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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: akira_akuma]
#21762579 - 06/04/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: to be clear: to anyone who isn't thinking right now: if the cops had any thoughts in their brain to not react like an ape might react when cornered (and they weren't cornered), they would have drawn their weapons and targeted, but would have waited to confirm that he had a weapon, before they would have been in danger and fired.
but because they were stupid godawful things that should be put down (for they also too run amok) they just jumped like apes and reacted to NOTHINGNESS.
they are a bane to the human race. and anyone who defends them needs to check their brains.
I read somewhere that when cops are in a call like that, the lighting is dim and adrenaline is pumping through the blood-stream of the cop/s, and they have to think really fast and decide really fast. I doubt they have the luxury, the leisure, of being able to wait to see and then ascertain what this guy would produce from out of his pocket. The cops had to act fast to protect their own lives. They thought he was the man reported as waving a gun at a store. They must have thought that he was armed. They (the cops) decided to protect their own lives by shooting who they genuinely thought was a threat.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: WAN]
#21762585 - 06/04/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no they didn't. no they did not HAVE TO act fast to protect their own lives, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO WEAPON. are you clear on this now? or do i have to say it again? you saying they "had to act fast" MEANS NOTHING. it's bereft of reality. sorry for being so crude but... what you're saying is just an empty slogan.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: akira_akuma]
#21762595 - 06/04/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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They only found out the guy had no weapon after he had been shot. But at that time, when the guy was being non-compliant, the police didn't know that he didn't have a gun.
For all they knew, the guy could have been reaching into his pocket to produce a weapon.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: WAN] 1
#21762601 - 06/04/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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WAN said: The cops had to act fast to protect their own lives. They thought he was the man reported as waving a gun at a store. They must have thought that he was armed. They (the cops) decided to protect their own lives by shooting who they genuinely thought was a threat.
They are trained to keep calm under those types of situations, if they can't, they should quit. Thought shit itself, they murdered an innocent man, doesn't matter if they genuinely thought he was a threat, they didn't handle the situation appropriately which is why it's a problem.
Just like they do with citizens in a court of law, they have to set an example to the police, to show this kind of behavior is unacceptable by officers. Instead they get away with it.
As I've said before, most cops are probably pretty good people IMO, but just because they wear a badge doesnt mean they get to take an innocent mans life and everyone should just be like "oh it's alright he meant well", they are also bound to the law, and responsible for their own actions.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762622 - 06/04/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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SirShroomsAlott said: Sorry if I'm just butting in, but I think you're taking what akira and koods is saying wrong Herbologist, he isn't saying cops are all evil or whatever and that they don't have dangerous jobs.
To me at least, it appears as if his whole point revolves around them being held accountable for their actions. Wrong is wrong, innocent is innocent, and there are cops who are trigger happy. I don't think anyone who isn't a retard would claim full out that every single cop is a piece of shit, and if they do, refer back to my comment about attacking the effect rather then the cause.
They are there to uphold the law, they work within the same law we all do, and if they kill an innocent person who was not a threat because they were to quick to pull the trigger, then sorry to say, they should be held accountable for that, the same way anyone who isn't a cop should be too.
Especially when they have multiple forms of nonlethal weapons they can use to take someone down easily sitting right next to that gun.
Please correct me akira so I'm not putting words in your mouth if I'm mistaken.
I think cop culture is evil and even the good cops have to exist in an evil culture that eventually corrupts them. Truly good cops resign.
More relentless bullshit from you. You lie and obfuscate for no reason I can discern. I will repeat myself, if it wasn't for the cops people like you would be slaves or dead. A bunch of Flounders
I've never needed the assistance of the police once in my life.
Correction I did ask for their help after my car was stolen, but it turns out it went missing as part of a scam run by corrupt officers and tow companies that stole thousands of cars in DC over a multiple year period. Fuck the police.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21762637 - 06/04/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The police are the only thing preventing assholes like me from totally fucking you over. I've never called them either except for the same shit you did. Do you know how I got my truck back? They put a fucking ticket on it. But that doesn't mean I am oblivious to the fact that they prevent total chaos
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WAN said: The cops had to act fast to protect their own lives. They thought he was the man reported as waving a gun at a store. They must have thought that he was armed. They (the cops) decided to protect their own lives by shooting who they genuinely thought was a threat.
They are trained to keep calm under those types of situations, if they can't, they should quit. Thought shit itself, they murdered an innocent man, doesn't matter if they genuinely thought he was a threat, they didn't handle the situation appropriately which is why it's a problem.
Just like they do with citizens in a court of law, they have to set an example to the police, to show this kind of behavior is unacceptable by officers. Instead they get away with it.
As I've said before, most cops are probably pretty good people IMO, but just because they wear a badge doesnt mean they get to take an innocent mans life and everyone should just be like "oh it's alright he meant well", they are also bound to the law, and responsible for their own actions.
But how do you know for sure that the police in question acted out of panic/that they didn't keep calm? Maybe they WERE calm all this time, and they still genuinely thought that that kid had a weapon.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: WAN]
#21762753 - 06/04/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're giving police a perfect defense if that was allowed to be an excuse in a court of law, every cop can just kill someone and say "Welp, genuinely thought he had a weapon your honor"
"How do you know for sure that the police in question acted out of panic/that they didn't keep calm"
So since I can't know, I should just assume he's a good guy? As someone else pointed out, the cops tell him to put his hands up, then shoot him for complying. They handled this situation wrong, no way around it, and just because they wear a badge doesn't mean they are above the law and shouldn't be accountable for their actions.
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I thought he was walking away while calling the police "fool".
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: WAN]
#21762765 - 06/04/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And? That's an excuse to open fire?
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So maybe the police thought he was resisting as well as being a possible threat. Maybe those things that he did led the police to believe he was indeed the gun-waving man the store was calling about.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: WAN]
#21762783 - 06/04/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're forgetting the fact this man is innocent, innocent people don't have to comply to the police if they aren't breaking the law, which in this situation, he was not doing in any way shape or form. Nothing he did was illegal.
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SirShroomsAlott said: You're forgetting the fact this man is innocent, innocent people don't have to comply to the police if they aren't breaking the law, which in this situation, he was not doing in any way shape or form. Nothing he did was illegal.
"innocent people don't have to comply to the police"
That's true to a certain extent, if this guy complied for just 5 seconds he would be alive today.
Don't you think if he knew they were looking for a guy that was waving a gun around at the place he was at, he wouldn't of had the confrontation attitude?
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
#21763101 - 06/04/15 08:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do agree that it would of been easier to do that, and that he might still be alive, but IMO it's not his job to know what the police were looking for and his right not to bother with them if he chooses.
I really can't say he didn't make it complicated and it probably wouldn't of happened if he did just stay still and talk to them, but I still don't think he should be dead for it.
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SirShroomsAlott said: I do agree that it would of been easier to do that, and that he might still be alive, but IMO it's not his job to know what the police were looking for and his right not to bother with them if he chooses.
I really can't say he didn't make it complicated and it probably wouldn't of happened if he did just stay still and talk to them, but I still don't think he should be dead for it.
We had a trigger happy cop who thought he was dealing with the guy who had the reported gun, it's a very stressful situation to chase down a suspect who is likely armed with a deadly weapon, so many in the thread think "they are trained to stay calm" so they should be perfect, that's not the real world.
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: koods]
#21763150 - 06/04/15 08:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: How can one not find it appalling that the police are responsible for almost 10% of the homicides in the US.
how many of those are justifiable homicides?
seems most liberals want guns taken from the citizens leaving only cops and criminals with guns
what will that do to that statistic
Cops are criminals.
you're a criminal
still doesnt answer my question, how many police shootings are justifiable?
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: qman]
#21763187 - 06/04/15 08:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think they are supposed to be perfect, but I do hold them to a higher standard when it comes to stressful situations. And if they're trigger happy and kill innocent people because of it, they should have to answer for it.
I've said in previous comments, I don't condemn police in any manner and I believe most of them are good people, but I don't think they should all be innocent for their actions and in this particular situation, I think this cop was wrong.
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SirShroomsAlott said: Koods is correct in this situation, I've seen the statistics myself, cops don't even rank in the top 10 most dangerous jobs. Mine actually happens to be in the top 10. He didn't say cops don't have dangerous jobs, he said they don't have the most dangerous job, big difference in wording and meaning there.
depends on which list you go by, most list cops as one of the top most dangerous professions
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Re: Seriously unjustified shooting by a cop [Re: Prisoner#1]
#21763199 - 06/04/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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dangerous for the people they shoot
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