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Update June 14th: Psilocybe fimetaria still not confirmed entirely after all.. * 1
    #21760422 - 06/04/15 08:18 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Found these yesterday (June 3rd) growing from well manured soil in sheep pasture. Panaeolus papilionaceus growing right next to them.
The spot is in the heart of one of one of the more prolific P. semilanceata habitats in my area. However other typical pasture species also
fruit here in abundance.

Caps hygrophanous, with thin separable gelatinous layer. Spore print purplish brown. At first look I thought Deconica without doubt.
Waking up today checking the prints and taking new gill shots I'm not so sure. Gill attachment looks slightly off for Deconica coprophila.
I also kind of imagine seeing a blueish streak where the stem was broken off. I probably won't get a safe id on these without more info
however I'd like to get some more points of view.













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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21761470 - 06/04/15 02:28 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Looks like a lib to me:shrug:


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: LincolnCityTripper]
    #21761770 - 06/04/15 03:47 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Looks like im seeing some oxidation where the stipe was cut and maybe on the cap margin... or is that just lighting?
Im no expert on either but... the print looks brown (to me) abut their looks to be oxidation on the fruits... but my first thought was also Deconica.
Im just here to :takingnotes: :grin:


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: art2312]
    #21762191 - 06/04/15 05:52 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Well, thanks for the input. I have a correspondence going about this, got some interesting suggestions. We'll see. :bigjoint:


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Anglerfish] * 1
    #21800790 - 06/13/15 06:56 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Okay, so these were sent off for professional scrutiny, and microscopic study reveals that this is indeed
the elusive Psilocybe fimetaria (add Chinese gong sound).

Adding to my excitement is the fact that this is the first officially registered find of this species in Norway!

:smile:

Naturally, I'm then also curious as to whether these are all what I perceive them to be.
They were found less than 150 meters from the P. fimetaria.


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21800810 - 06/13/15 07:04 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

:wooawesome:  :emotionalmoment:  :superscream:

Nice job brotha!


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21800819 - 06/13/15 07:11 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Good work, nice find :super:

Were they growing directly from the dung or around it?


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: TimmiT]
    #21800829 - 06/13/15 07:16 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

These were growing from what I would call very decomposed or "former" dung, it had actually turned
more or less into soil, mainly visible as a dark brown spot with grass starting to protrude through it.

This area is mainly grazed by sheep, and it seems to me that most of the coprophilous fungi rarely
grow directly from sheep manure before it is well decayed.

I'm going to head out there this evening to check for more.


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21801206 - 06/13/15 10:55 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Wow! The very elusive fimetaria! :hellyeah: You gonna be giving spores out?
They are essentially Cubensis, but for temperate climates. I've always wondered why these aren't as widely spread as what Cubensis are!


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: daz01]
    #21801249 - 06/13/15 11:06 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Quote:

daz01 said:
You gonna be giving spores out?




Heh, I only found to specimens, both of which were sent off for microscopy.
I guess they'll end up in the herbarium of the Norwegian Museum of Natural
History and Science.

The rather faint prints I managed to collect were not kept, I'm afraid.
In any case I would believe cloning would be the way to go if one were
to try cultivating this species.

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They are essentially Cubensis, but for temperate climates. I've always wondered why these aren't as widely spread as what Cubensis are!




I don't know about this. They are apparently quite close to P. semilanceata. The species is apparently widespread but not very abundant.
I believe it might be more common than suspected, mainly due to people mistaking them for "odd" P. semilanceata.

However I'll keep the hunt up for these, maybe some time in the future there might be possibilities for a cultivation experiment.
I also urge anyone else interested to get out there and try to locate these.


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21801276 - 06/13/15 11:15 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Also, I thought Stamets reported them as having an annulus?


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: daz01]
    #21801318 - 06/13/15 11:26 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Great job Anglerfish! Congratulations on this very interesting find. :awesomenod:

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They are essentially Cubensis, but for temperate climates. I've always wondered why these aren't as widely spread as what Cubensis are!


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No, they aren't essentially P. Cubensis, they aren't even in Psilocybe sect. Cubensae, but they could be close to P. semilanceata.


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: daz01]
    #21801353 - 06/13/15 11:33 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Also, I thought Stamets reported them as having an annulus?




This is a feature that apparently varies a bit.

Citing Guzman: "Veil well developed as a white cortina that forms a more or less membranous and permanent annulus, but sometimes remaining only as floccose fibrilis on the stipe, white or concolorous with the gills from the spore deposite."

When looking at the collected specimens, which undoubtedly were mature ones, I only observed a fibrillous annular zone.


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: daz01]
    #21801641 - 06/13/15 12:25 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I don't know the specific details here, but Stamets' book is full of mistakes, you should read it with a grain of salt.


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Byrain]
    #21802279 - 06/13/15 02:06 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Damn, man!! Awesome job!! That's super exciting news. Good luck on the continued search!!!!!


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: art2312]
    #21802469 - 06/13/15 03:01 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Awesome find!!!! Well done!


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    #21802500 - 06/13/15 03:11 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Wonderful Anglerfish :raisemyglass:

Any chances of posting some of the microscopy?


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    #21802742 - 06/13/15 04:56 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Awesome find Anglerfish:billymaythumbup:


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: olive]
    #21803114 - 06/13/15 07:00 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Okay, just to sum things up: I told the mycologist who scoped these to P. fimetaria about my finds
of P. semilanceata in the same area. He says he'd like to check these out as well to compare to the
supposedly P. fimetaria. Meaning he's a bit uncertain after all... I'm going to send him some of them
as well, and he's going to get them sequenced. So things are still a bit open.

Exciting, nevertheless!


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Re: Deconica sp. or perhaps early Psilocybe semilanceata? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #21809254 - 06/15/15 06:38 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

That's exciting, looking forward to hearing about the results:awesome:


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