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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
    #21763204 - 06/04/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I do agree that it would of been easier to do that, and that he might still be alive, but IMO it's not his job to know what the police were looking for and his right not to bother with them if he chooses.

I really can't say he didn't make it complicated and it probably wouldn't of happened if he did just stay still and talk to them, but I still don't think he should be dead for it.




We had a trigger happy cop who thought he was dealing with the guy who had the reported gun, it's a very stressful situation to chase down a suspect who is likely armed with a deadly weapon, so many in the thread think "they are trained to stay calm" so they should be perfect, that's not the real world.





and so many people in this thread dont have the slightest fucking clue what
they're talking about, I'd love for them to train the cops on their better
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21763220 - 06/04/15 08:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think most of them handle most situations correctly, I have friends who are cops and work in high drug trafficking/gang areas and tell me exactly what they've been through and get why they usually have their finger ready on the trigger, I'm only talking about this particular situation.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: ManianFH]
    #21763237 - 06/04/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Cops are necessary. People can't really govern themselves when it comes down to it. However, their power in the US is overextended and the kind of personality that seeks that role in society is alarming.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21763241 - 06/04/15 08:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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How can one not find it appalling  that the police are responsible for almost 10% of the homicides in the US.





how many of those are justifiable homicides?

seems most liberals want guns taken from the citizens leaving only cops and criminals with guns

what will that do to that statistic




Cops are criminals.




you're a criminal


still doesnt answer my question, how many police shootings are justifiable?



What is your opinion on Kent state?


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21763252 - 06/04/15 08:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Why would any rational person sign-up for a job that requires them to engage in constant dangerous situations and then risk getting put into prison if they make one single mistake?  It makes no sense, the job doesn't even pay that much, why take the risk of your own life or the chance of going to prison if you're not going to get the benefit of the doubt?


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21763257 - 06/04/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What is your opinion on Kent state?




I love Neil Young's Ohio.

Yet, I heard some policemen were hurt by the protesters before anyone even got killed.

I don't really know though. I would like to see the hard data on that.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
    #21763268 - 06/04/15 08:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Not all people are rational, some people also love having power over other people, that goes for cops as well, and I've known quite a few who did it solely because they wanted to retire with full benefits after 20 years.

Sometimes when people have power over people, even if they didn't put themselves in that position, they end up abusing it, and getting steadily worse especially if there is never repercussions.

Again though, I'm not arguing cops can't shoot people and there aren't circumstances when it is justified, I think most of them are justified, but this video that I watched, he was in the wrong IMO.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21763301 - 06/04/15 08:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not all people are rational, some people also love having power over others, that goes for cops as well, and I've known quite a few who did it solely because they wanted to retire with full benefits after 20 years.




The point is, no cop could make it 20 years to retirement if required to meet the unrealistic standards of many people in this thread, the cop would either be dead or most likely in prison for misconduct.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
    #21763310 - 06/04/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

its more the lack of intelligent people on the force imo. you should have to have a degree to make life or death decisions regarding the public. what the fuck are highschool grads doing with guns in their hands and making such decisions?

stupid as fuck. i actually dont blame the dumbass officers who do this, i blame the system that allowed them to become officers in the first place.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
    #21763343 - 06/04/15 09:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think they should be held to a unrealistic standard, but this particular cop handled this situation wrong in a couple ways IMO. If I believe a guy has a weapon that can kill me, I wouldn't pass a parked car that I could of used as cover to keep walking within 10 feet of a guy I think might pull a gun on me. He also told him to put his hands in the air, then shot his gun the second the guys hands were out of his pants.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21763374 - 06/04/15 09:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't think they should be held to a unrealistic standard, but this particular cop handled this situation wrong in a couple ways IMO. If I believe a guy has a weapon that can kill me, I wouldn't pass a parked car that I could of used as cover to keep walking within 10 feet of a guy I think might pull a gun on me. He also told him to put his hands in the air, then shot his gun the second the guys hands were out of his pants.




This particular situation was a big fuck up, with that being said, what should happen to the cop?  They decided not to charge him, it's hard to say what would be the best outcome.

I don't think he woke up and decided to kill a innocent person that day, yet a certain set of circumstances created that very scenario, it's a tough call in my opinion.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
    #21763414 - 06/04/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I agree, I don't think he should be charged with first degree homocide, but not totally walk, but I'm not a cop and it's easy for me to judge a lifestyle I haven't lived so Idk what that consequence should be :shrug: I know a lot of people don't like cops but I truly know a lot of them and almost all of them are really great people so I don't think when things like this happen it was what was always intended, but if it is questionable I do think it should be judged on an individual basis, rather then set up a system where cops are held to an unrealistic standard like you said.

Though it changes my opinion from earlier a little bit, I still think people are mad at the wrong people, everyone is mad the police, but it's really the system that is the cause.

Edit: System meaning society as a whole, not just the legal system.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21763579 - 06/04/15 09:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I think most of them handle most situations correctly, I have friends who are cops and work in high drug trafficking/gang areas and tell me exactly what they've been through and get why they usually have their finger ready on the trigger, I'm only talking about this particular situation.






you're always only talking about "this particula situation" every time there's a thread like this...


does that mean you always see them as being wrong when they shoot?


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21763625 - 06/04/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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What is your opinion on Kent state?




a million things could have been done differently that would have prevented a
loss of life or injury, same with every one of these shootings


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21763695 - 06/04/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No, it means I'm judging them on an individual basis and not lumping all cops in the same category because of the actions of a few that are all over the place making it seem like it is an epidemic when really it's mainly just stirred up bullshit from news outlets in order to get ratings. It means sometimes I think it wasn't necessary for some to shoot, and others I think had good reasons, because every situation really is a different story. The same end result could of been caused two different ways, where one was justified, and one was not. Not like my opinions matter anyway or make a difference :shrug:

Cops have many reasons to shoot, and a lot are very good reasons, but this one time seems unjustified is what I mean when I say this particular situation on threads like this I suppose.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21763738 - 06/04/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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All of that is illegal though. You can not walk away from the police when they are trying to talk to you.




Yes you absolutely can, unless you're under arrest which they need probable cause in order to do, which from the video we don't know if they had or not, and how is that guy supposed to know if he is if they're just showing up.

Next time a cop comes up to you and says I have some questions, keep walking while saying "are you detaining me or am I free to go" which is fully legal to do unless they detain you on the spot which they need probable cause that you committed a crime to do.

Not saying one way or another whether the cop is right or wrong, but you can definitely walk aay from the police when they try talking to you, I've done it at least 7 times.

They can't detain and talk to you for no reason, and maybe they think you're suspicious, still not a reason, they need probable cause or reasonable suspicion, meaning you match the description to a T and it has to be a detailed description.

In case anyone cares I'll add in one of the times I did this so don't bother reading the rest if you dn't care....I was near apartments a few months back walking back from a store, a police officer pulled up next to me and leaped out and asked to talk for a minute, I don't have anything against any individual police officer unless they give me a reason so I asked what I could help him with.

He said there's been reports of a white guy that robbed 3 apartments in the past day or two, do you have I.d. on you.....at this point, it's obvious he's trying to put my name in his database which is when I stop helping them, I said yes I do, he said can you show it to me, I said are you detaining me or am I free to go, he said I matched a description that witnesses gave to which I replied, are you detaining me or am I free to go....he didn't answer and told me to wait there, went back in his car for a minute, talked on his talkie for a minute or two, came back out and said I was free to go.

You don't even have to show them I.D. unless you are suspected of a crime that they have probable cause to believe you commited. You aren't guilty until proven innocent, and that is why we have these rights.




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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #21763751 - 06/04/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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SirShroomsAlott said:
I do agree that it would of been easier to do that, and that he might still be alive, but IMO it's not his job to know what the police were looking for and his right not to bother with them if he chooses.

I really can't say he didn't make it complicated and it probably wouldn't of happened if he did just stay still and talk to them, but I still don't think he should be dead for it.




We had a trigger happy cop who thought he was dealing with the guy who had the reported gun, it's a very stressful situation to chase down a suspect who is likely armed with a deadly weapon, so many in the thread think "they are trained to stay calm" so they should be perfect, that's not the real world.





and so many people in this thread dont have the slightest fucking clue what
they're talking about, I'd love for them to train the cops on their better
way to do things since they seem to swear there's a better way




Pretty much, it's rather sad


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21763763 - 06/04/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

"Reasonable suspicion is the legal standard by which a police officer has the right to briefly detain a suspect for investigatory purposes and frisk the outside of their clothing for weapons, but not drugs. While many factors contribute to a police officer’s level of authority in a given situation, the reasonable suspicion standard requires facts or circumstances that would lead a reasonable person to believe that a suspect has, is, or will commit a crime.

While reasonable suspicion does not require hard evidence, it does require more than a hunch. A combination of particular facts, even if each is individually insignificant, can form the basis of reasonable suspicion. For example, police may have reasonable suspicion to detain someone who fits a description of a criminal suspect, a suspect who drops a suspicious object after seeing police, or a suspect in a high crime area who runs after seeing police."

I know, I said reasonable suspicion in my response, I guess you could consider him as "running" since he did start to leave when he saw the cops :shrug: Still doesn't sit right with me though.


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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: The Doobie Dude]
    #21764040 - 06/04/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Kent state was super fishy. The authorities sent an informant into the crowd of students with a pistol to shoot into the air and then book it back to the police line so they could unload on the crowd. There is video of a guy chasing the informant down screamin that he has a gun and that he shot someone. The informant runs up the the police chief and hands him the pistol and the cops act like none of it happen. I posted the video in one of learyfan's threads. I'm going to dig it up.

That is an actual case of police brutality, this case is not imo.


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