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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21760812 - 06/04/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: That is not what they are facing in Baltimore from this overzealous prosecutor
Boo hoo cry me a fucking river. You kill someone and then complain about being prosecuted. What a fucking bunch of pussies. Cops in Baltimore should do their fucking jobs or be fired. This work stoppage is ridiculous. They are acting like a bunch of 10 year olds.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21760815 - 06/04/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said:
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zappaisgod said: That is not what they are facing in Baltimore from this overzealous prosecutor
Boo hoo cry me a fucking river. You kill someone and then complain about being prosecuted. What a fucking bunch of pussies.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
#21760824 - 06/04/15 09:17 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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KnyggaPlease said: So go get shot in the knee, and sue for pain and suffering and live a life being unable to walk. Which is better than death yes however if they don't kill the guy and he has a weapon he can turn around an kill the cop.
That's not a good justification. If the cop shoots to wound he's obviously still focused on the guy, which means any retaliation should be obvious. It would take a split second to unload again. Regardless, you don't be a cop if you're scared of getting shot.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21760839 - 06/04/15 09:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Cops are scum of the earth
If there were no cops I could show you what real scum can do. You'd beg for the scummy cops to come back.
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KnyggaPlease said: So go get shot in the knee, and sue for pain and suffering and live a life being unable to walk. Which is better than death yes however if they don't kill the guy and he has a weapon he can turn around an kill the cop.
That's not a good justification. If the cop shoots to wound he's obviously still focused on the guy, which means any retaliation should be obvious. It would take a split second to unload again. Regardless, you don't be a cop if you're scared of getting shot.
Why not? They get shot and assaulted all the time because when you are running away from a situation they are running toward it. They damn well should be afraid.
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wtf... merica cops are just wow
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21760854 - 06/04/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Cops are scum of the earth
If there were no cops I could show you what real scum can do. You'd beg for the scummy cops to come back.
How about we get some decent cops that are trained how diffuse a situation instead of going straight for their gun,
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21760864 - 06/04/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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KnyggaPlease said: So go get shot in the knee, and sue for pain and suffering and live a life being unable to walk. Which is better than death yes however if they don't kill the guy and he has a weapon he can turn around an kill the cop.
That's not a good justification. If the cop shoots to wound he's obviously still focused on the guy, which means any retaliation should be obvious. It would take a split second to unload again. Regardless, you don't be a cop if you're scared of getting shot.
Why not? They get shot and assaulted all the time because when you are running away from a situation they are running toward it. They damn well should be afraid.
That's like saying an MMA fighter needs to be scared of being punched in the head. When you are in a position like that, fear is supposed to become a strength, not a weakness. If a UFC fighter was scared of getting punched, they would never win because they'd spend their whole time getting pounded.
Or how about someone who climbs mountains? Do you think they would benefit from trembling the whole time?
I understand their lives are in danger at times and all that, but their position is acceptance of that fear, not to be consumed by it, which is exactly what happened in the video posted. Hell, they even had to angrily tell the guy to put his hands behind his back while he was incoherent and bleeding to death because they were scared of a dying man doing.. what? Bleeding more?
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21760867 - 06/04/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://wreg.com/2014/11/25/salt-lake-cop-cleared-in-shooting-of-unarmed-white-man/
The cop has been cleared.
"Footage from the officer's body camera shows Officer Cruz repeatedly asked Dillon to show has hands. On the footage Taylor can be heard saying "Hah, fool."
"Officials say Taylor's blood alcohol level was .18 percent when he was shot"
"DA Gill said Taylor's Facebook posts show he was suicidal before the shooting...Taylor was wanted for felony arrest warrant at the time of the shooting"
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods] 1
#21760869 - 06/04/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The are a million cops. That's the size of a large city. They have killed almost 400 people in the first five months of this year. That is a worse homicide rate than DC. Saw at the height of of the crack epidemic. Cops are the most dangerous demographic this country has ever seen.
*correction, they have shoot and killed 400 people. That doesn't include people like Freddie grey who were murdered in other ways.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
#21760870 - 06/04/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Eh. I'm almost temped to side with the cop. That guy definitely wasn't trying to put his hands up, he heard what was going on, made eye contact, and then he called the cop a fool, then he made sudden hand movements from behind his back. I probably would have shot the guy too. It might be justified IMO. I don't know why the cop started with his gun out, but maybe he had a good reason. It was a good thing the cop had a camera on.
And like others were saying, Guns are for lethal force. Tasers and that kind of stuff are for nonlethal force. If you shoot, you shoot to kill. A leg shot could easily allow a person to return fire. The whole purpose of using force is to prevent the person from causing addition harm, and a gun pretty much needs to kill to do its job reliably. That's why guns should be a last resort.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21760880 - 06/04/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: The are a million cops. That's the size of a large city. They have killed almost 400 people in the first five months of this year. That is a worse homicide rate than DC. Saw at the height of of the crack epidemic. Cops are the most dangerous demographic this country has ever seen.
"Cops are the most dangerous demographic"
You know that's not true.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
#21760884 - 06/04/15 09:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No. The numbers don't lie. They kill at a much higher rate than any demographic including the people you are thinking of.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21760895 - 06/04/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Cops are scum of the earth
If there were no cops I could show you what real scum can do. You'd beg for the scummy cops to come back.
How about we get some decent cops that are trained how diffuse a situation instead of going straight for their gun,
They all are in NYC
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21760897 - 06/04/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: No. The numbers don't lie. They kill at a much higher rate than any demographic including the people you are thinking of.
But most of their killings are justified, they're not shooting people over "turf".
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21760903 - 06/04/15 09:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: No. The numbers don't lie. They kill at a much higher rate than any demographic including the people you are thinking of.
Of course they do. What an idiot metric to bring up. They rush in when you run away. The vast majority of their shoots are 100% justified
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
#21760909 - 06/04/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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qman said: http://wreg.com/2014/11/25/salt-lake-cop-cleared-in-shooting-of-unarmed-white-man/
The cop has been cleared.
"Footage from the officer's body camera shows Officer Cruz repeatedly asked Dillon to show has hands. On the footage Taylor can be heard saying "Hah, fool."
"Officials say Taylor's blood alcohol level was .18 percent when he was shot"
"DA Gill said Taylor's Facebook posts show he was suicidal before the shooting...Taylor was wanted for felony arrest warrant at the time of the shooting"
So they knew he was intoxicated and acting irrationally, and took no measures to deal with the situation accordingly. Great.
I understand the suicidal part, and even the felony arrest. Does it say what he was wanted for?
To me this highlights the ineffective training in regard to people under the influence and with mental disabilities. I can see how it all went down just as well as you did but what I saw more than anything was a cop going for the last option first.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21760917 - 06/04/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: No. The numbers don't lie. They kill at a much higher rate than any demographic including the people you are thinking of.
Can you post a link to that stat? I'm genuinely curios to see how much higher it is than the general populace. I'd be surprised if it's higher than soldiers, but it makes sense otherwise. As far as I know, cops are the only guys who have to engage violent people as part of their job. Everybody else is supposed to pass violent situations over to law enforcement.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
#21760924 - 06/04/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Idk my country has a population over a million and there have only been 9 police shooting (times when someone has been shot, not necessarily killed) since 2005. You can have an effective police force without resorting to your gun. I just think most police forces are corrupt to the core with a culture that believes they can get away with anything and that is the way they act. Once police start getting prosecuted these numbers will drop dramatically. Indict and let the juries sort it out. Time for prosecutors to stand up to these police thugs and do their jobs.
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qman said: http://wreg.com/2014/11/25/salt-lake-cop-cleared-in-shooting-of-unarmed-white-man/
The cop has been cleared.
"Footage from the officer's body camera shows Officer Cruz repeatedly asked Dillon to show has hands. On the footage Taylor can be heard saying "Hah, fool."
"Officials say Taylor's blood alcohol level was .18 percent when he was shot"
"DA Gill said Taylor's Facebook posts show he was suicidal before the shooting...Taylor was wanted for felony arrest warrant at the time of the shooting"
So they knew he was intoxicated and acting irrationally, and took no measures to deal with the situation accordingly. Great.
I understand the suicidal part, and even the felony arrest. Does it say what he was wanted for?
To me this highlights the ineffective training in regard to people under the influence and with mental disabilities. I can see how it all went down just as well as you did but what I saw more than anything was a cop going for the last option first.
They didn't know he was intoxicated at the time, this was found out after the shooting. Intoxicated people can be just as dangerous as sober people, so what difference does it make?
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