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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
    #21760603 - 06/04/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

we are all slaves and you cant opt out of it!
your born into it.
any and all governments employ 'human management systems' and derive and base the system on profit.
you can leave one human 'farm' or country but will only find yourself in a different kind of 'farm'

in governments eyes we are livestock and we make profits for the coffers.
this give us some personal freedoms to keep us happy and and happy person works harder and so on.

when a government borrows money its not on trusts they take it out on their citizens or 'livestock'.
literally, they use projection forcasts to prove they can afford it...
say if they have 1000 citizens over 10 years they will on average make x amount in tax revenue ect.

this is how they secure money.
its a profit led system.
if you look after your citizens by giving certain freedoms put contain or control by taking others away it makes a situation where the citizen carry on making the powerful more powerful and the masses are appeased and let it happen and dont ask for too much more freedoms.

they only give more freedoms after everythings gone to shit as a way of saying even tho we done that to you stick with us and let us do it some more.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: badchad]
    #21760605 - 06/04/15 07:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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i think they have managed to get the people hating each other sufficiently enough to stop and uprising.

they have half the people against guns. (when you are fighting a government you need guns or they will just put you in jail where you cant mount an uprising).

they have half the people racist or quasi racist (divided numbers makes it so you cant stand together, even if you are together).

they have it so that mind opening drugs are illegal (means that people find it harder to see when they are being brainwashed).

they have control of the information flow (makes it pretty hard to disseminate information against the fascists)

they have been creating a force of brainwashed 'merkkka' patriots who are so consumed by the religion of the USA that they cant see they are destroying it.

unfortunely we may be a long ways off from where we need to be.



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Seems highly unlikely right now.  However, I think we will see worldwide economic collapse in our lifetime.



Which could lead to... revolution? :wink:


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Hey man you guys are in the same boat They basicly took away your right to defend your selves with your gun laws. at least in the US we try to keep our second ammendment rights intact. Our manufacturing capabilities have gone the way of the DoDo bird. I hate to say it but for the most part your posts are close to 100% right. Keep the masses pacified with the next big thing then take another inch no one will notice. :feelsbadman:



Haha I hate to say it, because I'm sure you've heard it all before, but look at the differences in violence in our countries. It seems there's a massacre in the US every week.
Western countries can't compete with countries like China and India in the manufacturing industry, not as long as the minimum wage exists. Those countries will grow rich from their exploitation. With money comes power

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Not unrealistic, but maybe unwarranted.  Think about what you posted:  You're calling for revolution because the average minimum wage is under 30k/year?  Give me a break.  People want revolution because of net and smartphone surveillance?  Oh, woe is me, my $900 iphone is being monitored.

The vast majority of Americans have their basic needs met:  electricity, running water, food, and healthcare.  Those that have the audacity to complain are usually teenagers in the midst of childhood angst.  Travel to a third world country, see some real struggle and your perspective changes.



I'm not calling for revolution, I'm discussing the idea that maybe it's not as farfetched an idea as you've just made it out to be. There is perspective, sure, I've seen it man, it's not good having kids tugging on your sleeves for food, gaunt faces with desperate eyes, it's breaks your heart, but it doesn't mean you have to be content with the way your (seemingly not so corrupt :grin:) government is handling your own country.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
    #21760613 - 06/04/15 07:57 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.


Technically yes but The US can turn around and say fuck off we ain't paying you. But our manufacturing base is so weak  we get probably 90% of our stuff from China.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] * 1
    #21760625 - 06/04/15 08:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Not unrealistic, but maybe unwarranted.  Think about what you posted:  You're calling for revolution because the average minimum wage is under 30k/year?  Give me a break.  People want revolution because of net and smartphone surveillance?  Oh, woe is me, my $900 iphone is being monitored.

The vast majority of Americans have their basic needs met:  electricity, running water, food, and healthcare.  Those that have the audacity to complain are usually teenagers in the midst of childhood angst.  Travel to a third world country, see some real struggle and your perspective changes.





Yeah, we take a lot of things for granted in america.

But do you ever stop and think why most "third world" countries are living in such shitty conditions in the first place, despite often having very large quantities of indigenous natural resources? Enough to enrich the local population?

Their countries have already been raped and pillaged for all they were worth, their central governments are often vassals who bow down to US interests, they are saddled with huge amounts of paper debts, and so they are forced to sell out their bountiful natural resources to Western corporations to pay off their "debt".

Their utility companies, water, electric, etc. are often privatized and owned by Western corporations, resulting in huge utility bills, which further puts the country in debt.

Libya for example was the most prosperous nation in Africa - they had publicly owned utilities, gas and electricity was practically free for the average citizen. (17 cents per gallon was what the average person paid.) Their natural resources were actually used by the government to enrich the people and the population. People were happy. Then, they got bombed back into the stone-age by US/NATO and now half the country is ruled by islamic extremists.

Another good example would be Ukraine. Recently, there was a coup, and now they are selling off all of their bountiful farm lands (the most prized in Europe) too Monsanto to be sowed with massive amounts of GMO poison - all so they can pay off their debt to the IMF central bankers.

You see, the USA doesn't like it when a country refuses to whore out its natural resources for western corporate interests - often resulting in military intervention, assassinations, and regime change to a pro-US vassal.

The current system.. the way the world is currently run.. completely cheats hundreds of millions of people out of a happy life. Just because some of us have it a little easier in America - does NOT make it okay.

And even in America.. millions of us are stuck working shitty jobs in what is essentially a form of financial slavery. Where is the happiness in that?

The existing world order is a complete sham built on war and dominance. The West has built an empire, whether most people realize it or not.

For the world to change, the empire will have to fall.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
    #21760642 - 06/04/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Is the idea really that farfetched?

You guys are headed down a dark path. Your avg salary is shit (below $30k/yr), minimum wage is shit ($7.25 for adults), the police force is on a major power trip, rioting throughout the country, bloodthirsty and extremely secretive military, absolutely insane national debt (approaching $20 trillion), which in turn only puts more pressure on the citizens, a government that pumps propaganda and that the people seem to hate anyway, starting wars to divert attention from domestic issues, whipping the nation up into a united frenzy. The list goes on. I'm sure there's a lot more that I'm completely unaware of also.

I understand national pride and patriotism and the role it plays in every countries society, but God damn, you guys are on struggle street, or so it seems from an outside (and rather uneducated) perspective. I'm sure there's a shit ton of knowledge of both the better and worse aspects of the whole joint that I'm missing.
It just seems that the people are extremely unhappy with the position they're in, and the idea of revolution doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all.

Or I could just be thinking way over the top. Discuss




So I read this stupid article just now

http://www.polygon.com/2015/6/3/8719389/colorblind-on-witcher-3-rust-and-gamings-race-problem

Combine that with so many people getting shot each day.

at times, I think it's lost.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
    #21760660 - 06/04/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Haha I hate to say it, because I'm sure you've heard it all before, but look at the differences in violence in our countries. It seems there's a massacre in the US every week.


You live in a country with a population that is roughly 11 times smaller than the US :lol: on the same sized land mass Your argument doesn't hold water.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: Beanhead]
    #21760679 - 06/04/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Let's not forget the front page news about Caitlyn Jenner. Important stuff guys, important stuff
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Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.


Technically yes but The US can turn around and say fuck off we ain't paying you. But our manufacturing base is so weak  we get probably 90% of our stuff from China.




Not in this world buddy :wink:


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21760682 - 06/04/15 08:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You think that justifies the behaviour :lol:

actually

:feelssadman:


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21760714 - 06/04/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Man, everything you say I'm trying to counter with research and links, but it's too damn hard on a phone  :kingcrankey:

Check this one out though, http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

I think the statistics speak for themselves. I don't want to get into a gun debate, because frankly it's not up to me whether people wish to own one or not, but I bet America's murder rate wouldn't be so damn high if it weren't for how easy it is to obtain a gun


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] * 1
    #21760750 - 06/04/15 08:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Man, everything you say I'm trying to counter with research and links, but it's too damn hard on a phone  :kingcrankey:

Check this one out though, http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Australia/United-States/Crime

I think the statistics speak for themselves. I don't want to get into a gun debate, because frankly it's not up to me whether people wish to own one or not, but I bet America's murder rate wouldn't be so damn high if it weren't for how easy it is to obtain a gun




because you've never seen the other side.

limiting guns makes people kill with knives.

the gun issue, is one of brainwashing. to hear you speak it, if you had a gun you would kill people, and thats just not true.

when guns are illegal only the wrong people have guns (governments and criminals)... when guns are legal then anyone can defend THEMSELVES against governments and criminals.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
    #21760758 - 06/04/15 08:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

how many governments are on the planet?

how many do you think are truly good?


and those are the people you choose to be the most heavily armed?

what would happen if we disarmed the governments?

what would happen if we disarmed all but a few governments?

what happens if we disarm the people?

what happens if we disarm all but a few people?


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
    #21760788 - 06/04/15 09:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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how many governments are on the planet?

how many do you think are truly good?


and those are the people you choose to be the most heavily armed?

what would happen if we disarmed the governments?

what would happen if we disarmed all but a few governments?

what happens if we disarm the people?

what happens if we disarm all but a few people?





Guns aren't difficult to make, if you disarm more custom firearms will pop up.

And yiu can't stop the black market anyway so fat chance of disarming any population


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21760801 - 06/04/15 09:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

3d printers\ guns no joke :lol:


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: KnyggaPlease]
    #21760803 - 06/04/15 09:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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how many governments are on the planet?

how many do you think are truly good?


and those are the people you choose to be the most heavily armed?

what would happen if we disarmed the governments?

what would happen if we disarmed all but a few governments?

what happens if we disarm the people?

what happens if we disarm all but a few people?





Guns aren't difficult to make, if you disarm more custom firearms will pop up.

And yiu can't stop the black market anyway so fat chance of disarming any population




and i agree. but when its illegal you are back to the same 2 bad choices. criminals and governments


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
    #21760810 - 06/04/15 09:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah I completely understand where you're coming from, and I understand that crime rates in America would also be much higher due to a heavier gang culture/organized crime (cartels), but I still stand by the statement that less people would die if guns weren't so easily accessible (I'm also not saying I'm against people owning guns, or even America's gun laws, I'm making a statement).

I think it'd be much easier to pull a trigger and send a hollow point into someone and mince the shit out of them than to stab them to death.

Anyway... :derail:

At least you can be safe in the knowledge that the people wouldn't have a problem arming themselves if they were to ever revolt, unless the government had quietly slipped a noose around that neck too.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
    #21760814 - 06/04/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

and criminals arent bad per say.

clearly many people if not most people on the shroomery are criminals.

but all the good criminals in the world, wont stop governments and bad criminals.

for that we need non-criminals with guns too.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
    #21760830 - 06/04/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bad criminals won't even be able to exist if the government were to play it's cards right. The only criminal would be them, and the people would be too caught up in a mixture of blind love and fear to do much about it. Kind of like Stalin's Russia... or North Korea.

Might be hard to draw parallels between communist dictatorships and democracy, but the boundary is there, and it can definitely get blurry.


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
    #21760833 - 06/04/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

im an anarchist.

its not difficult for me to compare evil governments to evil governments


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
    #21760891 - 06/04/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Quite possibly the longest most consistent run of stupid I have ever read here.

Third world countries suck because they are stupid and accept corrupt rulers.
Poor people suck and are poor because they are stupid and make stupid choices.
Libya was never the most prosperous nation in Africa.  South Africa was.  I'm not going to bother explaining why and the deposing of Gaddafi was because of the French and in particular the pushing of that arch cunt Bernard Henri-Levy.  Reagan had already pacified Gaddafy.
rxb says he is an anarchist but wants to redistribute wealth.  Guess what, pal, the rich are going to do even better under anarchy because they can buy private armies.  You would be a slave


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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21760908 - 06/04/15 09:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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rxb says he is an anarchist but wants to redistribute wealth.




thats NOT true. i dont WANT taxation at all.

but within a system where there is more corporate welfare than any other form.

and where smart kids starve and die because rich dumb kids are going to europe in a g6...

i am in favor of moving the corporate welfare into healthcare and food.


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