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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21764322 - 06/05/15 01:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You Americans are sooooo fucked, that a cop can kill you without any consequences.
Here in my country, even though it is rare for a cop to kill, even completly justified cases get thoroughly investigated by indipendent experts.

But I guess some nations value the lives of their citizens more then others... :sad:


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21764973 - 06/05/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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"Reasonable suspicion is the legal standard by which a police officer has the right to briefly detain a suspect for investigatory purposes and frisk the outside of their clothing for weapons, but not drugs. While many factors contribute to a police officer’s level of authority in a given situation, the reasonable suspicion standard requires facts or circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a suspect has, is, or will commit a crime.

While reasonable suspicion does not require hard evidence, it does require more than a hunch. A combination of particular facts, even if each is individually insignificant, can form the basis of reasonable suspicion. For example, police may have reasonable suspicion to detain someone who fits a description of a criminal suspect, a suspect who drops a suspicious object after seeing police, or a suspect in a high crime area who runs after seeing police."

I know, I said reasonable suspicion in my response, I guess you could consider him as "running" since he did start to leave when he saw the cops :shrug: Still doesn't sit right with me though.





Fair enough however his "hunch" goes back to the initial report when the call was made to police


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21765022 - 06/05/15 08:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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SirShroomsAlott said:
Koods is correct in this situation, I've seen the statistics myself, cops don't even rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs. Mine actually happens to be in the top 10. He didn't say cops don't have dangerous jobs, he said they don't have the most dangerous job, big difference in wording and meaning there.





depends on which list you go by, most list cops as one of the top most dangerous professions



I looked up the workers comp rates for LEOs.  Depending on exactly what branch it hovers around 8%.  As a contrast, workers comp for my job is around 15%.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21765042 - 06/05/15 08:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
You Americans are sooooo fucked, that a cop can kill you without any consequences.
Here in my country, even though it is rare for a cop to kill, even completly justified cases get thoroughly investigated by indipendent experts.

But I guess some nations value the lives of their citizens more then others... :sad:




They are investigated thoroughly by independent parties.  In NYC they have a civilian Review Board.  The also have an internal affairs division of police department experts.  Then we have a thing called grand juries which hear evidence and are generally prejudicial to prosecutors.  After that we have, if called for, a trial.  Almost all of the time grand juries and trials are unnecessary because it is fucking obvious to everybody that the shooting was justified.  When they aren't they get prosecuted, go to trial and, if warranted, found guilty.

Another ignorant foreigner who knows nothing opining about America.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Turtletotem]
    #21765203 - 06/05/15 09:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Turtletotem said:
You Americans are sooooo fucked, that a cop can kill you without any consequences.
Here in my country, even though it is rare for a cop to kill, even completly justified cases get thoroughly investigated by indipendent experts.

But I guess some nations value the lives of their citizens more then others... :sad:





so you somehow think that shootings by cops in the US arent investigated, I guess
it goes to show how clueless the rest of the world is when it comes to anything
happening outside of their country


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21765222 - 06/05/15 09:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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No, it means I'm judging them on an individual basis and not lumping all cops in the same category because of the actions of a few that are all over the place making it seem like it is an epidemic when really it's mainly just stirred up bullshit from news outlets in order to get ratings. It means sometimes I think it wasn't necessary for some to shoot, and others I think had good reasons, because every situation really is a different story. The same end result could of been caused two different ways, where one was justified, and one was not. Not like my opinions matter anyway or make a difference :shrug:

Cops have many reasons to shoot, and a lot are very good reasons, but this one time seems unjustified is what I mean when I say this particular situation on threads like this I suppose.




it takes a second for a suspect can shoot a cop, if I were in the same
situation I can say without a doubt I'm going to do exactly as the cop did
here, I'm not risking my life any more than is necessary to ensure my safety,
if I demand compliance to an order and the man I'm pointing a gun at is
ignoring my orders I take it as someone looking for an avenue to attack.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
    #21765364 - 06/05/15 10:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Why would any rational person sign-up for a job that requires them to engage in constant dangerous situations and then risk getting put into prison if they make one single mistake?  It makes no sense, the job doesn't even pay that much, why take the risk of your own life or the chance of going to prison if you're not going to get the benefit of the doubt?




Because they like shooting people,


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21765374 - 06/05/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Prisoner#1 said:
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Turtletotem said:
You Americans are sooooo fucked, that a cop can kill you without any consequences.
Here in my country, even though it is rare for a cop to kill, even completly justified cases get thoroughly investigated by indipendent experts.

But I guess some nations value the lives of their citizens more then others... :sad:





so you somehow think that shootings by cops in the US arent investigated, I guess
it goes to show how clueless the rest of the world is when it comes to anything
happening outside of their country




They aren't prosecuted because the prosecutors are under constant threat of having the cops not cooperate with them in future investigations. Cops are thugs. They act like the mafia and they retaliate when things don't go their way. Get your head out of your ass Pris. This has been going in for a long time. Look what happened in Baltimore. They indict and the cops stop doing their jobs.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
    #21765383 - 06/05/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Both the prosecutor and mayor in Baltimore ate fucking retards and all they did was allow the animals to do what they did


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21765405 - 06/05/15 10:47 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

How did they allow the animal (assuming you mean the cops) do what they did. The mayors of most American cities have little control over their police forces becasue they are a lawless criminal enterprise run by the police union.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods] * 1
    #21765414 - 06/05/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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koods said:
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qman said:
Why would any rational person sign-up for a job that requires them to engage in constant dangerous situations and then risk getting put into prison if they make one single mistake?  It makes no sense, the job doesn't even pay that much, why take the risk of your own life or the chance of going to prison if you're not going to get the benefit of the doubt?




Because they like shooting people,




http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/11/weekinreview/ideas-trends-don-t-shoot-the-culture-of-cops-and-guns.html

"95 percent of New York City's 38,000 officers have never fired their weapons fighting crime"

http://www.policeone.com/use-of-force/articles/3468102-Shooting-center-mass-The-dangers-of-denial/

"less than 12 percent of police officers will ever draw and fire their weapons at another person- in the entire course of their career"


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
    #21765434 - 06/05/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Other civilized countries do not have this problem. Yet, we still have the highest murder rate. The cops aren't even doing their jobs properly and somehow they can't stop killing people at at rage far higher than an other western country. We have a totally incompetent police force. Why is anyone defending them?


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
    #21765444 - 06/05/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Because amurica


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Shins]
    #21765457 - 06/05/15 11:07 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It aint the cops fault.  It is slavery's fault.  Our murder rate would be similar to Europe's if not for slavery.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21765527 - 06/05/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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SirShroomsAlott said:
No, it means I'm judging them on an individual basis and not lumping all cops in the same category because of the actions of a few that are all over the place making it seem like it is an epidemic when really it's mainly just stirred up bullshit from news outlets in order to get ratings. It means sometimes I think it wasn't necessary for some to shoot, and others I think had good reasons, because every situation really is a different story. The same end result could of been caused two different ways, where one was justified, and one was not. Not like my opinions matter anyway or make a difference :shrug:

Cops have many reasons to shoot, and a lot are very good reasons, but this one time seems unjustified is what I mean when I say this particular situation on threads like this I suppose.




it takes a second for a suspect can shoot a cop, if I were in the same
situation I can say without a doubt I'm going to do exactly as the cop did
here, I'm not risking my life any more than is necessary to ensure my safety,
if I demand compliance to an order and the man I'm pointing a gun at is
ignoring my orders I take it as someone looking for an avenue to attack.




I see where you're coming from and think you have a point, as I've said I have friends who are cops and work in very dangerous areas and tell me what goes through their mind when they respond to a call, and I know it's easy for me to judge a position I've never been in, especially being in potentially deadly situations countless times, and even more so when it is just a very short video with no real detail added in.

I realize I'm not making a difference or changing the world with my posts, just simply stating my opinion and why it is my opinion on this one incident. Plus if he was judged for it and was found to be justified, well then I guess that is that. If it was my life on the line, for all I know I'd do the same thing too, and I'm not one to adamantly defend something especially when it realistically won't make any difference at all if I convince anyone and when I don't have a solution to the problem so I'll leave that to Koods as he seems more educated on the subject and has personal experience with such things if I read his earlier post correctly. I just think in this situation the cop may have overreacted a little, but I simultaneously realize that I don't know what it's like to be in that type of position over and over again and how it can be easy to misjudge a thing one time when it is potentially your own life on the line so it's easy for me to judge it when I haven't experienced it.

I was high when I wrote that response that was quoted but now that I can think about it clearly, I say "this particular incident" a lot because if you read my responses, I say I feel this guy is wrong, and someone responds with something like "so you think all cops should be held to an unrealistic standard" or something along the lines of that. No.....I meant this one cop, I'm never talking about a whole group of people when commenting on a single incident unless I specified otherwise, so I do that because I'm not trying to turn my argument into all cops this and all cops that type of thing, just how this ONE is (insert opinion here)

My true opinion about all police is that I hate when everyone acts like all cops are a problem and out of control, no they aren't, a few are of course, there won't ever be a time when some people in power don't abuse that power, but it still isn't solely the cops fault, it is the system as a whole that causes the problem, but people just want to place blame on something so they act like only the police force is the problem when it is so many different variables and factors that contribute to why the police act the way they do that also need to be tackled. And how the police aren't magically getting out of control, if it's happening now, it's always been happening, and it's not as much as a problem as it's made out to be. Controversy=ratings=money, the news is a business which people seem to forget, they will blatantly make shit up and make problems where there isn't any solely so you tune in and then everyone jumps all over and acts like this is the new epidemic when it's just the new distraction, until something else comes along that is a hot topic that they can manipulate.


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