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Revolution in America - Unrealistic? 1
#21760465 - 06/04/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is the idea really that farfetched?
You guys are headed down a dark path. Your avg salary is shit (below $30k/yr), minimum wage is shit ($7.25 for adults), the police force is on a major power trip, rioting throughout the country, bloodthirsty and extremely secretive military, absolutely insane national debt (approaching $20 trillion), which in turn only puts more pressure on the citizens, a government that pumps propaganda and that the people seem to hate anyway, starting wars to divert attention from domestic issues, whipping the nation up into a united frenzy. The list goes on. I'm sure there's a lot more that I'm completely unaware of also.
I understand national pride and patriotism and the role it plays in every countries society, but God damn, you guys are on struggle street, or so it seems from an outside (and rather uneducated) perspective. I'm sure there's a shit ton of knowledge of both the better and worse aspects of the whole joint that I'm missing. It just seems that the people are extremely unhappy with the position they're in, and the idea of revolution doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all.
Or I could just be thinking way over the top. Discuss
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760491 - 06/04/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no the idea isn't that farfetched but here in the US it's going to have to get a lot worse for folks her to put their life(career, family, big screen tv comfort, etc in jeopardy. I talk about this all the time to family and friends and they just kind of look at me like "huh?" They obviously don't get it and never will until "shit hits the fan whatever that shit may be
I feel like the American people have gone too long without testing our government. I see people clashing and protesting their government all the time in other countries. Our govt has gotten too big and americans have been asleep for a long time. I remember the term "checks and balances" in school when I was young. Maybe it's time to put that theory into use
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760497 - 06/04/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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like we're paying off that debt......we'll bomb it away
and being a reasonably looking white guy really helps.
but the media blowing everything out of proportion doesnt help.
at this point the average citizen doesnt get fucked with like you think or really notice a change except on TV and the news and they are either too busy to do something about it or just dont give a fuck
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: weirdguy32]
#21760511 - 06/04/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the medias ability to influence the general populations way of thinking would have a large impact on this. I see it here, the media whips the population into a frenzy over an incident, and then within 2 weeks it's gone from everybody's mind. It may seem like a shitty example, but I'm at a loss here. Oppression of the people is going to sneak up, like it currently is. The odd bill here and there to allow the government one more inch into somebody's private life. Soon privacy will be non-existent. It'll eventually get to the point where the noose is too tight, it will be too late to change, to revolt. I recently read a book, 1984, by George Orwell that paints this picture perfectly. It may seem like a ludicrous idea, but really, it's scarily possible.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760518 - 06/04/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank for the news I didnt know any of this!
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All the signs seem to point towards an eventual economic collapse .. the current system is unsustainable.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760530 - 06/04/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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here in the uk your always under they eye of 'big brother' and we nearly ended up with the 'thought police' when they was going to change the human rights act. was a close 1
if u like orwells 1984 try Aldous Huxley's brave new world similar sort of novel im sure you will like it!
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760538 - 06/04/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually the patriot act just recently died out, then they put in another bill similar to it but idk they are doin a bunch of political bullshit.
this new bill makes it so the NSA doesnt collect any phone records or texts or whatever - that is up to the carriers choice. but the big difference now is law enforcement agencies no longer have control over them, they have to get a warrant to go through the phone companies to collect evidence
a very small step in the right direction
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21760541 - 06/04/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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chopstick said: All the signs seem to point towards an eventual economic collapse .. the current system is unsustainable.
Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.
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mustangbob3 said: here in the uk your always under they eye of 'big brother' and we nearly ended up with the 'thought police' when they was going to change the human rights act. was a close 1
if u like orwells 1984 try Aldous Huxley's brave new world similar sort of novel im sure you will like it!
Big Brother already exists for the Americans, on the net anyway. And all of us through our phones. Cheers for the suggestion, I'll definitely pick it up soon
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760553 - 06/04/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nuds said:
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chopstick said: All the signs seem to point towards an eventual economic collapse .. the current system is unsustainable.
Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.
Well, actually only a small % of our debt is owed to China... an equal amount is owed to the Federal Reserve and other private corporations / individuals.
Such is the scam that is our central banking system.
The problem is that there will always be more debt than there will be actual money in our money supply. Literally impossible to pay it off. So how do we solve this problem? More debt...
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760559 - 06/04/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But where does this road lead to? When does it end?
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760560 - 06/04/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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we wont pay it back
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760561 - 06/04/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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china gets rich off of the uk. most uk scrap metal is shipped and sold to china who buy it dirt cheap. they then use to make things that are mainly plastic with the odd metal piece and sell back too Europe at a mark up in tvs ect
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760562 - 06/04/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think they have managed to get the people hating each other sufficiently enough to stop and uprising.
they have half the people against guns. (when you are fighting a government you need guns or they will just put you in jail where you cant mount an uprising).
they have half the people racist or quasi racist (divided numbers makes it so you cant stand together, even if you are together).
they have it so that mind opening drugs are illegal (means that people find it harder to see when they are being brainwashed).
they have control of the information flow (makes it pretty hard to disseminate information against the fascists)
they have been creating a force of brainwashed 'merkkka' patriots who are so consumed by the religion of the USA that they cant see they are destroying it.
unfortunely we may be a long ways off from where we need to be.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
#21760565 - 06/04/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seems highly unlikely right now. However, I think we will see worldwide economic collapse in our lifetime.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760567 - 06/04/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey man you guys are in the same boat They basicly took away your right to defend your selves with your gun laws. at least in the US we try to keep our second ammendment rights intact. Our manufacturing capabilities have gone the way of the DoDo bird. I hate to say it but for the most part your posts are close to 100% right. Keep the masses pacified with the next big thing then take another inch no one will notice.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760570 - 06/04/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nuds said: But where does this road lead to? When does it end?
Just take a look at europe.
Take a look at greece.
Massive sweeping austerity measures.
Heavy cuts to wages, pensions, retirements, etc.
Gov't taking $ out of ppl's bank accounts like in cyprus.
Economic misery.
Heavy banking controls - you can only withdraw so much cash.
The attempts to limit cash to prevent bank runs.
The bankers really do own all of us. And they have the entire world (almost the entire world) gridlocked in massive amounts of unpayable debt.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: r00tuuu123] 1
#21760582 - 06/04/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is as bad as you speak.
Its very bad.
It is absolutely NOT far fetched that a revolution will be attempted. Many states are wanting a seperation from the 'United' Feds anyways. So as soon as a revolution takes a fair hold, many states may very well jump on board. And it could turn into a civil war.
I estimate well before 2020 that events like this will occur. I honestly think either that or world war three will be in full process by the end of 2016.
How will I be involved? Ill be in the forest, setting up a survival scene. Living off the land with a small group of similar individuals. I see being part of a revolution as like being part of a terrorist group, its fucking suicide. Our military is so strong and has so much technology, so much surveilance. I do believe the people have a chance. But i will not take part. Ill be in the woods surviving, so when both sides kill each other off, ill be a survivor, ready to shape the new world.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760585 - 06/04/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not unrealistic, but maybe unwarranted. Think about what you posted: You're calling for revolution because the average minimum wage is under 30k/year? Give me a break. People want revolution because of net and smartphone surveillance? Oh, woe is me, my $900 iphone is being monitored.
The vast majority of Americans have their basic needs met: electricity, running water, food, and healthcare. Those that have the audacity to complain are usually teenagers in the midst of childhood angst. Travel to a third world country, see some real struggle and your perspective changes.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760590 - 06/04/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what we are seeing is the start of collapse, if they restructure they can do this for another 100 years. they simply have to come up with a way to seperate wealth from money, divide the money. so the average person feels free and is actually a slave.
thats been the tune of the last 100 years, but the notion of wealth and power is shifting.
jobs are slavery.
facebook is also slavery.
shroomery isnt really because its primarily subversive... but it still leaks in.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
#21760603 - 06/04/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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we are all slaves and you cant opt out of it! your born into it. any and all governments employ 'human management systems' and derive and base the system on profit. you can leave one human 'farm' or country but will only find yourself in a different kind of 'farm'
in governments eyes we are livestock and we make profits for the coffers. this give us some personal freedoms to keep us happy and and happy person works harder and so on.
when a government borrows money its not on trusts they take it out on their citizens or 'livestock'. literally, they use projection forcasts to prove they can afford it... say if they have 1000 citizens over 10 years they will on average make x amount in tax revenue ect.
this is how they secure money. its a profit led system. if you look after your citizens by giving certain freedoms put contain or control by taking others away it makes a situation where the citizen carry on making the powerful more powerful and the masses are appeased and let it happen and dont ask for too much more freedoms.
they only give more freedoms after everythings gone to shit as a way of saying even tho we done that to you stick with us and let us do it some more.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: badchad]
#21760605 - 06/04/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rxb said: i think they have managed to get the people hating each other sufficiently enough to stop and uprising.
they have half the people against guns. (when you are fighting a government you need guns or they will just put you in jail where you cant mount an uprising).
they have half the people racist or quasi racist (divided numbers makes it so you cant stand together, even if you are together).
they have it so that mind opening drugs are illegal (means that people find it harder to see when they are being brainwashed).
they have control of the information flow (makes it pretty hard to disseminate information against the fascists)
they have been creating a force of brainwashed 'merkkka' patriots who are so consumed by the religion of the USA that they cant see they are destroying it.
unfortunely we may be a long ways off from where we need to be.
Common ground is found through war. Everyone can unite in a frenzy of bloody hatred for the enemy that always exists.
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All We Perceive said: Seems highly unlikely right now. However, I think we will see worldwide economic collapse in our lifetime.
Which could lead to... revolution? 
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r00tuuu123 said: Hey man you guys are in the same boat They basicly took away your right to defend your selves with your gun laws. at least in the US we try to keep our second ammendment rights intact. Our manufacturing capabilities have gone the way of the DoDo bird. I hate to say it but for the most part your posts are close to 100% right. Keep the masses pacified with the next big thing then take another inch no one will notice. 
Haha I hate to say it, because I'm sure you've heard it all before, but look at the differences in violence in our countries. It seems there's a massacre in the US every week. Western countries can't compete with countries like China and India in the manufacturing industry, not as long as the minimum wage exists. Those countries will grow rich from their exploitation. With money comes power
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badchad said: Not unrealistic, but maybe unwarranted. Think about what you posted: You're calling for revolution because the average minimum wage is under 30k/year? Give me a break. People want revolution because of net and smartphone surveillance? Oh, woe is me, my $900 iphone is being monitored.
The vast majority of Americans have their basic needs met: electricity, running water, food, and healthcare. Those that have the audacity to complain are usually teenagers in the midst of childhood angst. Travel to a third world country, see some real struggle and your perspective changes.
I'm not calling for revolution, I'm discussing the idea that maybe it's not as farfetched an idea as you've just made it out to be. There is perspective, sure, I've seen it man, it's not good having kids tugging on your sleeves for food, gaunt faces with desperate eyes, it's breaks your heart, but it doesn't mean you have to be content with the way your (seemingly not so corrupt ) government is handling your own country.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760613 - 06/04/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.
Technically yes but The US can turn around and say fuck off we ain't paying you. But our manufacturing base is so weak we get probably 90% of our stuff from China.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
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badchad said: Not unrealistic, but maybe unwarranted. Think about what you posted: You're calling for revolution because the average minimum wage is under 30k/year? Give me a break. People want revolution because of net and smartphone surveillance? Oh, woe is me, my $900 iphone is being monitored.
The vast majority of Americans have their basic needs met: electricity, running water, food, and healthcare. Those that have the audacity to complain are usually teenagers in the midst of childhood angst. Travel to a third world country, see some real struggle and your perspective changes.
Yeah, we take a lot of things for granted in america.
But do you ever stop and think why most "third world" countries are living in such shitty conditions in the first place, despite often having very large quantities of indigenous natural resources? Enough to enrich the local population?
Their countries have already been raped and pillaged for all they were worth, their central governments are often vassals who bow down to US interests, they are saddled with huge amounts of paper debts, and so they are forced to sell out their bountiful natural resources to Western corporations to pay off their "debt".
Their utility companies, water, electric, etc. are often privatized and owned by Western corporations, resulting in huge utility bills, which further puts the country in debt.
Libya for example was the most prosperous nation in Africa - they had publicly owned utilities, gas and electricity was practically free for the average citizen. (17 cents per gallon was what the average person paid.) Their natural resources were actually used by the government to enrich the people and the population. People were happy. Then, they got bombed back into the stone-age by US/NATO and now half the country is ruled by islamic extremists.
Another good example would be Ukraine. Recently, there was a coup, and now they are selling off all of their bountiful farm lands (the most prized in Europe) too Monsanto to be sowed with massive amounts of GMO poison - all so they can pay off their debt to the IMF central bankers.
You see, the USA doesn't like it when a country refuses to whore out its natural resources for western corporate interests - often resulting in military intervention, assassinations, and regime change to a pro-US vassal.
The current system.. the way the world is currently run.. completely cheats hundreds of millions of people out of a happy life. Just because some of us have it a little easier in America - does NOT make it okay.
And even in America.. millions of us are stuck working shitty jobs in what is essentially a form of financial slavery. Where is the happiness in that?
The existing world order is a complete sham built on war and dominance. The West has built an empire, whether most people realize it or not.
For the world to change, the empire will have to fall.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760642 - 06/04/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nuds said: Is the idea really that farfetched?
You guys are headed down a dark path. Your avg salary is shit (below $30k/yr), minimum wage is shit ($7.25 for adults), the police force is on a major power trip, rioting throughout the country, bloodthirsty and extremely secretive military, absolutely insane national debt (approaching $20 trillion), which in turn only puts more pressure on the citizens, a government that pumps propaganda and that the people seem to hate anyway, starting wars to divert attention from domestic issues, whipping the nation up into a united frenzy. The list goes on. I'm sure there's a lot more that I'm completely unaware of also.
I understand national pride and patriotism and the role it plays in every countries society, but God damn, you guys are on struggle street, or so it seems from an outside (and rather uneducated) perspective. I'm sure there's a shit ton of knowledge of both the better and worse aspects of the whole joint that I'm missing. It just seems that the people are extremely unhappy with the position they're in, and the idea of revolution doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all.
Or I could just be thinking way over the top. Discuss
So I read this stupid article just now
http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem
Combine that with so many people getting shot each day.
at times, I think it's lost.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760660 - 06/04/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nuds said: Haha I hate to say it, because I'm sure you've heard it all before, but look at the differences in violence in our countries. It seems there's a massacre in the US every week.
You live in a country with a population that is roughly 11 times smaller than the US on the same sized land mass Your argument doesn't hold water.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Beanhead]
#21760679 - 06/04/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Let's not forget the front page news about Caitlyn Jenner. Important stuff guys, important stuff
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Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.
Technically yes but The US can turn around and say fuck off we ain't paying you. But our manufacturing base is so weak we get probably 90% of our stuff from China.
Not in this world buddy
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: r00tuuu123]
#21760682 - 06/04/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You think that justifies the behaviour 
actually
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: r00tuuu123]
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Man, everything you say I'm trying to counter with research and links, but it's too damn hard on a phone
Check this one out though, http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime
I think the statistics speak for themselves. I don't want to get into a gun debate, because frankly it's not up to me whether people wish to own one or not, but I bet America's murder rate wouldn't be so damn high if it weren't for how easy it is to obtain a gun
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
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nuds said: Man, everything you say I'm trying to counter with research and links, but it's too damn hard on a phone
Check this one out though, http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime
I think the statistics speak for themselves. I don't want to get into a gun debate, because frankly it's not up to me whether people wish to own one or not, but I bet America's murder rate wouldn't be so damn high if it weren't for how easy it is to obtain a gun
because you've never seen the other side.
limiting guns makes people kill with knives.
the gun issue, is one of brainwashing. to hear you speak it, if you had a gun you would kill people, and thats just not true.
when guns are illegal only the wrong people have guns (governments and criminals)... when guns are legal then anyone can defend THEMSELVES against governments and criminals.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
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how many governments are on the planet?
how many do you think are truly good?
and those are the people you choose to be the most heavily armed?
what would happen if we disarmed the governments?
what would happen if we disarmed all but a few governments?
what happens if we disarm the people?
what happens if we disarm all but a few people?
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
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rxb said: how many governments are on the planet?
how many do you think are truly good?
and those are the people you choose to be the most heavily armed?
what would happen if we disarmed the governments?
what would happen if we disarmed all but a few governments?
what happens if we disarm the people?
what happens if we disarm all but a few people?
Guns aren't difficult to make, if you disarm more custom firearms will pop up.
And yiu can't stop the black market anyway so fat chance of disarming any population
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
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rxb said: how many governments are on the planet?
how many do you think are truly good?
and those are the people you choose to be the most heavily armed?
what would happen if we disarmed the governments?
what would happen if we disarmed all but a few governments?
what happens if we disarm the people?
what happens if we disarm all but a few people?
Guns aren't difficult to make, if you disarm more custom firearms will pop up.
And yiu can't stop the black market anyway so fat chance of disarming any population
and i agree. but when its illegal you are back to the same 2 bad choices. criminals and governments
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
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Yeah I completely understand where you're coming from, and I understand that crime rates in America would also be much higher due to a heavier gang culture/organized crime (cartels), but I still stand by the statement that less people would die if guns weren't so easily accessible (I'm also not saying I'm against people owning guns, or even America's gun laws, I'm making a statement).
I think it'd be much easier to pull a trigger and send a hollow point into someone and mince the shit out of them than to stab them to death.
Anyway...
At least you can be safe in the knowledge that the people wouldn't have a problem arming themselves if they were to ever revolt, unless the government had quietly slipped a noose around that neck too.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
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and criminals arent bad per say.
clearly many people if not most people on the shroomery are criminals.
but all the good criminals in the world, wont stop governments and bad criminals.
for that we need non-criminals with guns too.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
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Bad criminals won't even be able to exist if the government were to play it's cards right. The only criminal would be them, and the people would be too caught up in a mixture of blind love and fear to do much about it. Kind of like Stalin's Russia... or North Korea.
Might be hard to draw parallels between communist dictatorships and democracy, but the boundary is there, and it can definitely get blurry.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
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im an anarchist.
its not difficult for me to compare evil governments to evil governments
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Quite possibly the longest most consistent run of stupid I have ever read here.
Third world countries suck because they are stupid and accept corrupt rulers. Poor people suck and are poor because they are stupid and make stupid choices. Libya was never the most prosperous nation in Africa. South Africa was. I'm not going to bother explaining why and the deposing of Gaddafi was because of the French and in particular the pushing of that arch cunt Bernard Henri-Levy. Reagan had already pacified Gaddafy. rxb says he is an anarchist but wants to redistribute wealth. Guess what, pal, the rich are going to do even better under anarchy because they can buy private armies. You would be a slave
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
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thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.
but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.
and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...
i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Hahahaha I'll try not to kick start a discussion on something that I find as an interesting (or not so interesting) possibility next time. Who cares if you think it's stupid. You're an old man, you're supposed to be wise, not conceited and cynical. Poor people can't help being poor, not the large majority anyway. Go to Africa and abuse the starving kids for being stupid and making shit decisions, I'm sure it'll make you feel better.
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thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.
but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.
and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...
i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.
I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
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The US is doing fine if you close your eyes and don't ever read anything
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Patlal]
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It's doing better than just about everywhere else. But we would be doing a lot better if we got rid of all the socialists. They are why Europe is fucked and China is fucked and India is somewhat ascendent
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The national debt and personal debts (Credit cards, mortgages) can never be paid off and the debts will only grow larger. For one reason, money is put into circulation only as debt with interest, with the power of fractional reserve banking when you use your credit cards or borrow money for business or a home loan you are creating and spending new money into circulation. The interest of all national and personal debts added on the principle definitely well exceeds the amount of the money supply. Next, if no borrowing took place. Then slowly over time the interest rate would siphon out the money supply and there would be a major slow-down in the economy, then people will lose their jobs and not be able to pay their mortgage or credit cards. After that what happens is repossessions of property by the lenders. The ones who really win are the money changers, in the end they get it all. Since the debts can never be paid, the monetary system is nothing but a game of musical chairs of getting rid of your debt and putting it on someone else.
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lol you just paid your debt using someones else debt and down the pyramid scheme it goes...
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well, you can't get rid of them and the newer generations a more and more educated so more and more socialistic.
Basically, either you'll have to adapt or you're gonna become a very sad old man
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actually the patriot act just recently died out, then they put in another bill similar to it but idk they are doin a bunch of political bullshit.
this new bill makes it so the NSA doesnt collect any phone records or texts or whatever - that is up to the carriers choice. but the big difference now is law enforcement agencies no longer have control over them, they have to get a warrant to go through the phone companies to collect evidence
a very small step in the right direction
Indeed the Patriot Act has ended, and they are working on passing the USA Freedom Act. The one problem is it doesn't eliminate Executive Order 12333 or NSLs, which were–and still are–the NSA's way of intercepting/taking everyone's information.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
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rxb says he is an anarchist but wants to redistribute wealth.
thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.
but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.
and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...
i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.
I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
Why should the USA want to compete in the global market? If a country (let's say China) pays its workers only 10 cents a day, do you want to pit the workers of your nation against those?
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No I didn't. I pay it with my production. Take your stupid shit back to Karl Marx college.
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Well, you can't get rid of them and the newer generations a more and more uneducated so more and more socialistic.
fixed it for yaQuote:
Basically, either you'll have to adapt or you're gonna become a very sad old man
I don't have to adapt. I'm going to be dead before these idiots squander what I have built
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thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.
but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.
and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...
i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.
I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
Why should the USA want to compete in the global market? If a country (let's say China) pays its workers only 10 cents a day, do you want to pit the workers of your nation against those?
Yes.
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I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
Why should the USA want to compete in the global market? If a country (let's say China) pays its workers only 10 cents a day, do you want to pit the workers of your nation against those?
Yes.
Why though? Are you saying that you want to see the standards of life plummet for the workers of your nation, just so that capitalists like you can make a bit more money?
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It benefits the consumer as well. The ones who actually earn moey. Are you a Luddite? Or do you just think we can't compete? Get rid of the corporate tax and watch what happens. What country has the most successful companies?
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zappaisgod said: It benefits the consumer as well. The ones who actually earn moey. Are you a Luddite? Or do you just think we can't compete? Get rid of the corporate tax and watch what happens. What country has the most successful companies?
When all the workers of your nation lose their jobs to cheap China labor, there will be no consumers left to "benefit" from it. This is what will ultimately happen if we take your position to its logical conclusion.
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I don't think so. Nor do I care. If you can't compete you can't compete and we have a whole cadre of idiots crying for a national minimum wage that is grotesque but irrelevant to exports. Then we tax the fuck out of most businesses except certain favored ones and force companies to sequester foreign profits that they have already paid taxes on in the countries where they were earned. We are ruled by retards and I suspect our socialist cohort here would be even worse.
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zappaisgod said: If you can't compete you can't compete
So we should cut all benefits to the disabled folks and watch them die right in the street. Gotcha.
Competition isn't always good. Back when it was only among the USA, I'd say it was a good thing because it spurred technological advancement. But nowadays "competition" with nations in the Third World has lost all the merit because these countries, they don't "play fair". They try to come out ahead by sacrificing the standards of living for their workers and these workers are exploited. This kind of "competition", (what is you are advocating essentially) is bad and those of us who are in the First World should avoid it.
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zappa likes to assess people according to their economic output, and if workers are found to be unable to perform, they get purged.
I am glad someone like him is not our president (not yet anyway, what with the way things are going)
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So we should cut all benefits to the disabled folks and watch them die right in the street. Gotcha.
Competition isn't always good. Back when it was only among the USA, I'd say it was a good thing because it spurred technological advancement. But nowadays "competition" with nations in the Third World has lost all the merit because these countries, they don't "play fair". They try to come out ahead by sacrificing the standards of living for their workers and these workers are exploited. This kind of "competition", (what is you are advocating essentially) is bad and those of us who are in the First World should avoid it.
It never was only "among" the USA. We vaulted ahead with innovation and we still do that today. If you gave a fuck about indigenous American workers you would demand the deportation of all the illegal fucks. That would raise wages and employ Americans. There is some work that cannot be sent offshore. Like construction and agriculture.
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I am actually with you on that one. I think all the illegal immigrants in the States ought to be sent back (one way or another)
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I am glad someone like him is not our president (not yet anyway, what with the way things are going)
The only people I want purged are the illegals. If you are genuinely disabled I can support charity for you but if you aren't and you can't produce you have no excuse.
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I am glad someone like him is not our president (not yet anyway, what with the way things are going)
The only people I want purged are the illegals. If you are genuinely disabled I can support charity for you but if you aren't and you can't produce you have no excuse.
I am a bit confused by this. So are you advocating some form of eugenics? Cause I am actually very on-board with that.
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I am in favor of putting every illegal on a plane to Tierra del Fuego. I don't care if they are from Poland or Ireland or China or wherever. Tierra del Fuego seems about right.
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We can dream but that will never happen. The liberals in our countries simply LURVE dem illegals.
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It isn't just the liberals. The Chamber of Commerce is a very influential organization and they want them in. I won't have anything to do with them. They are sell out whores.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21763064 - 06/04/15 08:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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People complain about illegals but do you really want to do all the shit work like scrubbing toilets and cutting my lawn? Someone needs to fill that workforce but I am not about to volunteer. And if an illegal does become successful and builds a business than that's great. This country needs more motivated people.
I am however against illegals receiving free healthcare, food stamps and any other benefits but then again... I'm really against those handouts for anyone.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Detached]
#21763359 - 06/04/15 09:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm just trying to enjoy my life until this happens. It will happen. Just don't know when.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Detached]
#21763718 - 06/04/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah they shouldn't be getting social programs, they are illegal. Once they register on anything, that should set off a redflag for them to be picked up and deported.
Edited by CaptainKurt (06/04/15 10:30 PM)
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21763729 - 06/04/15 10:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It isn't just the liberals. The Chamber of Commerce is a very influential organization and they want them in. I won't have anything to do with them. They are sell out whores.
Is this Chamber of Commerce made up of business owners (who want the illegal immigrant cheap labor)? Is it like a lobby group?
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21765722 - 06/05/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The revolution will not be televised.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: PandaBruja13]
#21765811 - 06/05/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'll just put this here; man, this is some funny stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=597&v=Blw-ZaY_V70
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Detached]
#21765825 - 06/05/15 12:56 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Detached said: People complain about illegals but do you really want to do all the shit work like scrubbing toilets and cutting my lawn? Someone needs to fill that workforce but I am not about to volunteer. And if an illegal does become successful and builds a business than that's great. This country needs more motivated people.
I am however against illegals receiving free healthcare, food stamps and any other benefits but then again... I'm really against those handouts for anyone.
I did those shit jobs when I was young. It was work. I got paid. It wasn't welfare. Anybody who gets government assistance should have to work unless they are severely disabled.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21765826 - 06/05/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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WAN said:
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zappaisgod said: It isn't just the liberals. The Chamber of Commerce is a very influential organization and they want them in. I won't have anything to do with them. They are sell out whores.
Is this Chamber of Commerce made up of business owners (who want the illegal immigrant cheap labor)? Is it like a lobby group?
Yes. A big one
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21765860 - 06/05/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if america is anything like the uk then there is not enough jobs for everyone to have a job let alone one that pays well.
thats why we have a benefit system.
because the government cant guarantee everybody jobs so they cant let their citizens starve to death or live in poverty at no fault of their own. government rely on populus growth to keep the economy strong so they need the citizens and to keep them happy and productive.
its about equal rights and opportunity too.
if a poor person with no job cant get out of work benefits he will never be able to better himself and never contribute with taxes. no one would give a job to a scruffy homeless guy!!! but someone on benefits can hold a home ect and get that job when it comes along. its in governments interest to support them so they are eventually in a position to contribute.
say what im saying.
some cheat for benefits but thats the minority imo
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21765891 - 06/05/15 01:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We have over 10 million illegals working. That's 10 million jobs Americans should be doing.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21765910 - 06/05/15 01:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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WAN said:
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zappaisgod said: It isn't just the liberals. The Chamber of Commerce is a very influential organization and they want them in. I won't have anything to do with them. They are sell out whores.
Is this Chamber of Commerce made up of business owners (who want the illegal immigrant cheap labor)? Is it like a lobby group?
Yes. A big one
zappa you just gave me an idea for my next thread in Politics
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21765912 - 06/05/15 01:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah we have that problem here to but most are legal foreign workers because the eu shit. they work for less so get the jobs over british people. but even if they wasnt here the amount on out of work benefits out-weighs the amount of positions that would be made available.
its only getting worse here to. immigration is out of control and as long as we are kissing the rest of eu ass nothing can change it and with every new country that gain membership sees a new influx of migrant workers ready to work all hours for less.
ive heard it said that within 4 generations if influx continues british people will be a minority group in our own country!!
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21768279 - 06/05/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I used to think it might be possible but sadly I've long since given up on the idea. Maybe further down the track but I don't see it happening in our life times.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: shroomfreak]
#21768638 - 06/06/15 01:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dont think in 4 generations is my lifetime lol  i will be long gone lol
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