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Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days!
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Man she looks great! Now people are coming to me asking me for "before" photos to see what I looked like prior to transitioning to female. Ive met some people that told me that it was gross and that she was sick in the head. One of these people asked me if I knew anyone who changed gender, after I didn't say anything they continued to bash. In both instances I didn't tell them I was trans, I let them have their opinion because its a free country.
A few days later I ran into one of the people and they could barely look me in the eyes. I just kept my cool and kept talking like I didn't know what was going on. They apologized and said they didn't know, blah blah blah, asked why I didn't tell them.
I asked them what they were talking about and they told me they learned I was trans. I said YEP and kept talking to them like it wasn't a big deal that they disapproved. I told them its a free country and who am I to tell you who to like and accept? Me being black, sometimes I know that some of us tend to overplay the black thing. Makes me sick "why can't there be a black Barbie, or a black Frozen". I'm like, if you want one, go make one lol!
Now I am getting asked questions about dating and how it all works and junk. I wonder who else is going to come out trans this year?
Time to start a betting pool! winner gets SPORES! Lets go!!!
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Macey Howard]
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Personally, I think he looks way better now as a woman, than before when he was getting all those plastic surgeries but still trying to maintain his image as a male.
I don't even know why he got all that plastic surgery as a male, he looked sooooo much better before doing any of that to his face.

But, now that he's transitioned to being a woman, he looks great! It's amazing how much facial reconstruction, jawline and trachea shaves, implants and hormones can turn you into a completely different person!
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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She looks great on the cover of Vanity Fair photographed by one of the greatest photographers of all time after about 57 pounds of makeup was applied. Yah. I'm gonna go ahead and say that we have no idea what she looks from that picture.
By the way, Macey, the NY Times has been all over this trans stuff lately.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/opinion/let-transgender-troops-serve-openly.html
Usually you will get three pieces in the editorial section. Today they took the whole column. I was rather curious as to how that group came up with a figure of 15,500 transgenders in the military so I went to the link in the article which was a policy piece by Jocelyn Elders (We all remember her, right?) and the cite was to this
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e Gary Gates and Jody Herman (forthcoming). Transgender Military Service in the United States, Los Angeles, CA: Williams Institute. Drs. Gates and Herman are in the process of updating their calculations.
Imma gonna go out on a real big limb here and guess that that number might be a tad high. Apparently the brilliant journalists at the NY Times couldn't be bothered to notice that.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm happy for him.
But to receive that courage award is bullshit.
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I could give a shit less what she does. Live and let live
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod] 1
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It's great for such a revolutionary thing to come out mainstream and get so much positive attention. I know a few trans people on a hi-hello basis. But in the end it's just more celebrity news bullshit used to dis-inform media watchers about what is actually happening and what is an actually news-worthy current event. Not that this isnt newsworthy, but to this effect and for this length of time it's turned into a distraction. Big media just found caught a big tasty bite to feed us is all. I commend the Caitlyn and the country for having the courage to do this though, and all people fighting to better social norms.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21764638 - 06/05/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Personally, I think he looks way better now as a woman, than before when he was getting all those plastic surgeries but still trying to maintain his image as a male.
I don't even know why he got all that plastic surgery as a male, he looked sooooo much better before doing any of that to his face.

But, now that he's transitioned to being a woman, he looks great! It's amazing how much facial reconstruction, jawline and trachea shaves, implants and hormones can turn you into a completely different person!
Its SHE... lol and I did the same thing! Went from a huge black guy to an amazon with legs up to my chin. Hormones made my chest grow and I'm afraid that I'm going to end up with boobs like my mom, because they keep growing and getting lower, and lower.... mammograms hurt like a mother. The craziest thing I realized is that I'm going to end an old lady. Never really thought about that till now..
The lower surgery was a piece of cake. I laid on my back and played PlayStation for 2 weeks. Couldn't get stoned though
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said: She looks great on the cover of Vanity Fair photographed by one of the greatest photographers of all time after about 57 pounds of makeup was applied. Yah. I'm gonna go ahead and say that we have no idea what she looks from that picture.
By the way, Macey, the NY Times has been all over this trans stuff lately.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/04/opinion/let-transgender-troops-serve-openly.html
Usually you will get three pieces in the editorial section. Today they took the whole column. I was rather curious as to how that group came up with a figure of 15,500 transgenders in the military so I went to the link in the article which was a policy piece by Jocelyn Elders (We all remember her, right?) and the cite was to this
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e Gary Gates and Jody Herman (forthcoming). Transgender Military Service in the United States, Los Angeles, CA: Williams Institute. Drs. Gates and Herman are in the process of updating their calculations.
Imma gonna go out on a real big limb here and guess that that number might be a tad high. Apparently the brilliant journalists at the NY Times couldn't be bothered to notice that.
The funniest part of this whole story is when Rob K. was sent the pic of Caitlyn J. by Kim K. and the response was "who is this woman, and why should I care?".
Fortunately, the taxpayers apparently will be on the hook for the necessary sex change operations, isn't that great?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: LunarEclipse] 2
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It's a pretty bad reflection on society when the media deems it appropriate to indulge in the delusions of people with a severe mental illness. Why is it not appropriate to praise the delusions of schizophrenics? Why don't we give steroids to young males with body dysmorphia? I think the political correctness surrounding transgenders is setting a precedent for the future treatment of other mental illnesses. And it's not a good precedent.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#21765225 - 06/05/15 09:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Titus_Pullo said: It's a pretty bad reflection on society when the media deems it appropriate to indulge in the delusions of people with a severe mental illness. Why is it not appropriate to praise the delusions of schizophrenics? Why don't we give steroids to young males with body dysmorphia? I think the political correctness surrounding transgenders is setting a precedent for the future treatment of other mental illnesses. And it's not a good precedent.
I really like this thought for the most part, but I disagree with the conclusion. It might be a great precedent. What's the real harm done by enabling people to explore new ways to cope with their mental illnesses (for lack of a better term)? It seems the current popular methods pretty much suck.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#21765377 - 06/05/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Titus_Pullo said: It's a pretty bad reflection on society when the media deems it appropriate to indulge in the delusions of people with a severe mental illness. Why is it not appropriate to praise the delusions of schizophrenics? Why don't we give steroids to young males with body dysmorphia? I think the political correctness surrounding transgenders is setting a precedent for the future treatment of other mental illnesses. And it's not a good precedent.
Nobody seems to care about when a woman formerly known as Bruce rear ended some lady because he was tailgating her, and she died. Of course no charges were filed, he's a star and probably the paparazzi are to blame.
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#21773301 - 06/07/15 09:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Titus_Pullo said: It's a pretty bad reflection on society when the media deems it appropriate to indulge in the delusions of people with a severe mental illness. Why is it not appropriate to praise the delusions of schizophrenics? Why don't we give steroids to young males with body dysmorphia? I think the political correctness surrounding transgenders is setting a precedent for the future treatment of other mental illnesses. And it's not a good precedent.
You do realize the brain and body gender separately? It is just as easy to say it is a physical disorder to have a woman born with a penis.
I doubt you have anything but a pop understanding of sexuality. More likely, you are a nervous heterosexual male who is made undomfortable by the prospect of finding yourself attracted to a woman who still has a penis.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21773346 - 06/07/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Most mental illnesses and diseases have are underscored by a biological/physiological source. That does not mean it shouldn't be treated. Indulging in the delusions of transpeople is not treatment. As I said before all it does is set a precedent for people suffering from other mental illnesses to have their delusions indulged as well.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo]
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As long as the sex change operations are covered by Obamacare, then everybody should be happy "in the end".
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Titus_Pullo said: Most mental illnesses and diseases have are underscored by a biological/physiological source. That does not mean it shouldn't be treated. Indulging in the delusions of transpeople is not treatment. As I said before all it does is set a precedent for people suffering from other mental illnesses to have their delusions indulged as well.
It's not delusional if your brain and body are not the same sex.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: LunarEclipse]
#21773385 - 06/07/15 09:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LunarEclipse said: As long as the sex change operations are covered by Obamacare, then everybody should be happy "in the end".
Covered by obanacare? What does that even mean? Legitimate medical procedures are covered by your insurance plans. I doubt you have any qualifications to determine what is legitimate.
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I believe you are confusing the term sex and gender now.
I thought I was the one with pop-science understanding of sexuality?
Also, since the difference often lies between the body and the brain why are we treating these people with crude surgeries? Isn't the brain a much more malleable structure? Brain structure can change with drug use, traumatic experiences, etc. It seems much easier to change the brain than the body.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#21773516 - 06/07/15 10:33 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Titus_Pullo said: I believe you are confusing the term sex and gender now.
I thought I was the one with pop-science understanding of sexuality?
Also, since the difference often lies between the body and the brain why are we treating these people with crude surgeries? Isn't the brain a much more malleable structure? Brain structure can change with drug use, traumatic experiences, etc. It seems much easier to change the brain than the body.
If the brain were so easy to change, we would not have so many stupid people in the world. Besides, conversion therapy as practiced is barbaric. If it worked it would amount to a form of personal mutilation, but far more often traumatizes its victims... haven't you heard of Leelah Alcorn?
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Indeed. The brain is a lot harder to change than a simple dickectomy. That is routine surgery easily accomplished in a few hours. Titus, on the other hand, would need years of work to fix his brain
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo]
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Titus_Pullo said: I believe you are confusing the term sex and gender now.
I thought I was the one with pop-science understanding of sexuality?
Also, since the difference often lies between the body and the brain why are we treating these people with crude surgeries? Isn't the brain a much more malleable structure? Brain structure can change with drug use, traumatic experiences, etc. It seems much easier to change the brain than the body.
It would seem that way to you because of your ignorance.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
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First you question my sexuality -- which I never disclosed in the first place -- then you call me ignorant without engaging me in an actual discussion. I think it's fairly obvious to any other poster who the ignorant one here is. I find it appalling, and indicative of the board's decline, that you were able to get a moderating position with such childish behaviour.
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You have demonstrated your ignorance on this topic. What, do I need to be diplomatic? Your comment was ignorant.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21773697 - 06/07/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's called a discussion. Instead of getting your feelings hurt you can discuss why you think I'm ignorant and perhaps share some information. That is the typical way in which things are discussed. See? I'm doing it right now.
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#21773746 - 06/07/15 11:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's not possible or desirable to have a "discussion" with somebody whose mind is closed regarding the subject matter. IMO you should be banned for your comments here, but apparently koods prefers to allow you to "discuss" your bigoted and ignorant views all you like. You should be thanking him, instead you're whining that he isn't validating your hate speech. Bigots are so sensitive, aren't they?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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I love how now a days the term "close minded" is used in the most upset way to try to side track and derail a discussion. The man is just explaining himself ya'll are buthurt maximus
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
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LunarEclipse said: As long as the sex change operations are covered by Obamacare, then everybody should be happy "in the end".
Covered by obanacare? What does that even mean? Legitimate medical procedures are covered by your insurance plans. I doubt you have any qualifications to determine what is legitimate.
So, what is really an elective surgery, not a medical necessity, is now "covered by your insurance plans" that are not only mandated by the government, but enforced under penalty of law and the point of a gun, and this seems "legitimate" to you?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: LunarEclipse]
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Are you in any position to determine what is elective and what is necessary? You have an opinion based on your emotional response not any scientific or academic experience.
Your use of "at the point of a gun" demonstrates you are not grounded in reality.
OMG The tyranny of making insurance available to everyone! Get a grip.
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Definitely not elective and good for Obama if he gets it publicly covered
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Its SHE... lol and I did the same thing! Went from a huge black guy to an amazon with legs up to my chin. Hormones made my chest grow and I'm afraid that I'm going to end up with boobs like my mom, because they keep growing and getting lower, and lower.... mammograms hurt like a mother. The craziest thing I realized is that I'm going to end an old lady. Never really thought about that till now..
The lower surgery was a piece of cake. I laid on my back and played PlayStation for 2 weeks. Couldn't get stoned though 
I probably won't be getting implants, as I won the genetic lottery... my breasts currently fill a 34C and they only just started growing about a year ago. I'm actually a bit concerned at how big they might get in the long run, it would be funny if I ended up getting a reduction. They bounce with every movement I make and tend to get in the way of my arms. But I can't complain, I like having big boobies, they are super fun.
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Boobs are fun. But I'm still glad I don't have any. They're like other people's kids. Sure they're fun to mess with for a while but then I get to go home.
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My only question is who and why should I give a fuck?
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They're also distracting whether they're attached to you or not. It's awkward when I find myself messing with them in public. I am sure I will get over it someday but I don't know when. The fact that they keep getting bigger doesn't make it much easier to just put them out of mind. I am wondering where is the limit on this, I have an aunt who wears an H cup for fuck's sake, and she's not fat, nor has she ever had children. I don't know who to talk to about this shit. I need to make friends with more large-breasted women. 
Anyway, back on topic, I'm proud of Caitlyn, and have been pleasantly surprised at how tasteful and humanizing her grand coming-out has been, but I dread her show. I am worried that her ex wife has rubbed off on her too much and she'll end up swallowing the whole Kardashian family like a black widow and grow to surpass its bizarre stage whorishness, making all of the rest of us trans women look like a bunch of narcissistic divas. (clears throat)
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I'm the closed minded one...Yet I'm the only one here who is willing to have a discussion. I think it's obvious who is closed minded here. Being offended at my comments does not contribute to the discussion either.
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Titus_Pullo said: I'm the closed minded one...Yet I'm the only one here who is willing to have a discussion. I think it's obvious who is closed minded here. Being offended at my comments does not contribute to the discussion either.
You called the OP and myself delusional and mentally ill. You don't know either of us and that was literally the first thing you said here. It doesn't tend to be a great ice breaker, just FYI. If you want to slander other posters you should go do that in OTD or the Rompus Room. S&R is a discussion forum.
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I didn't call anyone mentall ill. I said transgenders suffer from a mental illness (gender identity disorder) and that indulging their delusions does more harm than good.
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I am transgender, so you called me mentally ill, and you called me doing what I need to do to be happy an indulgence of my delusions, which is untrue.
Gender identity disorder is no longer in the DSM. It never belonged there in the first place because a person's identity can't be a disorder or a delusion.
Gender dysphoria is in the DSM, and that is some serious shit, but the path to recovery is to have the incongruent identity validated, not suppressed. The substance of the pathology itself is the suppression of that identity. The major psychiatric and medical authorities agree on this fact, it's borne out by evidence. You were talking about how brain changes can easily be effected by trauma, that this would be more desirable (for who? for you or for the patient?) than changing the patient's body. Are you saying that the appropriate way to treat people suffering from gender dysphoria is to knock them over the head until they can't complain anymore? That's kinda what it reads like.
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Anyway, back on topic, I'm proud of Caitlyn, and have been pleasantly surprised at how tasteful and humanizing her grand coming-out has been, but I dread her show. I am worried that her ex wife has rubbed off on her too much and she'll end up swallowing the whole Kardashian family like a black widow and grow to surpass its bizarre stage whorishness, making all of the rest of us trans women look like a bunch of narcissistic divas. (clears throat)
I think she has been a comedy act for years and it has nothing to do with her gender identity. I think everybody associated with the name Kardashian are fucking weirdo attention whores. That being said you should probably want to know that she is also a jack booted conservative thug like me. Still proud of her?
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Anyway, back on topic, I'm proud of Caitlyn, and have been pleasantly surprised at how tasteful and humanizing her grand coming-out has been, but I dread her show. I am worried that her ex wife has rubbed off on her too much and she'll end up swallowing the whole Kardashian family like a black widow and grow to surpass its bizarre stage whorishness, making all of the rest of us trans women look like a bunch of narcissistic divas. (clears throat)
I think she has been a comedy act for years and it has nothing to do with her gender identity. I think everybody associated with the name Kardashian are fucking weirdo attention whores. That being said you should probably want to know that she is also a jack booted conservative thug like me. Still proud of her?
I am aware of that and it makes me pretty conflicted, I have to admit. It's extremely unusual for a trans woman to make national headlines for something other than getting murdered under exotic circumstances, so she has the opportunity to really push things forward for those of us who are struggling. She also has the potential to set us all back by fifty years, which is a legitimately terrifying thought.
I'm afraid that her reality show is going to be full of her saying weird shit about what it's like to be trans from her own perspective, and cis people who have no other way of knowing about the experiences of trans people will hang onto her every word and think it applies universally. It troubles me that she wasn't willing to reveal her name or request that people use female pronouns until she'd had $4 million worth of plastic surgery and a major glamor shoot, it seems to imply that trans womanhood is defined in itself by surgery, makeup, photoshop, etc. While it makes sense in the specific context of her coming out, I'm concerned that people will think it's generalizable and begin to hold all trans women to the standard she is setting. We have a serious problem with cisgender doctors refusing to provide us with basic medical care because they are uncomfortable or confused by us, and this may actually worsen that problem.
I didn't really know anything about "Bruce" Jenner or the Kardashians (except that Kim has a cute butt and is pregnant like half the time) before this news started to hit and now I feel like I have to be paying attention. I've never been "up" on pop culture in general, now I feel like I'm being dragged in kicking and screaming, since Caitlyn cuts a strikingly relatable figure to me, unlike pretty much any other public personality I could name.
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I think you might be right to be concerned. I seem to recall that he (and I use "he" because she was Bruce then) was widely perceived to be a douche when he won the medal. It was a long time ago but I have a sick memory.
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This private school is marketing a safe place for transgender students. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/scholarship_for_gender_creativ.html
It's actually a good idea for children that would be picked on in a normal school.
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Douchiness is par for the course of embodying a personality you don't identify with at all, but I'm not going to go and make excuses for her unless I have some idea what specifically gave her that reputation. Sorry to hear about your memory.
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It's actually a good idea for children that would be picked on in a normal school.
Yeah, school is pretty hard on gender nonconforming folks. The bullying leaves a mark that lasts a lifetime and then some. It would have been nice if my parents, or anybody I went to school with, had been clued in when I was struggling with this as a kid. I'd only ever get punished for it, by both the faculty and the other pupils. I doubt you'd find many ten year olds who are already so sexually repressed and confused as I was at that age.
What I'm really appreciating about this Caitlyn story is, I've seen a shitload of people suddenly getting on board with trans rights, beginning to develop an understanding of and sympathy for the challenges faced by the transgender community and actually talking about it. It's a remarkable change from just a few months ago when you'd be hard pressed to find people who weren't trans themselves or close to trans people giving a damn about any of this stuff. What's scary is that she still has the very real potential to completely blow it and make everybody hate us again.
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Macey Howard said: Man she looks great! Now people are coming to me asking me for "before" photos to see what I looked like prior to transitioning to female. Ive met some people that told me that it was gross and that she was sick in the head. One of these people asked me if I knew anyone who changed gender, after I didn't say anything they continued to bash. In both instances I didn't tell them I was trans, I let them have their opinion because its a free country.
A few days later I ran into one of the people and they could barely look me in the eyes. I just kept my cool and kept talking like I didn't know what was going on. They apologized and said they didn't know, blah blah blah, asked why I didn't tell them.
I asked them what they were talking about and they told me they learned I was trans. I said YEP and kept talking to them like it wasn't a big deal that they disapproved. I told them its a free country and who am I to tell you who to like and accept? Me being black, sometimes I know that some of us tend to overplay the black thing. Makes me sick "why can't there be a black Barbie, or a black Frozen". I'm like, if you want one, go make one lol!
Now I am getting asked questions about dating and how it all works and junk. I wonder who else is going to come out trans this year?
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Douchiness is par for the course of embodying a personality you don't identify with at all, but I'm not going to go and make excuses for her unless I have some idea what specifically gave her that reputation. Sorry to hear about your memory.
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Stop talking like that you're almost 60
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Titus_Pullo said: Most mental illnesses and diseases have are underscored by a biological/physiological source. That does not mean it shouldn't be treated. Indulging in the delusions of transpeople is not treatment. As I said before all it does is set a precedent for people suffering from other mental illnesses to have their delusions indulged as well.
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Yeah... Couple that with intelligence humans possess, I perfectly understand the brain wants the body-image to be right. Especially when we grow up in binary sexuality due to social/cultural constructs.
Nature is cruel and very real rather then delusions.
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Douchiness is par for the course of embodying a personality you don't identify with at all, but I'm not going to go and make excuses for her unless I have some idea what specifically gave her that reputation. Sorry to hear about your memory.
By sick I meant it is awesome
Awesome, so why was he (twitch) regarded as such a douche?
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Let me add butch lesbians and capricorns to that list also :3
Diversity is awesome.
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The fact that I remember I thought of him as a douche (and I have already explained why I use "him") at all is weird. He is the same self promoting cunt now that he was then. I tend not to like people like that. For instance, I loathe Donald Trump.
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Ah, I see. I understand that she really hasn't accomplished a thing of value since the decathlon, is rich and famous just because she milked that one accomplishment so skillfully throughout the proceeding decades. She's still doing that. During the Sawyer interview, Diane showed her a picture of him/her crossing the finish line and said "what do you see?" and he/she said, "I see a confused person, running from the truth". That fucking sent shivers up my spine and gave me goosebumps. But she is so fucking superficial and self-serving. But she's just like me and so inspiring! Argh. Like I said, kicking and screaming. I feel exploited and represented at the same time.
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No. He married into a family of attention whores and became famous again... Like "oh, I remember that dude. Didn't he do something once." And now she has learned the tricks of the trade and is branching off to become her own attention whore.
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Right, but you don't marry into a family of attention whores without having some sort of status in the first place. Attention whores aren't gonna go and marry somebody who doesn't reinforce their ego in some way.
I read an article the other day that said she is now probably worth more than the Kardashian family. This is what I mean, she's like a black widow, she's going to eat them alive and use them as so much raw fiber to weave her own web. It's disturbing as fuck. And also awesome. I feel so dirty. This is seriously the first time I begin to understand why people get so invested in celebrity culture in spite of themselves.
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It's your choice to take my words personally. Also gender identity disorder and gender disphoria are synonymous. The only reason you don't believe you're mentally ill is because you're mentally ill. Crazy people often don't know they are crazy. I am not sure what the best treatment is but I think forcing your body to fit whatever delusion you may have is like pushing a reaction way out if equilibrium. It's too high energy to maintain and I believe this is why. The majority of transpeople commit suicide. It shows that the current method of treatment is not suitable. Believe it or not I have compassion and I wouldn't want anyone to kill themselves which is why I think alternate treatments need to be explored instead of catering to it and performing surgeries and then walking away. These people deserve to be happy but I don't think the current treatment improves the lives of transpeople.
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I don't believe she is mentally ill and I'm as sane as they come. I think you are, though, Fred Phelps. I do not know what the best treatment for you is. Electroshock? Castration? I don't really know
"The majority of trans people commit suicide?" You are a liar.
They are not happy because of nitwits who impose a cultural doctrine on them. They are accepted in Thailand because there aren't intolerant assholes there regarding this issue (they are plenty intolerant about a lot of other shit). It is a cultural problem for them imposed by ignorant assholes. Guess what I think you are.
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I think the difference though, is that even if you gave steroids to people who were body dysmorphic and they became huge, they would always see themselves as tiny. No matter how big they get, it is never enough.
Same with anorexics. No matter how skinny they get, it's never enough. That's why you have girls who are 50-lb toothpicks who still view themselves as obese and only eat an apple every 3 days, and some end up dying from starvation because of it.
There is a saying in bodybuilding: "The day you started lifting is the day you became forever small."
I bet you anything all those 250lb and 300lb guys who compete in Mr Olympia are up their on the stage, and they're secretly thinking, "Man I need to work on my quads, my traps are so fucking tiny. WHY AM I SO TINY I JUST WANNA KILL MYSELF!!!" They probably look in the mirror and see a pre-pubescent Justin Bieber body.
Whereas, if you do gender conversion therapy on somebody who wants to be TG, they see themselves as complete once all the operations are finished.
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For weeks I thought they were talking about bruce banner, and I was making a bunch of shitty hulk sex change jokes.
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Did you walk away alone and rejected, all your belongings strapped to your back, with sad music playing in the background?
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I looked pretty stupid at the bar the other night when I was telling them.
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I think the difference though, is that even if you gave steroids to people who were body dysmorphic and they became huge, they would always see themselves as tiny. No matter how big they get, it is never enough.
Same with anorexics. No matter how skinny they get, it's never enough. That's why you have girls who are 50-lb toothpicks who still view themselves as obese and only eat an apple every 3 days, and some end up dying from starvation because of it.
There is a saying in bodybuilding: "The day you started lifting is the day you became forever small."
I bet you anything all those 250lb and 300lb guys who compete in Mr Olympia are up their on the stage, and they're secretly thinking, "Man I need to work on my quads, my traps are so fucking tiny. WHY AM I SO TINY I JUST WANNA KILL MYSELF!!!" They probably look in the mirror and see a pre-pubescent Justin Bieber body.
Whereas, if you do gender conversion therapy on somebody who wants to be TG, they see themselves as complete once all the operations are finished.
You're establishing an arbitrary difference between two very similar mental disorders. Also, I highly doubt trans people see themselves as complete after gender conversion and I'm not sure why you seem so convinced. GID, anorexia, and body dismorphia are all very similar from a psychological standpoint but for some reason people suffering from GID are allowed to indulge in their delusions whereas no one has a problem telling someone with anorexia that they are fucked in the head.
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"The majority of trans people commit suicide?" You are a liar.
They are not happy because of nitwits who impose a cultural doctrine on them. They are accepted in Thailand because there aren't intolerant assholes there regarding this issue (they are plenty intolerant about a lot of other shit). It is a cultural problem for them imposed by ignorant assholes. Guess what I think you are.
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Speaking from -experience- (heaven forbid), Crystal_G is right that the comparison you draw between body dysmorphia and gender dysphoria is inaccurate. The distinction is not arbitrary, but borne out by evidence and results. Speaking for myself, I actually would be perfectly happy if my breasts would stop growing today, 34C is big enough for me. But what would I know? The esteemed Dr. Titus_Pullo has diagnosed me with delusions.
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I think the difference though, is that even if you gave steroids to people who were body dysmorphic and they became huge, they would always see themselves as tiny. No matter how big they get, it is never enough.
Same with anorexics. No matter how skinny they get, it's never enough. That's why you have girls who are 50-lb toothpicks who still view themselves as obese and only eat an apple every 3 days, and some end up dying from starvation because of it.
There is a saying in bodybuilding: "The day you started lifting is the day you became forever small."
I bet you anything all those 250lb and 300lb guys who compete in Mr Olympia are up their on the stage, and they're secretly thinking, "Man I need to work on my quads, my traps are so fucking tiny. WHY AM I SO TINY I JUST WANNA KILL MYSELF!!!" They probably look in the mirror and see a pre-pubescent Justin Bieber body.
Whereas, if you do gender conversion therapy on somebody who wants to be TG, they see themselves as complete once all the operations are finished.
You're establishing an arbitrary difference between two very similar mental disorders. Also, I highly doubt trans people see themselves as complete after gender conversion and I'm not sure why you seem so convinced. GID, anorexia, and body dismorphia are all very similar from a psychological standpoint but for some reason people suffering from GID are allowed to indulge in their delusions whereas no one has a problem telling someone with anorexia that they are fucked in the head.
You're using the word delusion in a pretty sloppy way. But if you assume that anorexics and GID people are both delusional then the difference is not arbitrary, and it's pretty simple. When you indulge the "delusions" of an anorexic, they die of starvation. When you indulge the "delusions" of people suffering from GID, they get better. You can doubt that all you want, but then you're being "delusional". The two trans people who've posted in this thread seem to be a lot happier after their surgeries, and that seems to be the case for pretty much everybody who's undergone the surgery. It really seems like you don't have a very deep inside perspective on this issue. Maybe you should ask some questions instead of spouting out presumptions.
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"The majority of trans people commit suicide?" You are a liar.
They are not happy because of nitwits who impose a cultural doctrine on them. They are accepted in Thailand because there aren't intolerant assholes there regarding this issue (they are plenty intolerant about a lot of other shit). It is a cultural problem for them imposed by ignorant assholes. Guess what I think you are.
Not sure what exactly you're trying to say here. Do you have a point or did you just feel like name-calling?
I think my point is pretty fucking clear and your inability to see what everybody else can reinforces it
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I feel mixed. What he says is not particulary untrue.
The suicide rate is in fact pretty high. Even after surgery.
That's the scary part >.< . ending up regretting it.
The fact he doesn't reply to biological design intertwined with psychological turmoil tells me enough though
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The suicide rate is in fact pretty high. Even after surgery.
That's the scary part >.< . ending up regretting it.
The fact he doesn't reply to biological design intertwined with psychological turmoil tells me enough though 
He is talking out of his ass. Zapp is correct that the high suicide rate is attributable to cultural stigma. The satisfaction rate for sex reassignment surgery is something like 95%. To put that in perspective, the satisfaction rate for all surgeries taken together is 60%.
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I think the difference though, is that even if you gave steroids to people who were body dysmorphic and they became huge, they would always see themselves as tiny. No matter how big they get, it is never enough.
Same with anorexics. No matter how skinny they get, it's never enough. That's why you have girls who are 50-lb toothpicks who still view themselves as obese and only eat an apple every 3 days, and some end up dying from starvation because of it.
There is a saying in bodybuilding: "The day you started lifting is the day you became forever small."
I bet you anything all those 250lb and 300lb guys who compete in Mr Olympia are up their on the stage, and they're secretly thinking, "Man I need to work on my quads, my traps are so fucking tiny. WHY AM I SO TINY I JUST WANNA KILL MYSELF!!!" They probably look in the mirror and see a pre-pubescent Justin Bieber body.
Whereas, if you do gender conversion therapy on somebody who wants to be TG, they see themselves as complete once all the operations are finished.
You're establishing an arbitrary difference between two very similar mental disorders. Also, I highly doubt trans people see themselves as complete after gender conversion and I'm not sure why you seem so convinced. GID, anorexia, and body dismorphia are all very similar from a psychological standpoint but for some reason people suffering from GID are allowed to indulge in their delusions whereas no one has a problem telling someone with anorexia that they are fucked in the head.
Like Mr. GuessWork said, encouraging anorexia IS dangerous and life-threatening for the patient. People literally die of starvation from doing it. The only people who die from wanting to be TG are people who have accidental complications during surgery (meaning, it would have likely happened eventually from a non-sex-reassignment-related surgery anyway). Or people who commit suicide because they end up getting bullied, or their families reject them, because society stigmatizes it so much.
I can see WHY you would call them similar, if only for the fact that all the disorders you mentioned place such an emphasis on wanting to change and alter your physical appearance to fit some image that exists in your head.
However, you have to consider the REASON behind why people want to change or alter their body.
For example, we wouldn't call an activist who goes on a hunger strike for 60 days "anorexic," even though they are doing precisely the exact same thing that anorexic people do. Many people would instead praise this activist, and call them "brave." Why do you think that is? It is because the underlying reason you do something, in fact, actually changes everything.
A lot of people mistakenly assume people become anorexic to be beautiful, but that is actually NOT the first and foremost reason. If you actually study the lives of anorexics, many of them started their anorexia after some type of trauma, usually when they are exposed to it in their early teen or pre-teen years.
Same with bodybuilders. Ever notice that it was always the kid who got the shit beat out of him by his parents, who ends up becoming a humongous, massive bodybuilder? They do that because they are psychologically traumatized and have an inferiority complex, they don't ever want to feel that weak and vulnerable like they were when they were small children ever again. These people end up WANTING to look like freaks, because they WANT people to look at them and be intimidated. They want to be able to walk around and ensure that NOBODY will EVER mess with them again.
There is a REAL psychological association with trauma and body dysmorphia and anorexia, and I think that you are ignoring a huge component of what underlies and motivates people with anorexia and BDD. They need psychological help, because more often than not, it is actually their trauma that is causing their disorders.
Not compare that with TG's. To my knowledge there has been no correlation or causation between TG's and trauma (aside from the trauma inflicted by society AFTER deciding to become openly TG). They simply feel like their physical body does not match their mental or sexual identity whatsoever, often due to varying levels of hormones and neurological brain-wave activity.
By the way, society DOES encourage some form of anorexia and BDD to an extent. I remember that Victoria's Secret Model Adriana Lima going on a TV interview for ABC, and she talked about how her diet consists of eating nothing but celery and water for 14 days before a big show. And the fucking people interviewing her were praising her for it, like "Wowwwww that's amazing! How did you have the willpower and how did you achieve that??" As if that's something that should be praised. Show me an activist who's been on a hunger strike for 14 days, and then color me impressed.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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Here is a good article which debunks many nagging myths about post transition regrets. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6160626
It is hard to accept for many cisgender people, who are not acquainted with gender dysphoria, that the vast majority of people who wish to transition know what they need, have realistic expectations, and are motivated by nothing but rational self interest.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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No, I just think the spectrum is that wide that there is no narrowed down cause.
Theories On Causes Of CD Then again that is TV and not TG.
Thanks, I will read that.
edit: oh and I agree it's the aftermath of other peoples opinions that drives people to that point
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Please teach me this, i'd probably crack.
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#21783882 - 06/09/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Beanie, if you'd like, I can teach you my voice training regimen, it takes a few months of daily practice but it works. IME voice is at least half of what it takes to "pass" for a cis woman. New acquaintances and people in public don't have any idea that I'm trans these days unless I choose to let them in on it. Mwahahahaha.
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My mother has a trans friend and I hate to say it, she walks like a man. I don't know exactly what it is that makes a walk male or female, but I perceive it.
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Does she step with her toes pointing outward?
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:O
I think i'll take that 
it's a start on the long road... (▰˘◡˘▰)
And for my own vanity's sake, the earlier, the better but looking how Macey is so pretty is inspiring. to say at the least.
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koods said: My mother has a trans friend and I hate to say it, she walks like a man. I don't know exactly what it is that makes a walk male or female, but I perceive it.
Does she step with her toes pointing outward?
It may be the length of her gait. I dunno do your toes pojnt outward if you take long steps?
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koods said: My mother has a trans friend and I hate to say it, she walks like a man. I don't know exactly what it is that makes a walk male or female, but I perceive it.
You want to hear something funny, every single one of my friends and boyfriends has commented that I have such a man walk. EVERYBODY comments on it, it's not even funny. They say I walk exactly like one of those bodybuilder guys in the gym who's so buff he's swinging his arms so far out from his body.
I apparently also need the voice training, BS, because not even lying, 100% of strangers I talk to on the phone call me Mister or Sir. Not 50%, not even 75%, but goddamn fucking ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21783984 - 06/09/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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And yet you can't suck a dick like a man.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Beanhead]
#21783999 - 06/09/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Say higher and higher scales until your voice starts to crack. Now, practice that octave over and over, for two minutes, every hour. Record your sessions. The idea is to raise your pitch without losing tone (we're trying to avoid squeaky falsetto voice here, remember you're a woman, not a member of Monty Python) by one or two octaves, depending on how deep your current natural voice is. Also, when you feel you're ready to begin finding a speaking voice, start keeping a voice diary. Talking to strangers over the phone is a good way to gauge your progress without exposing yourself too much, people will call you "Miss" etc. if you are pulling it off. Be careful that you don't get dehydrated, and take a break if you get a sore throat, and take a weekend or two off each month. Consistent practice (5-10 sessions a day) and a willingness to experiment will get you there faster. If you begin to use your new voice daily, to the exclusion of your old voice, your natural pitch will gradually catch up over time and it will get easier and easier.
It's a simple method, but it takes a fair bit of time and effort before you start getting real results. If you are thinking about transitioning, definitely a good idea to start early on voice training. I started late and it was very awkward for a few months when I had visibly feminized but was still speaking with a very deep, masculine sounding voice. People would continue to misgender me most of the time no matter what I wore, whether I put on makeup etc. But now that I have a semi decent voice going, I haven't been misgendered in over a month. Voice is HUGE.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
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I tried to type in "man walk" in Youtube to try and show you guys exactly what I walk like. Didn't find what I was looking for, but found a related video that's a play off the "10 hours of walking in NYC as a woman." I said similar, because cross-dressers and drag queens aren't the same as TG, but it's kind of a similar concept.
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It's a simple method, but it takes a fair bit of time and effort before you start getting real results. If you are thinking about transitioning, definitely a good idea to start early on voice training. I started late and it was very awkward for a few months when I had visibly feminized but was still speaking with a very deep, masculine sounding voice. People would continue to misgender me most of the time no matter what I wore, whether I put on makeup etc. Voice is HUGE.
Honestly if I were to transition to a male, I would not need voice-training at all. I already have the deep, husky man voice. I actually have to record my "leave a voicemail" messages on my phone on days when I have a cold and my voice is way higher-pitched and more nasally and squeaky. People hear my voicemail and they're like "WHAT THE FUCK that voice sounds nothing like you bro" 
Shit my voice got so deep when I was a heavy smoker, that I sounded like a fucking black man. I should take a recording of my voice sometime, nobody ever believes me about the voice until they hear that shit in person or over the phone.
Also, I found the fucking man walk that I do!!!! SCROLL TO 30 SECONDS, I DO THAT EXACT SAME FUCKING WALK   
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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Even if you did have a high, feminine voice, you would not need to do voice training. Testosterone induces new muscle growth in the throat which is not reversed by male to female HRT, so only MtF's have to do voice training. For FtM's, the voice changes by itself. It takes trans men less work in general to "pass". Lucky bastards.
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BlindSophist said: Even if you did have a high, feminine voice, you would not need to do voice training. Testosterone induces new muscle growth in the throat which is not reversed by male to female HRT, so only MtF's have to do voice training. For FtM's, the voice changes by itself. It takes trans men less work in general to "pass". Lucky bastards.
I must have always had naturally high testosterone levels then, because ever since I was a teenager even, 50% of the time I was still getting confused for a man. As I grew into adulthood, from my early 20's, my voice kept getting deeper and deeper. When I was a smoker that shit got TOOOOO deep, even for my standards.
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koods said: And yet you can't suck a dick like a man. 
Oh, I can. Just not as good as my ex. Because he was the queen of the BJ. Such a size queen too, he broke my damn favorite vibrator! Didn't even have the courtesy to replace it. Dick.
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I apparently also need the voice training, BS, because not even lying, 100% of strangers I talk to on the phone call me Mister or Sir. Not 50%, not even 75%, but goddamn fucking ONE HUNDRED PERCENT.
I don't know about what strangers think but I can attest that it is 100% true that her voice would almost always be mistaken as male.
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#21784459 - 06/09/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sometimes i feel like i sound like a male, but i don't think that's actually true probably.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Acidic_Sloth]
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
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Acidic_Sloth said: sometimes i feel like i sound like a male, but i don't think that's actually true probably.
Trust me, you do not sound anywhere close to as masculine as Crystal does.
For some reason this makes me happy. WHY DOES THIS MAKE ME HAPPY!!!!!!!!
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
#21784545 - 06/09/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G's dog agrees
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#21784559 - 06/09/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
#21784565 - 06/09/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's why I let my dog suck my dick. He's just cleaning all the salt out of me. Really, it's nothing sexual.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sheekle]
#21784589 - 06/09/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It isn't for him.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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BlindSophist said: Even if you did have a high, feminine voice, you would not need to do voice training. Testosterone induces new muscle growth in the throat which is not reversed by male to female HRT, so only MtF's have to do voice training. For FtM's, the voice changes by itself. It takes trans men less work in general to "pass". Lucky bastards.
I must have always had naturally high testosterone levels then, because ever since I was a teenager even, 50% of the time I was still getting confused for a man. As I grew into adulthood, from my early 20's, my voice kept getting deeper and deeper. When I was a smoker that shit got TOOOOO deep, even for my standards.
I believe it, it's not uncommon for women to have high enough testosterone levels for a bit of deepening to happen. I'm not 100% sure about this but I'd guess that women's voices in general are at least a bit deepened that way. My mom's voice is apparently pretty deep, and people mistake her for a guy over the phone sometimes. But it just sounds normal to me since she raised me. Either way, I'm shooting for no ambiguity so I'm gonna have to go higher than my mom. When you're overcoming almost twenty years of masculinization, you have to go a bit above and beyond to compensate.
My voice still has a ways to go, it's still really an affectation and a bit awkward sometimes. A comment I often get from people when I ask for input is that it's very "gentle", or "kind". My friend just called it "therapeutic". I'm not exactly going for meditation class voice here, hopefully I will be able to manage some sharper tones before long.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
#21784970 - 06/09/15 07:25 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, uh... why am I having a hard time deciding if that was a joke or not?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sheekle]
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I'll pay to watch. It's for science nothing sexual
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: The Doobie Dude]
#21785482 - 06/09/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Whatever. Dogs can't suck dicks 
They are good at licking your ass while you jerk off though
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21785485 - 06/09/15 08:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Meh.. I don't agree with it. Those are my thoughts.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: JustForToday]
#21785986 - 06/09/15 10:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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A doggy blowjob would be awfully teethy
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21786018 - 06/09/15 10:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21786029 - 06/09/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is a Sheekle blow job toothy?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21786099 - 06/09/15 11:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey koods, if I transitioned to a man, and I had the muscles of a Greek god and shit, would you bone me?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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Crystal you have triceps and thats it and even at that nothing to go crazy over
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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Invite some of your hot male friends to join, and I'll bone you as is.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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The Doobie Dude said: Crystal you have triceps and thats it and even at that nothing to go crazy over
Yeah, but I also stopped working out for 6 months and just started a month ago recently, also I've been natural for the past almost 2 years and pretty much eat cheeseburgers and tacos every night. You can't really see my muscles because they aren't defined, because I've pretty much stayed at 18-20% body fat all the time.
All the women you see at those fitness expos and competitions and everything, they get down to like 8% body fat just for the show, so you can see all their muscles. It's unhealthy for a woman to stay below 15% body fat permanently, so I don't ever do it. Then there are the ones who are on copious amount of roids, which I am honestly contemplating doing again, once I get back in the routine of the gym au natural first.
Imagine if I transitioned though, this would mean that I would be on testosterone 24/7 and I would basically go through muscle puberty and finally get the physique that I want.
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Crystal G said: Hey koods, if I transitioned to a man, and I had the muscles of a Greek god and shit, would you bone me?
Invite some of your hot male friends to join, and I'll bone you as is.
I know exactly which hot friends to call!!!!!!!!
I love gay guys, they are the only people I know who are as slutty as me.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786137 - 06/09/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Doobie... U in?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786145 - 06/09/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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that man will never be happy with himself.
Everyone has forgotten he killed a woman a few months ago when he rear ended another car and sent them into the on coming lane, killing the driver. His fucking sex change matters more than manslaughter. America, LOL
they need to stop cramming this transexual shit down our throat. They're doing to so we will accept it as being "normal." Its not, its bizarre and men who spend time around too many women either become one or are at the least emotionally defective.
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You think men who spend too much time around women are emotionally defective? I think it's the opposite, men who typically act like your typical "macho man, alpha male, man's man" type are often the most emotionally stunted people you will ever meet. Think typical military guy, your typical douchebag bodybuilder. They have the most fragile egos and the only emotion they know how to express is anger. That's why so many of them suffer from complexes like body dysmorphia, control and rage issues, and drug and alcohol addiction, none of them know how to properly connect with anybody they've ever been in relationships with, because they literally have no touch with their emotions whatsoever.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786178 - 06/09/15 11:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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You have less then 20% body fat... I've seen the pictures
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sprinkles said: Its not, its bizarre and men who spend time around too many women either become one or are at the least emotionally defective.
You think men who spend too much time around women are emotionally defective? I think it's the opposite, men who typically act like your typical "alpha male" type are often the most emotionally stunted people you will ever meet. Think typical military guy, your typical douchebag bodybuilder. They have the most fragile egos and the only emotion they know how to express is anger. That's why so many of them suffer from complexes like body dysmorphia, control and rage issues, and drug and alcohol addiction, because they literally have no touch with their emotions whatsoever.
I definitely think it's possible to spend too much time around men
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21786195 - 06/09/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's possible to spend too much time with anyone. M or F
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786196 - 06/09/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I mean men who are around too many women. I have a buddy who has 4 sisters and he is like a woman emotionally. I would kill myself if I had to grow up with 5 periods in a house.
Transexuals have a mental disorder. Plain and simple. Im not judging anyone for having a brain disease, as I have one as well (substance abuse).
The body builder you are describing is an egomaniac with an inferiority complex. That's common.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said: You have less then 20% body fat... I've seen the pictures
IDK man, my gym has a machine that costs $10,000 that you step on, and it calculates your body fat percentage by beaming electrode light thingies through you, and last time I took it it said I was like 20% or some shit. 
I do think a lot of that is water weight though, if I were to deplete myself of water I would probably lose like 5% easily.
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sprinkles said: I mean men who are around too many women. I have a buddy who has 4 sisters and he is like a woman emotionally. I would kill myself if I had to grow up with 5 periods in a house.
Transexuals have a mental disorder. Plain and simple. Im not judging anyone for having a brain disease, as I have one as well (substance abuse).
The body builder you are describing is an egomaniac with an inferiority complex. That's common.
I had a pretty even balance of men and women for company throughout my life The only period I had around growing up was my mom's.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786212 - 06/09/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's an expensive ass machine christ. Maybe it's because you're short or something, but it looks less then 20% from pics.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21786215 - 06/09/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Skip to the second paragraph
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said: You have less then 20% body fat... I've seen the pictures
IDK man, my gym has a machine that costs $10,000 that you step on, and it calculates your body fat percentage by beaming electrode light thingies through you, and last time I took it it said I was like 20% or some shit. 
I do think a lot of that is water weight though, if I were to deplete myself of water I would probably lose like 5% easily.
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For that price, It should tell you whatever you want it to tell you.
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hey crystal, I was attacked a couple weeks ago by a psycho bitch who tried to gouge out my fkg eyes. No bullshit. I'm strong and quite crazy, but I got a serious reality check. Um ya cant fight when you can't see. She had me on the ground for a long time kicking my ass. Luckily Im the type that doesn't feel much, and Im determined that no matter what injuries I have, I will not lose.
I learned a lot from that little may lay. I'm not as tough as I think I am, and endurance is extremely important. It was the most physically exhausting thing Ive ever been though. Holy shit. I am way too old for this stupid shit.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
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Yeah, that's what I mean. Re-read what I said:
You think men who spend too much time around women are emotionally defective? I think it's the opposite, men who typically act like your typical "macho man, alpha male, man's man" type are often the most emotionally stunted people you will ever meet. Think typical military guy, your typical douchebag bodybuilder. They have the most fragile egos and the only emotion they know how to express is anger. That's why so many of them suffer from complexes like body dysmorphia, control and rage issues, and drug and alcohol addiction, none of them know how to properly connect with anybody they've ever been in relationships with, because they literally have no touch with their emotions whatsoever.
I know because I used to be one of these people. Personally, I think I'm emotionally stunted because I think and behave too much like a typical male brain, and have associated with too many males. I even talk and walk like a male (or so I've been told), IDK why but it just feels natural to me to behave this way.
Anyway, at least I hope it's past tense, I still hope I'm not an emotionally stunted lost cause, I've been trying to get better and work on myself over the past 5 years little by little. Point being, a great majority of men are emotionally stunted. I think associating with only men would cause you to be far more emotionally stunted than associating with women.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786240 - 06/09/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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We should hang out sometime so you can tell me what you honestly think of me. I need diagnosed, real talk.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786250 - 06/09/15 11:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Masculinity doesn't equate to stunted emotions or pathology. That shit is from childhood experiences.
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Thanks man, I really appreciate you saying that. I've sent progress pictures to competitive bodybuilders in the past, and they too have guessed I'm somewhere between 15% and 18%, they said most of what I'm perceiving as fat is probably just water weight and could easily be lost in 2 or 3 days.
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I learned a lot from that little may lay. I'm not as tough as I think I am, and endurance is extremely important. It was the most physically exhausting thing Ive ever been though. Holy shit. I am way too old for this stupid shit.
Holy shit, that sucks bro. So, what happened to the outcome? Did you eventually kick her ass? How much did she weigh? I'm so curious to know what both your stats are now. And most importantly, are your eyes okay?
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Crystal G said: Hey koods, if I transitioned to a man, and I had the muscles of a Greek god and shit, would you bone me?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said: Masculinity doesn't equate to stunted emotions or pathology. That shit is from childhood experiences.
Not necessarily. There are actually larger societal influences and expectations that play an outcome on the emotional development of the male psyche. Like for example, the fact that men are strongly discouraged from ever crying or showing any emotion, and if they do, they're considered pussies and are bullied or beaten up for it. This causes a lot of men to show their emotions through anger instead. So basically, it is a continuously destructive cycle and pattern in society, where what comes around goes around.
Shit like that is what contributes to the emotional stunting of men. (I grew up being held to the same standards too, part of the reason I was emotionally stunted until I was almost in my mid-20's.)
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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a lot of people have poor emotional control. Its feminists fault. I wont go into why.
They say that the age you start using is the age you stop maturing emotionally. If that were the case, I have the emotional capacity of an 18 year old. I think a lot has to do with temperament and personality. You can start maturing again once you learn some coping skills and stop numbing yourself with chemicals.
speaking of that, I am quitting tomorrow. I got uhhh one hour and ten minutes.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Beanhead]
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Crystal G said: Hey koods, if I transitioned to a man, and I had the muscles of a Greek god and shit, would you bone me?
You just want the D

I think I've decided I should bang a chick before I die, just to check it out. I probably should pick one who knows what their doing, right?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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whats masculenity mean? My muscles are fkg huge for a woman or man and I do nothing but drink milk and stay angry all the time.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786320 - 06/09/15 11:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bullying in the male world is about weakness not so much as emotions. You don't want to look weak, don't act like a fucking pussy and cry in public... You don't want to look weak, learn how to throw a football ect ect. I was always good at sports so that gave me a free ride to not get bullied. Not looking weak or being a weirdo also helped.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
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Crystal G said: Hey koods, if I transitioned to a man, and I had the muscles of a Greek god and shit, would you bone me?
You just want the D

I think I've decided I should bang a chick before I die, just to check it out. I probably should pick one who knows what their doing, right?
PICK ME PICK ME PICK ME! I have experience banging lots of gays, but you know one thing I HAVEN'T done that's on my checklist? A MFM threesome that involves TWO gay men. I am so down. CALL ME.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo]
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Titus_Pullo said: It's a pretty bad reflection on society when the media deems it appropriate to indulge in the delusions of people with a severe mental illness. Why is it not appropriate to praise the delusions of schizophrenics? Why don't we give steroids to young males with body dysmorphia? I think the political correctness surrounding transgenders is setting a precedent for the future treatment of other mental illnesses. And it's not a good precedent.
because it surrounds sexuality as opposed to imaginative consciousness.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
#21786357 - 06/10/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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zappaisgod said: Boobs are fun. But I'm still glad I don't have any. They're like other people's kids. Sure they're fun to mess with for a while but then I get to go home.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said: Bullying in the male world is about weakness not so much as emotions. You don't want to look weak, don't act like a fucking pussy and cry in public... You don't want to look weak, learn how to throw a football ect ect. I was always good at sports so that gave me a free ride to not get bullied. Not looking weak or being a weirdo also helped.
I don't think so. It's just about putting on as much of a facade as possible, being as distant from your emotions as you possibly can, and not revealing any part of yourself to anybody. That includes even positive feelings such as love. If a boy talks about how much he loves his mom, or his girlfriend, he pretty much gets laughed at. Fathers are discouraged from interacting too heavily or emotionally bonding with their children, especially if they have sons.
Even the type of sports boys are encouraged to get involved in, typically involve some sort of violent, competitive atmosphere. Football, hockey, rugby, wrestling, boxing… all these interactions play a role in the development of the psyche, and this is the sort of subject that interests me, so I watch a lot of Jackson Katz documentaries and TED talks about this issue.
I agree with Jackson Katz, that there absolutely is a correlation between a "tough guy" guise and persona, and damaged psyches.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786377 - 06/10/15 12:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Acidic_Sloth said: sometimes i feel like i sound like a male, but i don't think that's actually true probably.
Trust me, you do not sound anywhere close to as masculine as Crystal does.
For some reason this makes me happy. WHY DOES THIS MAKE ME HAPPY!!!!!!!! 
because killer kick ass girls are hot, duh.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786386 - 06/10/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I don't think so. It's just about putting on as much of a facade as possible, being as distant from your emotions as you possibly can, and not revealing any part of yourself to anybody.
You must have had some bad experiences with fucked up dudes
What you described are insecure people, I've met plenty of women and men like that.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786406 - 06/10/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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they need to stop cramming this transexual shit down our throat. They're doing to so we will accept it as being "normal." Its not, its bizarre and men who spend time around too many women either become one or are at the least emotionally defective.
sprinkles, you don't see how you're being reductive. stop playing up to the retard angle, you know that people will express themselves how they feel safe. the dichotomy of man and women will forever be a paradox, because the evolutionary differences play no response to roles in gender association.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Crystal G said: I don't think so. It's just about putting on as much of a facade as possible, being as distant from your emotions as you possibly can, and not revealing any part of yourself to anybody.
You must have had some bad experiences with fucked up dudes
What you described are insecure people, I've met plenty of women and men like that.
what does one have to do with the other? she might be insecure in something but what it has to do with the people she's met has nothing to do with it, i think.
what you've said implies you are completely sure and secure of yourself. methinks that's doubtful.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21786416 - 06/10/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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No one is completely secure of themselves, being vulnerable and unsure is part of the human experience. I don't claim anything, I'm just commenting on people I know in the extreme end of insecurity
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21786419 - 06/10/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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any amount of emotional "foreplay" can only be met and superseded by a command or teaching, that is learned; and that certainly means that there is a facade of insecurity for most everybody, that isn't totally discontent with formal relationships.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21786434 - 06/10/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK, I have a question. I think the women of the shroomery display a lot of hostility and aggression towards each other - a lot more than the guys, TBH. Are women like this with each other in the real world? Serious question.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21786441 - 06/10/15 12:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, because constructive emotional criticism and criticism of farce are more applicable to the women subtype.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#21786443 - 06/10/15 12:26 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said: What you described are insecure people, I've met plenty of women and men like that.
You might say that, because you hang around or know a lot of drug users (I'm guessing, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, I'll admit quite a lot of mine are). And I only mention this as a factor, because out of everybody that uses or abuses drugs, only 10% of them are women, while men compose the rest of the 90%. Why do you think this is?
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
#21786453 - 06/10/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL my first thought was "Heroin".
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: akira_akuma]
#21786478 - 06/10/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: evolutionary differences play no response to roles in gender association.
are you retarded harvey levin? Lets not over complicate stuff. Men have a penis, girls have a vagina.
Do you know what gender means? Men have prostates & women have ovaries. no surgery is going to correct that. I dont care if a man wants to grow his hair and cut off his dick and grow boobs but you will never convince me that is normal..
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786486 - 06/10/15 12:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why even go to med school? You already know everything.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786498 - 06/10/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: evolutionary differences play no response to roles in gender association.
are you retarded harvey levin? Lets not over complicate stuff. Men have a penis, girls have a vagina.
Do you know what gender means? Men have prostates & women have ovaries. no surgery is going to correct that. I dont care if a man wants to grow his hair and cut off his dick and grow boobs but you will never convince me that is normal..
look, i am not trying to convince you what is normal, i am trying to tell you that gender appropriation is merely that, and appropriation. it means nothing because none of this means anything. not trying to sound deep...more to my point, if you take what you consider the "norm" or the "status quo, you'd find that transsexuals offer alot to the understanding of freedom of equanimity. and also of the fact of self preservation.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786508 - 06/10/15 12:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if I wanted to grow a dick you people would call me a freak, I wouldnt fit in, Im sure I wouldnt be accepted here. I would anticipate that being the case and never try to force the idea I am just like everyone else, because Im not.
I love moe. Rose is alright. They are probably very good people and I would have their back in irl for sure. So dont think for a second because I say its not normal that i'm judging their character.
I am just sick of society as a whole honestly. I dont give a fuck if that 70 year old man wants boobs. I care more about him hitting and killing people. The rest of America is fucking retarded. Period.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786522 - 06/10/15 12:51 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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well see your judgement is misplaced.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786524 - 06/10/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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like that walmart video bassfreak posted earlier. that is how society is today. It makes me want to kill myself or live somewhere way the hell away from this insane bullshit. I hate the media, I wont even watch TV anymore with the exception of football.
Ugh. Where is the mothership?
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sprinkles said: if I wanted to grow a dick you people would call me a freak, .
Honestly, I wouldn't be overly surprised.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
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society is just a bunch of people inclined to manipulate one another. it isn't an actual thing that people think it is. it's not mutual aims and helping one another... it's fucking one another over in the subtlest ways, in order to maintain a hierarchy.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786542 - 06/10/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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sprinkles said: I am just sick of society as a whole honestly. I dont give a fuck if that 70 year old man wants boobs. I care more about him hitting and killing people. The rest of America is fucking retarded. Period.
Well yeah, we can all agree on that point, but personally I didn't come into this thread to talk about Bruce Jenner. The thread sort of derailed into a general thread about TG culture and brain mentality.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G]
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: sprinkles]
#21786582 - 06/10/15 01:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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the whole thing is stupid as fuck. i've always been attracted to two types of females... those who fantastic whims glorious, which ever their level of physical attractiveness, and those who are just physically attractive, ie, those whom have traits that by definition attractive. and there are varying sorts but none so dry as to hinge on some dichotomy of weak vs strong.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21788284 - 06/10/15 01:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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koods said: Doobie... U in?
Slut contest? Sure why not how could I pass that up. I ain't fuckin' Crystal though I only sleep with humans.
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Cognitive_Shift said: Bullying in the male world is about weakness not so much as emotions. You don't want to look weak, don't act like a fucking pussy and cry in public... You don't want to look weak, learn how to throw a football ect ect. I was always good at sports so that gave me a free ride to not get bullied. Not looking weak or being a weirdo also helped.
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akira_akuma said: evolutionary differences play no response to roles in gender association.
are you retarded harvey levin? Lets not over complicate stuff. Men have a penis, girls have a vagina.
Do you know what gender means? Men have prostates & women have ovaries. no surgery is going to correct that. I dont care if a man wants to grow his hair and cut off his dick and grow boobs but you will never convince me that is normal..
Some have both. It's okay, the world needs a bit of weird. Also basic courses in biology.
sex, usually clearly visible: (fe)male/intersex Gender identity: the feeling of being (fe)male Gender expression: What you express in your emotional life but also how others perceive it. sexual orientation: your attraction/partnerchoice: hetero, gay, bi,
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Beanhead]
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I think it's worth mentioning that women actually do have prostates. it usually gets called the skene's gland but it is the same damn organ.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Beanhead]
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I just saw this thread just now. It's been a while since Ive been in the S&R section.
I could put my dick on the line that this thread is filled with ignorance and stupdity mix with a few good arguments and comments.
I'm happy for her. It just moved the gay/transgender movement into the 21st century
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Patlal]
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I hope so. I love the vanity covers.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: I just saw this thread just now. It's been a while since Ive been in the S&R section.
I could put my dick on the line that this thread is filled with ignorance and stupdity mix with a few good arguments and comments.
I'm happy for her. It just moved the gay/transgender movement into the 21st century
Surprisingly, it's mostly filled with good comments and posts. It caught me off guard a bit. You might want to take your dick back off the line before somebody takes it from you.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Mr.GuessWork]
#21788996 - 06/10/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wonder what he actually looks like? The vanity fair cover was 98.756% fake.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Beanhead] 1
#21826682 - 06/19/15 04:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL yall.
Im getting all these trans questions at work. and now I have to come out to people who didn't know I am trans. they thought I was some big WNBA looking chick. I don't go around touting it. I try to blend in with "normal" people the best I can so I can have a better quality of life. I had to have my face surgery and train my voice to perfection so that I could sit in a job interview as a woman and land a great job. Lets face it- even I don't want to see a girl who looks like a man in a dress. I wouldn't hire that person either!
It took 5 years of careful planning and hormone therapy to make sure I didn't end up a tranny hooker on the street because I couldn't cut it in the real business world as a woman. For those who are trans and have a manly looking face, dont even think about having your bottom surgery until you go to a plastic surgeon and get you face feminized!
Ive met a lot of transwomen who still kinda look AND sound like guys........ and had the bottom surgery.. soooo just because youre telling me you have a man made vagina.. Im supposed to call you a girl when you clearly look and sound like a dude?
I went into this with a big reality check! look and sound the part or FAIL! If youre going to have a mental disorder, fucking look like a million dollars while youre mentalling out on your disorder!L LOL.
I never forgot where I came from. I cant change my DNA and a life experience as a man. I just use my past man experience as a survival tool. If I have to man up and beat the shit out of someone.... I can bring it back fast. but I'm a lady, ladies have to be smarter, get thru shit staying pretty, and walk away with their heads high.
Being a girl is fucking hard work! My hats off to genetic girls!
you can keep the menstrual cycles.. HUGS!
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Edited by Macey Howard (06/19/15 04:11 AM)
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Macey Howard]
#21826694 - 06/19/15 04:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pics?
I couldnt cut it as a chick, too much maintenence..
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Amanita86]
#21826705 - 06/19/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its hard trying to cut it! It takes time!
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Macey Howard]
#21826717 - 06/19/15 04:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, you're your avatar
I cant even be bothered to shave half the time. I'd make a pretty rough chick. Id pretty much just look like a dude going as a woman on halloween.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Amanita86]
#21826727 - 06/19/15 04:45 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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if I posted my old man pics you all would fucking freak...!!!!!!!!
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Macey Howard]
#21826738 - 06/19/15 04:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm not saying any m features anymore but more power to you ;o (i'm just chickenshit when it comes to surgeries XD) and I don't know you ofc
Not that I actively look for that stuff ofc
but you pass so hard, hah..
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Beanhead]
#21828027 - 06/19/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have 2 more facial surgeries left. I'm chicken too! I hate burping up aesthesia after i wake up
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Macey Howard]
#21828069 - 06/19/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am thinking of getting a nosejob, but ultimately I would want to keep plastic surgeries to a minimum. I figure it would be great if my body can do all the work for itself (aside from the obvious genital switch) with the hormones. I have boobs and a booty OMG!!!! 
I actually posted a couple of my pics from before the hormones went to work on my face in the pics of pubbers thread. It freaked some people out. Amanita said his dick put in its two weeks notice. 
Macey, how have you handled the voice issue? Voice seems to be a huge thing stopping a lot of trans women from passing, it has at least as big an impact on how people read you as your appearance. I've been training my voice to go higher for months, been making progress but it takes a -TON- of time and effort on a daily basis.
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Edited by Sophistic Radiance (06/19/15 01:03 PM)
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21831945 - 06/20/15 10:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My voice is so fem now I've held a job as a phone sex operator. It didn't pay well so I only did it 6 mos. Many guys didn't even get nasty. They all bitched about their wives! I'll pm you my phone number and show you both male and female voices.
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Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21837518 - 06/21/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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BlindSophist said:
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Titus_Pullo said: I believe you are confusing the term sex and gender now.
I thought I was the one with pop-science understanding of sexuality?
Also, since the difference often lies between the body and the brain why are we treating these people with crude surgeries? Isn't the brain a much more malleable structure? Brain structure can change with drug use, traumatic experiences, etc. It seems much easier to change the brain than the body.
If the brain were so easy to change, we would not have so many stupid people in the world. Besides, conversion therapy as practiced is barbaric. If it worked it would amount to a form of personal mutilation, but far more often traumatizes its victims... haven't you heard of Leelah Alcorn?
I had not heard of her and looked her up. That story made me sick. Its so sad, I can't understand how a parent could do that to their child. Don't have kids if you're just going to keep them in a depressing prison and attempt to train them to have extremely closed minds.
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