting off the headphones should happen later. Or instead of calling the cop a fool he could have said "I'm wearing an ear buds and I can't hear you well. Please don't shoot.".
The common gesture when talking to somebody with a gun pointed at you is to put your hands either up or open in front of you.
Whether or not it was justified to approach the guy with a draw gun is unclear from what was shown in the video.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21761455 - 06/04/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: He had his headphones on, did it ever cross your mind that he was reaching for his phone to shut his music off? Is that not even on your fucking radar? Not to mention they had guns drawn already, a split second to visually confirm what he was reaching for rather then murdering some innocent kid for putting his hands in his pocket wouldve been a slightly better alternative to what happened? WOULDNT IT? THATS A PRETTY FUCKING COMMON GESTURE WHEN YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE.
FUCK.
When the cop pulled up dude saw him and walked away, pay closer attention
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Herbologist]
#21761460 - 06/04/15 12:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: He had his headphones on, did it ever cross your mind that he was reaching for his phone to shut his music off? Is that not even on your fucking radar? Not to mention they had guns drawn already, a split second to visually confirm what he was reaching for rather then murdering some innocent kid for putting his hands in his pocket wouldve been a slightly better alternative to what happened? WOULDNT IT? THATS A PRETTY FUCKING COMMON GESTURE WHEN YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE.
FUCK.
The dude was an idiot.
Guns are drawn on you and you call the cop a fool and reach into your pocket? Who gives a shit if he was turning off his music. Know what Id do? Id rip my ear buds out and hit the ground with my hands out. Any other response is asking for trouble.
Play with fire, you get burned.
Are you sure it was dillon that said the word "fool" and not someone else in the background?
Either way, it still doesn't justify the shooting.
Who gives a shit if he said the word "fool" or not? All the cop had to do was wait *half a second* to see if he was actually armed or not before Blowing away someone's fucking son.
But cops are apparently so scared these days that they have too constantly justify shooting unarmed teenagers. Lmao
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
#21761462 - 06/04/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bodhi of Ankou said: He had his headphones on, did it ever cross your mind that he was reaching for his phone to shut his music off? Is that not even on your fucking radar? Not to mention they had guns drawn already, a split second to visually confirm what he was reaching for rather then murdering some innocent kid for putting his hands in his pocket wouldve been a slightly better alternative to what happened? WOULDNT IT? THATS A PRETTY FUCKING COMMON GESTURE WHEN YOUR TALKING TO SOMEONE.
FUCK.
When the cop pulled up dude saw him and walked away, pay closer attention
Cops pull up too convenience stores all the time. I'd bet he just didn't realize what was happening - he would have no reason to think they were there for him.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Herbologist]
#21761464 - 06/04/15 12:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I dont agree. That shouldnt be adequate grounds to end someones life under any circumstances. The police should not freely be allowed to take lives under such loose circumstances without consequence. Its easy to be callous towards the life of someone you dont know but if it was your dad or brother that got shot in the chest under similar circumstances youd be losing your shit. That was someones kid, brother, friend. Taking his life over having his hands in his pocket is wrong. Regardless of what you say. Even if he had a weapon he wouldve never been able to raise it and point it at anyone before they shot him. All it wouldve taken was a split second of diplomacy. As for calling him a fool no ones obligated to show them any level of respect whatsoever. They are not gods. Nobodies reaction to getting incorrectly profiled should be dropping into the fetal position and screaming omg omg officer please dont shoot.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
#21761485 - 06/04/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Either way. Not immediately complying with a police officer could end your day for good. I think we can all agree on that.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21761501 - 06/04/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. I'm just not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt anymore. Their culture is one of a criminal enterprise, and I think it is reasonable to assume that the members of this group should be considered criminals.
Which is part and parcel of why almost nobody pays any attention to your ideas. You aint a criminal unless you get convicted. Until then you are a suspect.
Good thing prosecutors and judges are on the same team. No trial.. nothin to see here, move along
I wonder how people would respond to see a normal citizen in a bullet proof vest, gun, tazer, nightstick, mace... what would cops think/say/do
This quote is in deactivate of the entire problem/conversation. Faith. . within an entire system. This is what the fear is for them. If average people don't trust the cops how much further up the line are you willing to trust?
I mean, you got guys like zappa on here sayin he'd be whackin people 'out of self preservation' if there were no cops. Hah, be afraid, we're all animals hah! Which poses another question.. what or how far would you take 'self preservation'? Is it only if your life is in danger? Or is it your stuff, your money, or your food. All i know is i wouldn't wanna be on zappas mushroom spot all alone when he walk up. Damn
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Herbologist]
#21761510 - 06/04/15 12:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Herbologist said: Either way. Not immediately complying with a police officer could end your day for good. I think we can all agree on that.
i'll be polite and nice and all that but i ain't suckin no cops dick
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