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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762222 - 06/04/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hahahaha I'll try not to kick start a discussion on something that I find as an interesting (or not so interesting) possibility next time. Who cares if you think it's stupid. You're an old man, you're supposed to be wise, not conceited and cynical. Poor people can't help being poor, not the large majority anyway. Go to Africa and abuse the starving kids for being stupid and making shit decisions, I'm sure it'll make you feel better.
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zappaisgod
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
#21762246 - 06/04/15 04:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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rxb says he is an anarchist but wants to redistribute wealth.
thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.
but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.
and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...
i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.
I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762348 - 06/04/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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The US is doing fine if you close your eyes and don't ever read anything
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Patlal]
#21762420 - 06/04/15 05:13 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's doing better than just about everywhere else. But we would be doing a lot better if we got rid of all the socialists. They are why Europe is fucked and China is fucked and India is somewhat ascendent
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The national debt and personal debts (Credit cards, mortgages) can never be paid off and the debts will only grow larger. For one reason, money is put into circulation only as debt with interest, with the power of fractional reserve banking when you use your credit cards or borrow money for business or a home loan you are creating and spending new money into circulation. The interest of all national and personal debts added on the principle definitely well exceeds the amount of the money supply. Next, if no borrowing took place. Then slowly over time the interest rate would siphon out the money supply and there would be a major slow-down in the economy, then people will lose their jobs and not be able to pay their mortgage or credit cards. After that what happens is repossessions of property by the lenders. The ones who really win are the money changers, in the end they get it all. Since the debts can never be paid, the monetary system is nothing but a game of musical chairs of getting rid of your debt and putting it on someone else.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21762498 - 06/04/15 05:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always paid my debts.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762504 - 06/04/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol you just paid your debt using someones else debt and down the pyramid scheme it goes...
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Patlal
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762526 - 06/04/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It's doing better than just about everywhere else. But we would be doing a lot better if we got rid of all the socialists. They are why Europe is fucked and China is fucked and India is somewhat ascendent
Well, you can't get rid of them and the newer generations a more and more educated so more and more socialistic.
Basically, either you'll have to adapt or you're gonna become a very sad old man
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actually the patriot act just recently died out, then they put in another bill similar to it but idk they are doin a bunch of political bullshit.
this new bill makes it so the NSA doesnt collect any phone records or texts or whatever - that is up to the carriers choice. but the big difference now is law enforcement agencies no longer have control over them, they have to get a warrant to go through the phone companies to collect evidence
a very small step in the right direction
Indeed the Patriot Act has ended, and they are working on passing the USA Freedom Act. The one problem is it doesn't eliminate Executive Order 12333 or NSLs, which were–and still are–the NSA's way of intercepting/taking everyone's information.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762635 - 06/04/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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rxb said:
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rxb says he is an anarchist but wants to redistribute wealth.
thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.
but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.
and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...
i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.
I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
Why should the USA want to compete in the global market? If a country (let's say China) pays its workers only 10 cents a day, do you want to pit the workers of your nation against those?
Edited by WAN (06/04/15 06:25 PM)
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: CaptainKurt]
#21762640 - 06/04/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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CaptainKurt said: lol you just paid your debt using someones else debt and down the pyramid scheme it goes...
No I didn't. I pay it with my production. Take your stupid shit back to Karl Marx college.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Patlal]
#21762652 - 06/04/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It's doing better than just about everywhere else. But we would be doing a lot better if we got rid of all the socialists. They are why Europe is fucked and China is fucked and India is somewhat ascendent
Well, you can't get rid of them and the newer generations a more and more uneducated so more and more socialistic.
fixed it for yaQuote:
Basically, either you'll have to adapt or you're gonna become a very sad old man
I don't have to adapt. I'm going to be dead before these idiots squander what I have built
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21762656 - 06/04/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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rxb said:
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rxb says he is an anarchist but wants to redistribute wealth.
thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.
but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.
and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...
i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.
I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
Why should the USA want to compete in the global market? If a country (let's say China) pays its workers only 10 cents a day, do you want to pit the workers of your nation against those?
Yes.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762708 - 06/04/15 06:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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WAN said:
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zappaisgod said:
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I am fully in favor of eliminating corporate welfare and not the least bit interested in moving it into anything else. I don't think there should be corporate taxation at all. It hampers our ability to compete in the global market. Why you think the poor are smart is a mystery to me. They are almost all blithering idiots and the rich are almost all above average in intelligence.
Why should the USA want to compete in the global market? If a country (let's say China) pays its workers only 10 cents a day, do you want to pit the workers of your nation against those?
Yes.
Why though? Are you saying that you want to see the standards of life plummet for the workers of your nation, just so that capitalists like you can make a bit more money?
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21762726 - 06/04/15 06:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It benefits the consumer as well. The ones who actually earn moey. Are you a Luddite? Or do you just think we can't compete? Get rid of the corporate tax and watch what happens. What country has the most successful companies?
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
#21762747 - 06/04/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: It benefits the consumer as well. The ones who actually earn moey. Are you a Luddite? Or do you just think we can't compete? Get rid of the corporate tax and watch what happens. What country has the most successful companies?
When all the workers of your nation lose their jobs to cheap China labor, there will be no consumers left to "benefit" from it. This is what will ultimately happen if we take your position to its logical conclusion.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21762782 - 06/04/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't think so. Nor do I care. If you can't compete you can't compete and we have a whole cadre of idiots crying for a national minimum wage that is grotesque but irrelevant to exports. Then we tax the fuck out of most businesses except certain favored ones and force companies to sequester foreign profits that they have already paid taxes on in the countries where they were earned. We are ruled by retards and I suspect our socialist cohort here would be even worse.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21762816 - 06/04/15 07:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you can't compete you can't compete
So we should cut all benefits to the disabled folks and watch them die right in the street. Gotcha.
Competition isn't always good. Back when it was only among the USA, I'd say it was a good thing because it spurred technological advancement. But nowadays "competition" with nations in the Third World has lost all the merit because these countries, they don't "play fair". They try to come out ahead by sacrificing the standards of living for their workers and these workers are exploited. This kind of "competition", (what is you are advocating essentially) is bad and those of us who are in the First World should avoid it.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21762828 - 06/04/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappa likes to assess people according to their economic output, and if workers are found to be unable to perform, they get purged.
I am glad someone like him is not our president (not yet anyway, what with the way things are going)
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: WAN]
#21762881 - 06/04/15 07:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: If you can't compete you can't compete
So we should cut all benefits to the disabled folks and watch them die right in the street. Gotcha.
Competition isn't always good. Back when it was only among the USA, I'd say it was a good thing because it spurred technological advancement. But nowadays "competition" with nations in the Third World has lost all the merit because these countries, they don't "play fair". They try to come out ahead by sacrificing the standards of living for their workers and these workers are exploited. This kind of "competition", (what is you are advocating essentially) is bad and those of us who are in the First World should avoid it.
It never was only "among" the USA. We vaulted ahead with innovation and we still do that today. If you gave a fuck about indigenous American workers you would demand the deportation of all the illegal fucks. That would raise wages and employ Americans. There is some work that cannot be sent offshore. Like construction and agriculture.
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