|
qman
Stranger

Registered: 12/06/06
Posts: 34,927
Last seen: 7 minutes, 13 seconds
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21778483 - 06/08/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
This private school is marketing a safe place for transgender students. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/scholarship_for_gender_creativ.html
It's actually a good idea for children that would be picked on in a normal school.
|
Sophistic Radiance
Free sVs!


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
#21778504 - 06/08/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: I think you might be right to be concerned. I seem to recall that he (and I use "he" because she was Bruce then) was widely perceived to be a douche when he won the medal. It was a long time ago but I have a sick memory.
Douchiness is par for the course of embodying a personality you don't identify with at all, but I'm not going to go and make excuses for her unless I have some idea what specifically gave her that reputation. Sorry to hear about your memory.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
|
Sophistic Radiance
Free sVs!


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: qman]
#21778704 - 06/08/15 01:03 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
qman said: This private school is marketing a safe place for transgender students. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2015/06/scholarship_for_gender_creativ.html
It's actually a good idea for children that would be picked on in a normal school.
Yeah, school is pretty hard on gender nonconforming folks. The bullying leaves a mark that lasts a lifetime and then some. It would have been nice if my parents, or anybody I went to school with, had been clued in when I was struggling with this as a kid. I'd only ever get punished for it, by both the faculty and the other pupils. I doubt you'd find many ten year olds who are already so sexually repressed and confused as I was at that age.
What I'm really appreciating about this Caitlyn story is, I've seen a shitload of people suddenly getting on board with trans rights, beginning to develop an understanding of and sympathy for the challenges faced by the transgender community and actually talking about it. It's a remarkable change from just a few months ago when you'd be hard pressed to find people who weren't trans themselves or close to trans people giving a damn about any of this stuff. What's scary is that she still has the very real potential to completely blow it and make everybody hate us again.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
|
Beanhead
IS IRONIC PARADOX


Registered: 10/11/08
Posts: 17,257
Loc: Geospatial inversion.
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Macey Howard]
#21778784 - 06/08/15 01:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Macey Howard said: Man she looks great! Now people are coming to me asking me for "before" photos to see what I looked like prior to transitioning to female. Ive met some people that told me that it was gross and that she was sick in the head. One of these people asked me if I knew anyone who changed gender, after I didn't say anything they continued to bash. In both instances I didn't tell them I was trans, I let them have their opinion because its a free country.
A few days later I ran into one of the people and they could barely look me in the eyes. I just kept my cool and kept talking like I didn't know what was going on. They apologized and said they didn't know, blah blah blah, asked why I didn't tell them.
I asked them what they were talking about and they told me they learned I was trans. I said YEP and kept talking to them like it wasn't a big deal that they disapproved. I told them its a free country and who am I to tell you who to like and accept? Me being black, sometimes I know that some of us tend to overplay the black thing. Makes me sick "why can't there be a black Barbie, or a black Frozen". I'm like, if you want one, go make one lol!
Now I am getting asked questions about dating and how it all works and junk. I wonder who else is going to come out trans this year?
Time to start a betting pool! winner gets SPORES! Lets go!!!
Yes, I love the covers :3
Crystal Frasier, she's awesome
Edited by Beanhead (06/08/15 01:23 PM)
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21778799 - 06/08/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
BlindSophist said:
Quote:
zappaisgod said: I think you might be right to be concerned. I seem to recall that he (and I use "he" because she was Bruce then) was widely perceived to be a douche when he won the medal. It was a long time ago but I have a sick memory.
Douchiness is par for the course of embodying a personality you don't identify with at all, but I'm not going to go and make excuses for her unless I have some idea what specifically gave her that reputation. Sorry to hear about your memory.
By sick I meant it is awesome
--------------------
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,057
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 20 seconds
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#21778804 - 06/08/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Stop talking like that you're almost 60
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
Beanhead
IS IRONIC PARADOX


Registered: 10/11/08
Posts: 17,257
Loc: Geospatial inversion.
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#21778807 - 06/08/15 01:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Titus_Pullo said: Most mental illnesses and diseases have are underscored by a biological/physiological source. That does not mean it shouldn't be treated. Indulging in the delusions of transpeople is not treatment. As I said before all it does is set a precedent for people suffering from other mental illnesses to have their delusions indulged as well.
Androgyny Hermaphroditism Gynandrous/gynandromorphism Bilateral Chimera Intersex
Yeah... Couple that with intelligence humans possess, I perfectly understand the brain wants the body-image to be right. Especially when we grow up in binary sexuality due to social/cultural constructs.
Nature is cruel and very real rather then delusions.
Edited by Beanhead (06/08/15 01:32 PM)
|
Sophistic Radiance
Free sVs!


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
#21778811 - 06/08/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said:
Quote:
BlindSophist said:
Quote:
zappaisgod said: I think you might be right to be concerned. I seem to recall that he (and I use "he" because she was Bruce then) was widely perceived to be a douche when he won the medal. It was a long time ago but I have a sick memory.
Douchiness is par for the course of embodying a personality you don't identify with at all, but I'm not going to go and make excuses for her unless I have some idea what specifically gave her that reputation. Sorry to hear about your memory.
By sick I meant it is awesome
Awesome, so why was he (twitch) regarded as such a douche?
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
|
Beanhead
IS IRONIC PARADOX


Registered: 10/11/08
Posts: 17,257
Loc: Geospatial inversion.
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21778818 - 06/08/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Let me add butch lesbians and capricorns to that list also :3
Diversity is awesome.
Edited by Beanhead (06/08/15 01:31 PM)
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21778841 - 06/08/15 01:38 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
The fact that I remember I thought of him as a douche (and I have already explained why I use "him") at all is weird. He is the same self promoting cunt now that he was then. I tend not to like people like that. For instance, I loathe Donald Trump.
--------------------
|
Sophistic Radiance
Free sVs!


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: zappaisgod]
#21778854 - 06/08/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
zappaisgod said: The fact that I remember I thought of him as a douche (and I have already explained why I use "him") at all is weird. He is the same self promoting cunt now that he was then. I tend not to like people like that. For instance, I loathe Donald Trump.
Ah, I see. I understand that she really hasn't accomplished a thing of value since the decathlon, is rich and famous just because she milked that one accomplishment so skillfully throughout the proceeding decades. She's still doing that. During the Sawyer interview, Diane showed her a picture of him/her crossing the finish line and said "what do you see?" and he/she said, "I see a confused person, running from the truth". That fucking sent shivers up my spine and gave me goosebumps. But she is so fucking superficial and self-serving. But she's just like me and so inspiring! Argh. Like I said, kicking and screaming. I feel exploited and represented at the same time.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,057
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 20 seconds
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 2
#21778871 - 06/08/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
No. He married into a family of attention whores and became famous again... Like "oh, I remember that dude. Didn't he do something once." And now she has learned the tricks of the trade and is branching off to become her own attention whore.
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
Sophistic Radiance
Free sVs!


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21778883 - 06/08/15 01:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: No. He married into a family of attention whores and became famous again... Like "oh, I remember that dude. Didn't he do something once." And now she has learned the tricks of the trade and is branching off to become her own attention whore.
Right, but you don't marry into a family of attention whores without having some sort of status in the first place. Attention whores aren't gonna go and marry somebody who doesn't reinforce their ego in some way.
I read an article the other day that said she is now probably worth more than the Kardashian family. This is what I mean, she's like a black widow, she's going to eat them alive and use them as so much raw fiber to weave her own web. It's disturbing as fuck. And also awesome. I feel so dirty. This is seriously the first time I begin to understand why people get so invested in celebrity culture in spite of themselves.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
|
Titus_Pullo


Registered: 01/23/10
Posts: 461
Last seen: 7 years, 11 months
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#21779368 - 06/08/15 03:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
It's your choice to take my words personally. Also gender identity disorder and gender disphoria are synonymous. The only reason you don't believe you're mentally ill is because you're mentally ill. Crazy people often don't know they are crazy. I am not sure what the best treatment is but I think forcing your body to fit whatever delusion you may have is like pushing a reaction way out if equilibrium. It's too high energy to maintain and I believe this is why. The majority of transpeople commit suicide. It shows that the current method of treatment is not suitable. Believe it or not I have compassion and I wouldn't want anyone to kill themselves which is why I think alternate treatments need to be explored instead of catering to it and performing surgeries and then walking away. These people deserve to be happy but I don't think the current treatment improves the lives of transpeople.
|
zappaisgod
horrid asshole


Registered: 02/11/04
Posts: 81,741
Loc: Fractallife's gym
Last seen: 7 years, 7 months
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo] 2
#21779451 - 06/08/15 03:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
I don't believe she is mentally ill and I'm as sane as they come. I think you are, though, Fred Phelps. I do not know what the best treatment for you is. Electroshock? Castration? I don't really know
"The majority of trans people commit suicide?" You are a liar.
They are not happy because of nitwits who impose a cultural doctrine on them. They are accepted in Thailand because there aren't intolerant assholes there regarding this issue (they are plenty intolerant about a lot of other shit). It is a cultural problem for them imposed by ignorant assholes. Guess what I think you are.
--------------------
|
Crystal G



Registered: 06/05/07
Posts: 19,584
Loc: outer space
Last seen: 8 months, 6 days
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Titus_Pullo] 3
#21779493 - 06/08/15 04:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Titus_Pullo said: It's a pretty bad reflection on society when the media deems it appropriate to indulge in the delusions of people with a severe mental illness. Why is it not appropriate to praise the delusions of schizophrenics? Why don't we give steroids to young males with body dysmorphia? I think the political correctness surrounding transgenders is setting a precedent for the future treatment of other mental illnesses. And it's not a good precedent.
I think the difference though, is that even if you gave steroids to people who were body dysmorphic and they became huge, they would always see themselves as tiny. No matter how big they get, it is never enough.
Same with anorexics. No matter how skinny they get, it's never enough. That's why you have girls who are 50-lb toothpicks who still view themselves as obese and only eat an apple every 3 days, and some end up dying from starvation because of it.
There is a saying in bodybuilding: "The day you started lifting is the day you became forever small."
I bet you anything all those 250lb and 300lb guys who compete in Mr Olympia are up their on the stage, and they're secretly thinking, "Man I need to work on my quads, my traps are so fucking tiny. WHY AM I SO TINY I JUST WANNA KILL MYSELF!!!" They probably look in the mirror and see a pre-pubescent Justin Bieber body.
Whereas, if you do gender conversion therapy on somebody who wants to be TG, they see themselves as complete once all the operations are finished.
Edited by Crystal G (06/08/15 04:50 PM)
|
Sophistic Radiance
Free sVs!


Registered: 07/11/06
Posts: 43,135
Loc: Center of the Universe
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Crystal G] 3
#21779504 - 06/08/15 04:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
I fucking love both of you guys.
-------------------- Enlil said: You really are the worst kind of person.
|
vandago



Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 20,917
Loc: .
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: Sophistic Radiance] 1
#21779533 - 06/08/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
For weeks I thought they were talking about bruce banner, and I was making a bunch of shitty hulk sex change jokes.
I looked pretty stupid at the bar the other night when I was telling them.
|
koods
Ribbit



Registered: 05/26/11
Posts: 106,057
Loc: Maryland/DC Burbs
Last seen: 6 minutes, 20 seconds
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: vandago]
#21779574 - 06/08/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Did you walk away alone and rejected, all your belongings strapped to your back, with sad music playing in the background?
--------------------
NotSheekle said “if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”
|
vandago



Registered: 07/07/04
Posts: 20,917
Loc: .
|
Re: Caitlyn Jenner..... everybody is coming out these days! [Re: koods]
#21779580 - 06/08/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
koods said: Did you walk away alone and rejected, all your belongings strapped to your back, with sad music playing in the background?
I looked back a couple times.
|
|