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Revolution in America - Unrealistic? 1
#21760465 - 06/04/15 06:43 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is the idea really that farfetched?
You guys are headed down a dark path. Your avg salary is shit (below $30k/yr), minimum wage is shit ($7.25 for adults), the police force is on a major power trip, rioting throughout the country, bloodthirsty and extremely secretive military, absolutely insane national debt (approaching $20 trillion), which in turn only puts more pressure on the citizens, a government that pumps propaganda and that the people seem to hate anyway, starting wars to divert attention from domestic issues, whipping the nation up into a united frenzy. The list goes on. I'm sure there's a lot more that I'm completely unaware of also.
I understand national pride and patriotism and the role it plays in every countries society, but God damn, you guys are on struggle street, or so it seems from an outside (and rather uneducated) perspective. I'm sure there's a shit ton of knowledge of both the better and worse aspects of the whole joint that I'm missing. It just seems that the people are extremely unhappy with the position they're in, and the idea of revolution doesn't seem like such a bad idea after all.
Or I could just be thinking way over the top. Discuss
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760491 - 06/04/15 06:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no the idea isn't that farfetched but here in the US it's going to have to get a lot worse for folks her to put their life(career, family, big screen tv comfort, etc in jeopardy. I talk about this all the time to family and friends and they just kind of look at me like "huh?" They obviously don't get it and never will until "shit hits the fan whatever that shit may be
I feel like the American people have gone too long without testing our government. I see people clashing and protesting their government all the time in other countries. Our govt has gotten too big and americans have been asleep for a long time. I remember the term "checks and balances" in school when I was young. Maybe it's time to put that theory into use
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760497 - 06/04/15 06:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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like we're paying off that debt......we'll bomb it away
and being a reasonably looking white guy really helps.
but the media blowing everything out of proportion doesnt help.
at this point the average citizen doesnt get fucked with like you think or really notice a change except on TV and the news and they are either too busy to do something about it or just dont give a fuck
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: weirdguy32]
#21760511 - 06/04/15 07:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the medias ability to influence the general populations way of thinking would have a large impact on this. I see it here, the media whips the population into a frenzy over an incident, and then within 2 weeks it's gone from everybody's mind. It may seem like a shitty example, but I'm at a loss here. Oppression of the people is going to sneak up, like it currently is. The odd bill here and there to allow the government one more inch into somebody's private life. Soon privacy will be non-existent. It'll eventually get to the point where the noose is too tight, it will be too late to change, to revolt. I recently read a book, 1984, by George Orwell that paints this picture perfectly. It may seem like a ludicrous idea, but really, it's scarily possible.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760518 - 06/04/15 07:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank for the news I didnt know any of this!
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chopstick
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All the signs seem to point towards an eventual economic collapse .. the current system is unsustainable.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760530 - 06/04/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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here in the uk your always under they eye of 'big brother' and we nearly ended up with the 'thought police' when they was going to change the human rights act. was a close 1
if u like orwells 1984 try Aldous Huxley's brave new world similar sort of novel im sure you will like it!
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760538 - 06/04/15 07:14 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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actually the patriot act just recently died out, then they put in another bill similar to it but idk they are doin a bunch of political bullshit.
this new bill makes it so the NSA doesnt collect any phone records or texts or whatever - that is up to the carriers choice. but the big difference now is law enforcement agencies no longer have control over them, they have to get a warrant to go through the phone companies to collect evidence
a very small step in the right direction
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: mustangbob3]
#21760541 - 06/04/15 07:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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chopstick said: All the signs seem to point towards an eventual economic collapse .. the current system is unsustainable.
Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.
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mustangbob3 said: here in the uk your always under they eye of 'big brother' and we nearly ended up with the 'thought police' when they was going to change the human rights act. was a close 1
if u like orwells 1984 try Aldous Huxley's brave new world similar sort of novel im sure you will like it!
Big Brother already exists for the Americans, on the net anyway. And all of us through our phones. Cheers for the suggestion, I'll definitely pick it up soon
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760553 - 06/04/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nuds said:
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chopstick said: All the signs seem to point towards an eventual economic collapse .. the current system is unsustainable.
Ive done minimal research on it and most of my information on this is through other people, but doesn't China have the American economy by the balls at the moment? I'm under the impression that the Chinese can cash in debt that America now owes to them, and cripple the economy when they please.
Well, actually only a small % of our debt is owed to China... an equal amount is owed to the Federal Reserve and other private corporations / individuals.
Such is the scam that is our central banking system.
The problem is that there will always be more debt than there will be actual money in our money supply. Literally impossible to pay it off. So how do we solve this problem? More debt...
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760559 - 06/04/15 07:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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But where does this road lead to? When does it end?
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760560 - 06/04/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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we wont pay it back
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760561 - 06/04/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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china gets rich off of the uk. most uk scrap metal is shipped and sold to china who buy it dirt cheap. they then use to make things that are mainly plastic with the odd metal piece and sell back too Europe at a mark up in tvs ect
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760562 - 06/04/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i think they have managed to get the people hating each other sufficiently enough to stop and uprising.
they have half the people against guns. (when you are fighting a government you need guns or they will just put you in jail where you cant mount an uprising).
they have half the people racist or quasi racist (divided numbers makes it so you cant stand together, even if you are together).
they have it so that mind opening drugs are illegal (means that people find it harder to see when they are being brainwashed).
they have control of the information flow (makes it pretty hard to disseminate information against the fascists)
they have been creating a force of brainwashed 'merkkka' patriots who are so consumed by the religion of the USA that they cant see they are destroying it.
unfortunely we may be a long ways off from where we need to be.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: rxb]
#21760565 - 06/04/15 07:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Seems highly unlikely right now. However, I think we will see worldwide economic collapse in our lifetime.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760567 - 06/04/15 07:31 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey man you guys are in the same boat They basicly took away your right to defend your selves with your gun laws. at least in the US we try to keep our second ammendment rights intact. Our manufacturing capabilities have gone the way of the DoDo bird. I hate to say it but for the most part your posts are close to 100% right. Keep the masses pacified with the next big thing then take another inch no one will notice.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds]
#21760570 - 06/04/15 07:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nuds said: But where does this road lead to? When does it end?
Just take a look at europe.
Take a look at greece.
Massive sweeping austerity measures.
Heavy cuts to wages, pensions, retirements, etc.
Gov't taking $ out of ppl's bank accounts like in cyprus.
Economic misery.
Heavy banking controls - you can only withdraw so much cash.
The attempts to limit cash to prevent bank runs.
The bankers really do own all of us. And they have the entire world (almost the entire world) gridlocked in massive amounts of unpayable debt.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: r00tuuu123] 1
#21760582 - 06/04/15 07:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is as bad as you speak.
Its very bad.
It is absolutely NOT far fetched that a revolution will be attempted. Many states are wanting a seperation from the 'United' Feds anyways. So as soon as a revolution takes a fair hold, many states may very well jump on board. And it could turn into a civil war.
I estimate well before 2020 that events like this will occur. I honestly think either that or world war three will be in full process by the end of 2016.
How will I be involved? Ill be in the forest, setting up a survival scene. Living off the land with a small group of similar individuals. I see being part of a revolution as like being part of a terrorist group, its fucking suicide. Our military is so strong and has so much technology, so much surveilance. I do believe the people have a chance. But i will not take part. Ill be in the woods surviving, so when both sides kill each other off, ill be a survivor, ready to shape the new world.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: nuds] 1
#21760585 - 06/04/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not unrealistic, but maybe unwarranted. Think about what you posted: You're calling for revolution because the average minimum wage is under 30k/year? Give me a break. People want revolution because of net and smartphone surveillance? Oh, woe is me, my $900 iphone is being monitored.
The vast majority of Americans have their basic needs met: electricity, running water, food, and healthcare. Those that have the audacity to complain are usually teenagers in the midst of childhood angst. Travel to a third world country, see some real struggle and your perspective changes.
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Re: Revolution in America - Unrealistic? [Re: chopstick]
#21760590 - 06/04/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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what we are seeing is the start of collapse, if they restructure they can do this for another 100 years. they simply have to come up with a way to seperate wealth from money, divide the money. so the average person feels free and is actually a slave.
thats been the tune of the last 100 years, but the notion of wealth and power is shifting.
jobs are slavery.
facebook is also slavery.
shroomery isnt really because its primarily subversive... but it still leaks in.
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